Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

KevRossi · 05-01-2021 06:32PM

FlawedGenius wrote: »

I think Liverpool need a striker aswell. Origi isn’t good enough. Baffled me when Liverpool got rid of Ings, who is a lot better than Origi, and could and should have played a lot more at Liverpool. Pool also sold on Brewster. It was always said that if Liverpool last season

Ings joined in summer 2015 and spent most of the next two seasons out of action. By the time he got back in late 2017 we had the Firminio/Salah/Mane axis that was firing on all cylinders. There was no way he was getting a regular starting spot with them ahead of him, I got the impression he asked to leave as he was getting no game time, but I'm not entirely sure on that.

Great player, great attitude, just was with us at the worst possible time in his career.

EDIT: Yeah, he wanted out and Klopp wanted him to stay. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/danny-ings-interview-at-liverpool-i-would-go-home-sit-with-my-dogs-and-feel-upset-i-moved-to-southampton-to-be-happy-tc2d89g8p

Osmosis Jones · 05-01-2021 06:36PM

The absolute most important trait for a backup player to have is availability, there's no point having someone on the bench for in case one of the front 3 get injured, only for the backup to be injured too.

.G. · 05-01-2021 06:36PM

Liverpool and City both have way more touches in the box compared to United since Ole came in. This spiel about them getting it into the box more is rubbish, and proven to be so. Liverpool alone had over 400 more penalty box touches in that time.

Ditto for the fast tricky dribblers spiel. Liverpool have 6 players in the top 100 of dribbles attempted per 90. United have 5.

They get decisions no other top team gets, not just Liverpool. I find it mad fans of other clubs choose to jump on Klopp for highlighting it when its detrimental to their own clubs just as much.

I don't care how may pens United get I just want the ones Liverpool should get to actually be given.

Fitz* · 05-01-2021 06:43PM

It's not the number of penalties given, it's the manner of them.

What gets given one week for Man Utd (Pogba) is not being given the following week for Chelsea (Werner?) or Liverpool (Mane).

BorneTobyWilde · 05-01-2021 06:53PM

x43r0 wrote: »

His passing was miles above the rest of our players. Surely you could see that?

Aside lack of match fitness though, he was clearly marked out of parts of the game. You could see a box of 4 players closing the space around him when it looked like there might be a pass going to him

Gave away the sloppy freekick that they scored from, picked up a yellow from a bad tackle, another bad tackle early in second half, should have been off, ref let it slide. But yea, he's total class, it was just hard to show it last night.

BorneTobyWilde · 05-01-2021 06:56PM

Fitz* wrote: »

It's not the number of penalties given, it's the manner of them.

What gets given one week for Man Utd (Pogba) is not being given the following week for Chelsea (Werner?) or Liverpool (Mane).

Officials can be got at, both financially and mentally. VAR looks compromised if you look at what one team is getting , compared to the rest.

BorneTobyWilde · 05-01-2021 07:03PM

If United win game in hand and beat us we'll be 6 points behind them, and also possibly in 5th with other teams winning, Leicester, City, Spurs/
United then play again before us, win that and gap to them will be 9pts .

Shanotheslayer · 05-01-2021 07:06PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Officials can be got at, both financially and mentally. VAR looks compromised if you look at what one team is getting , compared to the rest.

That some crazy speculation Toby.

Financially? I'm all ears to hear your theory on this

Blanco100 · 05-01-2021 07:07PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Henderson was a loss in midfield, really needed him in there, bad enough losing FAb in there, without losing Henderson. Ox was poor replacement .
We have fit CBs, use them.

70% possession, 17 shots, 10 corners,

Ask anyone the question ''who won that game'' who didn't know the result and they'd say the team with those stats. It was the same at Newcastle, all Liverpool.

Not a lot is wrong, that's for sure.

70% possession, 17 shots, 10 corners,

With one shot on target.

For 3 consecutive games we have failed to trouble the goal of mediocre opponents despite having most of the ball.

fyfe79 · 05-01-2021 07:08PM

.G. wrote: »

Liverpool and City both have way more touches in the box compared to United since Ole came in. This spiel about them getting it into the box more is rubbish, and proven to be so. Liverpool alone had over 400 more penalty box touches in that time.

Ditto for the fast tricky dribblers spiel. Liverpool have 6 players in the top 100 of dribbles attempted per 90. United have 5.

They get decisions no other top team gets, not just Liverpool. I find it mad fans of other clubs choose to jump on Klopp for highlighting it when its detrimental to their own clubs just as much.

I don't care how may pens United get I just want the ones Liverpool should get to actually be given.

Standard at this stage. Just like "Liverpool had VAR in its back pocket last season, what comes around goes around" nonsense. Last season Liverpool had+2 in terms of favourable VAR decisions whereas Utd had +7.

It's just easy and bantertastic to have a pop at Liverpool when the facts don't back it up at all.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/3929823/how-var-decisions-have-affected-every-premier-league-club

.G. · 05-01-2021 07:08PM

I do wonder if the refs actually hate Klopp

, he gives them absolute pelters from the sideline every single game, especially when they have to do fourth official. The club also wanted answers from PGMOL over the Everton game, don't think I've ever heard of something like that before.

I genuinely don't think there is conscious negative bias towards us from the refs, unconscious is very possible though!

Ultimately its up to us to start playing well again and take games out of the fine margins an official can affect and we will. Not even half way point in the season, we haven't had a real slump in the league for two years or so, so we've been well spoiled. Add to that the top half of the league is so closely packed together that any run of wins immediately puts you back in contention so I'm still very upbeat about the season on the whole.

Just need to end the slump ASAP!

Utopia Parkway · 05-01-2021 07:14PM

FlawedGenius wrote: »

I think Liverpool need a striker aswell. Origi isn’t good enough. Baffled me when Liverpool got rid of Ings, who is a lot better than Origi, and could and should have played a lot more at Liverpool. Pool also sold on Brewster. It was always said that if Liverpool last season aswell ever got a few injuries to a few key players in the spine of the team, that they’d struggle as no strength in depth. United on the other hand are flying, have so many attacking options, but also a fragile central defense, the whole back line actually apart from Telles.
But United are great at beating the mid to lower teams, flat track bully’s if u will.

Anyway if I was a Liverpool fan, I’d be very very worried, not just of United but City. Klopp has gotten abit Bentizesq and cringe lately with his whinging about not getting the decisions, Liverpool last season got so a fair few debetable penalties, and last minute winners (Everton). United get more because they get the ball into the box more and have players with tricky feet and pace that if clipped they’ll go down. Klopp said United’s just another game, he knows full well it’s not and instead of saying yes it’s a big game and we want to win it, we are looking forward to it, but no, he knows he’s in trouble.

A very exciting time ahead. Imagine if United win the league on front of fans, because of the vaccine u would surely think at the very least a decent amount of fans will be allowed attend come May.

Exciting times ahead indeed!

Some amount of guff there.

Ottoman_1000 · 05-01-2021 07:17PM

.G. wrote: »

I do wonder if the refs actually hate Klopp , he gives them absolute pelters from the sideline every single game, especially when they have to do fourth official. The club also wanted answers from PGMOL over the Everton game, don't think I've ever heard of something like that before.

I genuinely don't think there is conscious negative bias towards us from the refs, unconscious is very possible though!

Ultimately its up to us to start playing well again and take games out of the fine margins an official can affect and we will. Not even half way point in the season, we haven't had a real slump in the league for two years or so, so we've been well spoiled. Add to that the top half of the league is so closely packed together that any run of wins immediately puts you back in contention so I'm still very upbeat about the season on the whole.

Just need to end the slump ASAP!

This is it, regardless of the referring decision they should be putting 3/4 past the like of Brighton, West Brom, Fulham and Newcastle to take the doubt out if it. A combined 3 goals scored against those 4 teams is not even the form of a top 4 side let alone wannabe champions...West Brom have conceded 9 goals in the 2 games they have played since Liverpool for gods sake...

giveitholly · 05-01-2021 07:19PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Some amount of guff there.

Username checks out

mightyreds · 05-01-2021 07:22PM

KevRossi wrote: »

Ings joined in summer 2015 and spent most of the next two seasons out of action. By the time he got back in late 2017 we had the Firminio/Salah/Mane axis that was firing on all cylinders. There was no way he was getting a regular starting spot with them ahead of him, I got the impression he asked to leave as he was getting no game time, but I'm not entirely sure on that.

Great player, great attitude, just was with us at the worst possible time in his career.

EDIT: Yeah, he wanted out and Klopp wanted him to stay. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/danny-ings-interview-at-liverpool-i-would-go-home-sit-with-my-dogs-and-feel-upset-i-moved-to-southampton-to-be-happy-tc2d89g8p

Also the year before he went on loan I was over at Anfield for Brighton near seasons end, Ings came on in the game and he looked like he was running on ice, injury's looked like they really had killed his career( and probably should have) , he went out on loan next season and Origi scores in a champions league final.

If hindsight was foresight and all...

Osmosis Jones · 05-01-2021 07:25PM

Ings also spent half of his first year at Southampton injured

Ottoman_1000 · 05-01-2021 07:25PM

FlawedGenius wrote: »

I think Liverpool need a striker aswell. Origi isn’t good enough. Baffled me when Liverpool got rid of Ings, who is a lot better than Origi, and could and should have played a lot more at Liverpool. Pool also sold on Brewster. It was always said that if Liverpool last season aswell ever got a few injuries to a few key players in the spine of the team, that they’d struggle as no strength in depth. United on the other hand are flying, have so many attacking options, but also a fragile central defense, the whole back line actually apart from Telles.
But United are great at beating the mid to lower teams, flat track bully’s if u will.

Anyway if I was a Liverpool fan, I’d be very very worried, not just of United but City. Klopp has gotten abit Bentizesq and cringe lately with his whinging about not getting the decisions, Liverpool last season got so a fair few debetable penalties, and last minute winners (Everton). United get more because they get the ball into the box more and have players with tricky feet and pace that if clipped they’ll go down. Klopp said United’s just another game, he knows full well it’s not and instead of saying yes it’s a big game and we want to win it, we are looking forward to it, but no, he knows he’s in trouble.

A very exciting time ahead. Imagine if United win the league on front of fans, because of the vaccine u would surely think at the very least a decent amount of fans will be allowed attend come May.

Exciting times ahead indeed!

you actually think this UTD side will win the league??? what ever about finishing ahead of Liverpool, they wont finish within 10 points of City and that is the facts of it...

.G. · 05-01-2021 07:26PM

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

This is it, regardless of the referring decision they should be putting 3/4 past the like of Brighton, West Brom, Fulham and Newcastle to take the doubt out if it. A combined 3 goals scored against those 4 teams is not even the form of a top 4 side let alone wannabe champions...West Brom have conceded 9 goals in the 2 games they have played since Liverpool for gods sake...

I read today something about our xG, don't have the exact numbers but it was something like 2.4 for Palace, 7 goals, our combined xG for the recent draws and Southampton defeat, over 4 yet only 1 goal!

The slump in our confidence after the Palace game is really weird. We should have been purring having walloped them and beat Spurs in the best way possible yet we went to absolute sh!te because we didn't increase our lead as we should have done in that first half against West Brom.

Ottoman_1000 · 05-01-2021 07:29PM

.G. wrote: »

I read today something about our xG, don't have the exact numbers but it was something like 2.4 for Palace, 7 goals, our combined xG for the recent draws and Southampton defeat, over 4 yet only 1 goal!

The slump in our confidence after the Palace game is really weird. We should have been purring having walloped them and beat Spurs in the best way possible yet we went to absolute sh!te because we didn't increase our lead as we should have done in that first half against West Brom.

That's the most difficult bit about their current form to understand. Last minute winner against Spurs and then wallop Palace to go top at Christmas you would think the would be buzzing for the cannon fodder that followed after Christmas, but the drop off has been alarming...

KevRossi · 05-01-2021 07:30PM

The decline set in after the COVID break. There was something amiss there. Klopp was mad out for the 101 points record, but the lads were a bit too laid back, especially in the Burnley game.

The other issue is that teams have found out that we can't beat a 5-5-0 or 5-4-1 formation if it stays tight and within 30m of their own goal. They're quite happy to get a point from the best team over the past 2 years and they don't care how they play to get it. It's a bonus point that they're not expecting. Stick in a fast forward and they have the chance of a quick counter. Pretty basic stuff.

West Germany, and to an extent Germany in the early 90's had a tactic to counter that. They'd play the ball around the back 5 (4 backs plus a Libero) and very slowly move backwards, dragging the opposition apart and stretching them, slowing the ball right down. They'd then hit them on the attack and always had decent strikers to have a shot; Voller, Klinsmann, Rummenigge. We need something like this, we have the players in Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago who can control tempo and pace, so maybe something like this is an option.

Klopp needs to devise something else to counter this. Someone in the past day put up a good synopsis of it; we are playing more cautiously than the days of 'heavy metal football'. In reality we can only expect teams to stretch themselves agaiinst us if they are a top 6-8 team and are playing at home. All other teams, including Man Utd can sit back and watch us tikka-takka the ball into the box and score nothing.

Forget the refs, if they're giving us nothing then that's that. I agree that Klopp shouting at them permanently isn't helping, in fact it's detrimental. He needs to button up more often and choose a gameplan to counter the tactic that the other managers have chosen to use on us.

~Rebel~ · 05-01-2021 07:45PM

the kelt wrote: »

I actually agree with ye in regards to shaq.

But it isn’t a case of Mina or Shaq blasting their way into the starting 11 or anything of the sort.

But throw them on and see can they bring something different when what’s on the pitch isn’t working offensively.

West Brom game saw us bring ox on 83 and origi in injury time

Newcastle shaqiri brought on 2 minutes into injury time

Last night shaq on 80 mins and no one else.

It’s not a case of giving offensive players minutes for the sake of it, it’s trying something different because what’s on the pitch isn’t working.

Yeah, would agree with that - though Shaq came on last night on 57 minutes, and Milner came on at 77. The Shaq move last night was what I'd like to see more of, and thought we improved immediately. He got involved far more than Ox had.

It's still all about CB though. Need better options there to free up our best midfielders to play in midfield.

Was thinking Ajer from Celtic might be a good option to go get. Very good player with a high ceiling, only 22, and Celtic's season is basically over now. Skip the Southampton middleman and go straight to the VVD source!

yourdeadwright wrote: »

This sounds crazy but is Costa fit ?
Surely he'd be worth a punt for 6 months , especially since teams are camping in there own 6 yard box against us ,
He cant be any worse than Origi or Taki

Nah, no interest in him. Doesn't score goals anymore, has lost his mobility and burst of pace, and is very injury prone. He's a very old 32. And for all that he'd want a lot of money.

I think he's barred from joining a Champions League rival for this season anyway, so I think it's off the table.

.red. · 05-01-2021 07:53PM

Jeez lads, the last few pages here are like something from Blue Moon.
We've been sh1te the last 3 games, especially in front of goal. That's why we've gotten 2 points from 9, not because of anything untoward.

Osmosis Jones · 05-01-2021 08:03PM

.red. wrote: »

Jeez lads, the last few pages here are like something from Blue Moon.
We've been sh1te the last 3 games, especially in front of goal. That's why we've gotten 2 points from 9, not because of anything untoward.

How many times does it need to be said that 2 things can both be true? Nobody saying the refs have been poor also believes that we've played well, we've been shíte but that doesn't excuse some extremely bad refereeing.

.red. · 05-01-2021 08:06PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

How many times does it need to be said that 2 things can both be true? Nobody saying the refs have been poor also believes that we've played well, we've been shíte but that doesn't excuse some extremely bad refereeing.

Personally I didnt think either shout last night was a penalty. The Mane one against Newcastle should have been tho.
There's been talk of back handers here for penalties. It's real blue moon stuff.

Osmosis Jones · 05-01-2021 08:07PM

.red. wrote: »

There's been talk of back handers here for penalties. It's real blue moon stuff.

Literally only coming from Toby though, and if you've ever spent more than two minutes in this thread you know better than to register a single thing he says

Osmosis Jones · 05-01-2021 08:12PM

Wasn't gonna bother with this but it's still pissing me off and I need the closure so whatever, here we go

Nothing called here

Or here

And here's the foul that Southampton got their goalscoring free kick from:

Okay I'm done, that's my say on the matter, just had to get it out of my system, hopefully I'll be posting gifs of the young lads scoring goals this weekend

.red. · 05-01-2021 08:13PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Literally only coming from Toby though, and if you've ever spent more than two minutes in this thread you know better than to register a single thing he says

Yes I should have known better coming from Toby.
I see the clowns are back thanking posts again now we've conceded the league to Utd.
There's only one team I fear in the league and that's City. They've been very efficient the last 4/5 weeks and seem to have gone under the radar a little.

yourdeadwright · 05-01-2021 08:22PM

KevRossi wrote: »

The decline set in after the COVID break. There was something amiss there. Klopp was mad out for the 101 points record, but the lads were a bit too laid back, especially in the Burnley game.

The other issue is that teams have found out that we can't beat a 5-5-0 or 5-4-1 formation if it stays tight and within 30m of their own goal. They're quite happy to get a point from the best team over the past 2 years and they don't care how they play to get it. It's a bonus point that they're not expecting. Stick in a fast forward and they have the chance of a quick counter. Pretty basic stuff.

West Germany, and to an extent Germany in the early 90's had a tactic to counter that. They'd play the ball around the back 5 (4 backs plus a Libero) and very slowly move backwards, dragging the opposition apart and stretching them, slowing the ball right down. They'd then hit them on the attack and always had decent strikers to have a shot; Voller, Klinsmann, Rummenigge. We need something like this, we have the players in Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago who can control tempo and pace, so maybe something like this is an option.

Klopp needs to devise something else to counter this. Someone in the past day put up a good synopsis of it; we are playing more cautiously than the days of 'heavy metal football'. In reality we can only expect teams to stretch themselves agaiinst us if they are a top 6-8 team and are playing at home. All other teams, including Man Utd can sit back and watch us tikka-takka the ball into the box and score nothing.

Forget the refs, if they're giving us nothing then that's that. I agree that Klopp shouting at them permanently isn't helping, in fact it's detrimental. He needs to button up more often and choose a gameplan to counter the tactic that the other managers have chosen to use on us.

A huge help would to have a proper number 9
Cryingn out for years for a proper CF as an alternative to Firmino, Jota been great but he's a alternative to one of the wingers we need a proper CF for when we are peppering the box with crosses and attacks

yourdeadwright · 05-01-2021 08:24PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Wasn't gonna bother with this but it's still pissing me off and I need the closure so whatever, here we go

Nothing called here

Or here

Or here

Or here

Or here

And here's the foul that Southampton got their goalscoring free kick from:

Okay I'm done, that's my say on the matter, just had to get it out of my system, hopefully I'll be posting gifs of the young lads scoring goals this weekend [/QUOTE

The second foul on Mane where he bear hugs him is a penalty as both of them have there feet on the line which counts as in the box, Var never even m checked it

FlawedGenius · 05-01-2021 08:26PM

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

you actually think this UTD side will win the league??? what ever about finishing ahead of Liverpool, they wont finish within 10 points of City and that is the facts of it...

How can u say that?? United are going along nicely, beating the likes of wolves and Aston villa lately, and even when things were bad United always beat the mid to lower half of table teams. They win there game in hand against Burnley which you’d fancy them too, there 3 points ahead. Say a draw against Liverpool. And they maintain there 3 point lead, but Liverpool have to win three games against the Nicky mouse teams, which there really struggling o do at the moment.. United have a great chance,. it’s the year of Covid, Liverpool ravaged by injuries, stranger things have happened. Winning is a habit and they were are getting late goals while not playing well and still winning, abit like Liverpool, sign of Champions to be. Last year United wud or drawn or even lost that game to Wolves 10 days ago we if it was last season.

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