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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #8762
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Danzy wrote: »
    We are definitely on the way out of this pandemic but the toughest time looks like the next 6 weeks.

    Eh?

    How can you say we are on the way out of this pandemic?


  • #8763
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Only about 60 short of the peak on April 15th, basically back to April atm.

    Hopefully avoid the nursing homes this time.


  • #8764
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    titan18 wrote: »
    Ya, the numbers are stupid. I'm assuming it's 74 people admitted cos of covid but the 817 could be made up of people admitted cos of covid, admitted with something else and then tested as a precaution and found to have covid and people who caught it by being next to someone in the hospital who had it (a and e, wards etc)

    Being admitted is your new into hospital so I'm just assuming here that the rest are already admitted and are hospital acquired infection, could be wrong though & wide of the mark. I gave up trying to understand the numbers a while ago.


  • #8765
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    titan18 wrote: »
    Ya, the numbers are stupid. I'm assuming it's 74 people admitted cos of covid but the 817 could be made up of people admitted cos of covid, admitted with something else and then tested as a precaution and found to have covid and people who caught it by being next to someone in the hospital who had it (a and e, wards etc)

    Not likely to be the case for the majority of cases given the positivity rate in the community. Numbers are needed when hospitals are almost at full capacity.


    https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1346194182470307845


  • #8766
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).

    By Government guidelines people were allowed to go shopping and go to restaurants. They were allowed visit family and have visitors in their home......again by Government guidelines. So anyone who did any the above was wrong???? In that case the messaging was SEVERELY WRONG and that is on the Government! People were denied the most ordinary pleasures in life for most of last year.
    If our Government said we could see family and have a meal out or go Christmas shopping for 2 weeks then why is anyone surprised that people did that.
    Why is the general public being demonized again and again and again?

    We were locked up for 5 months last year when most of Europe was open. The restrictions never stopped, and more so if you live in Dublin. No wonder people enjoyed their Christmas and they did so within the guidelines of our Government.

    So less demonizing and finger pointing. Its called living a tiny bit of your life, having a tiny bit of hope, its called being human.

    Restaurants opened on the 4th I think and just cos the government allows something doesn't mean you have to do it. Im aware of plenty of people who took the piss. One person I know must have been 15 times in the few weeks they were open and was hopping from bar to bar with the 1 hour 45 minutes thing. Saw a group of people spend nearly 900 euro on a night out (8 at the table and that was definitely over 1 hour 45 mins).


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  • #8767
    howiya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).

    By Government guidelines people were allowed to go shopping and go to restaurants. They were allowed visit family and have visitors in their home......again by Government guidelines. So anyone who did any the above was wrong???? In that case the messaging was SEVERELY WRONG and that is on the Government! People were denied the most ordinary pleasures in life for most of last year.
    If our Government said we could see family and have a meal out or go Christmas shopping for 2 weeks then why is anyone surprised that people did that.
    Why is the general public being demonized again and again and again?

    We were locked up for 5 months last year when most of Europe was open. The restrictions never stopped, and more so if you live in Dublin. No wonder people enjoyed their Christmas and they did so within the guidelines of our Government.

    So less demonizing and finger pointing. Its called living a tiny bit of your life, having a tiny bit of hope, its called being human.

    Gastropubs/restaurants opened on 4 December and closed 24 December so roughly three weeks


  • #8768
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).
    The restaurants opened on December the 4th along with gastropubs. I was in a restaurant a week later and I didn't break in. The 18th was for household visits only.


  • #8769
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1346386380528766976?s=19


  • #8770
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh?

    How can you say we are on the way out of this pandemic?

    Well cant get any worse, what ever is seeded by now is as bad as it will get as back to L5 restrictions.


  • #8771
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh?

    How can you say we are on the way out of this pandemic?

    its called being positive, being balanced, looking at the surge we are in but also looking at the positives of 3 different vaccines being rolled out ,along with weather improving by March. Think positive, to hope and to have faith is to be human. :)


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  • #8772
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    *WARNING*

    Controversial ideas follow...

    So, I was watching Sky News two nights ago and the author and commentator Peter Hitchins was part of "The Papars" panel from 11:30 to midnight.
    Hitchins took me by surprise by stating that Corona Virus was not half as bad as we're led to believe, that most people won't get that sick and that the whole media response is hysteria!

    Mr Hitchins also said the hospitals usually fill up this time of year anyway, so no change there. While he admitted that the virus exists, he basically thought the whole thing is an overblown storm in s teacup!

    Weird, strange, odd & confusing when you hear such learned & public figure speak out against the tide :cool:

    Not sure if he's a loan figure in such circles?
    Obviously there are conspiracy theorists and virus deniers by the bucket load, but I think Hitchins ideas fall into another category which is somewhere between virus denial & total media -ed Immersion.

    I like to hear counter arguments. Otherwise you are left with groupthink and hysteria.
    Did he suggest that the virus would dissipate naturally at the end of the for-want-of-a-better-word 'flu season'?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #8773
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just like the increase took alot be surprise, the drop will also

    Yeah, it's a mix of January being very quiet, people being genuinely scared now so stricter and the people who didn't care will have quite a few of them infected by months end and be immune.


  • #8774
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1346386380528766976?s=19

    Things are pretty serious when Norma Foley is involved :rolleyes:


  • #8775
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Last nights HSE Operations report

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-04-january-2021.pdf


  • #8776
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    817 now inHospital.

    Were up a creek lads


  • #8777
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    *WARNING*

    Controversial ideas follow...

    So, I was watching Sky News two nights ago and the author and commentator Peter Hitchins was part of "The Papars" panel from 11:30 to midnight.
    Hitchins took me by surprise by stating that Corona Virus was not half as bad as we're led to believe, that most people won't get that sick and that the whole media response is hysteria!

    Mr Hitchins also said the hospitals usually fill up this time of year anyway, so no change there. While he admitted that the virus exists, he basically thought the whole thing is an overblown storm in s teacup!

    Weird, strange, odd & confusing when you hear such learned & public figure speak out against the tide :cool:

    Not sure if he's a loan figure in such circles?
    Obviously there are conspiracy theorists and virus deniers by the bucket load, but I think Hitchins ideas fall into another category which is somewhere between virus denial & total media -ed Immersion.

    The less intelligent Hitchens brother falls into the conservative "they are saying it so it must not be true because it inconveniences me" brigade. Would have being interesting to see what his brother would have had to say on the subject given that he would have been infinitely more likely to inform himself of the facts before making a "face nappy" proclamation as Peter did. He may have reached the same viewpoint but it would have been from a position of having informed himself, and therefore infinitely more difficult to refute that these never ending lines of new Torys


  • #8778
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).

    By Government guidelines people were allowed to go shopping and go to restaurants. They were allowed visit family and have visitors in their home......again by Government guidelines. So anyone who did any the above was wrong???? In that case the messaging was SEVERELY WRONG and that is on the Government! People were denied the most ordinary pleasures in life for most of last year.
    If our Government said we could see family and have a meal out or go Christmas shopping for 2 weeks then why is anyone surprised that people did that.
    Why is the general public being demonized again and again and again?

    We were locked up for 5 months last year when most of Europe was open. The restrictions never stopped, and more so if you live in Dublin. No wonder people enjoyed their Christmas and they did so within the guidelines of our Government.

    So less demonizing and finger pointing. Its called living a tiny bit of your life, having a tiny bit of hope, its called being human.

    Bemused that you got all of this out of a single sentence. You seem to be doing your own bit of misplaced finger pointing and ranting here. I am giving my observations on it and it is what people have been doing. Explaining where this came from is not judgement, demonizing nor wilful ignorance of human nature, it's just an explanation. FWIW I fully supported the decision and the inevitable restrictions of January and have said so many times.


  • #8779
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I like to hear counter arguments. Otherwise you are left with groupthink and hysteria.
    Did he suggest that the virus would dissipate naturally at the end of the for-want-of-a-better-word 'flu season'?

    Its good to hear well researched and evidence based arguments.

    Not boll*xology from a contrarian on Sky News.


  • #8780
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I dont know if I should post this. Awful

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210104-egypt-entire-icu-ward-dies-after-oxygen-supply-fails/


  • #8781
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Its good to hear well researched and evidence based arguments.

    Not boll*xology from a contrarian on Sky News.

    Yeah I mean peter Hitchens may be on the tele but he’s a million miles from his area of expertise. So not a public health expert. I guess he is not in support of the lockdown in the UK as his social life will be massively constrained and is engaging in cognitive dissonance to justify it.
    Peter Jonathan Hitchens is an English journalist and author. Hitchens writes for The Mail on Sunday and is a former foreign correspondent in Moscow and Washington. He has contributed to The Spectator, The American Conservative, The Guardian, First Things, Prospect, and the New Statesman.


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  • #8782
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Only about 60 short of the peak on April 15th, basically back to April atm.

    Hopefully avoid the nursing homes this time.
    Coming from a higher base to be fair. In April we started from zero. This time around we started with 200 covid patients in hospital.

    Scant comfort, we'll get there in no time. But worth noting.


  • #8783
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    *WARNING*

    Controversial ideas follow...

    So, I was watching Sky News two nights ago and the author and commentator Peter Hitchins was part of "The Papars" panel from 11:30 to midnight.
    Hitchins took me by surprise by stating that Corona Virus was not half as bad as we're led to believe, that most people won't get that sick and that the whole media response is hysteria!

    Mr Hitchins also said the hospitals usually fill up this time of year anyway, so no change there. While he admitted that the virus exists, he basically thought the whole thing is an overblown storm in s teacup!

    Weird, strange, odd & confusing when you hear such learned & public figure speak out against the tide :cool:

    Not sure if he's a loan figure in such circles?
    Obviously there are conspiracy theorists and virus deniers by the bucket load, but I think Hitchins ideas fall into another category which is somewhere between virus denial & total media -ed Immersion.

    This line of reasoning has been around since the early days. There is hysteria about it in the media but the media loves hysteria anyway. It sells more (bad) news.

    If it's just bald statistics on deaths COVID is not alarming. Where it really causes problems is the risk to collapsing health systems by sheer numbers. As we know that is not just the COVID sick and it has a very widespread effect on all forms of healthcare.

    I am assuming, like many of those drawn to the low IFR and so on, he has no solution. That's of no benefit to anyone except his ego.


  • #8784
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fits wrote: »
    I dont know if I should post this. Awful

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210104-egypt-entire-icu-ward-dies-after-oxygen-supply-fails/

    The article is more about corruption and negligence but I’m sure you’ll get the effect you desire.


  • #8785
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,509 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    its called being positive, being balanced, looking at the surge we are in but also looking at the positives of 3 different vaccines being rolled out ,along with weather improving by March. Think positive, to hope and to have faith is to be human. :)

    I'm sure you said the same in July and October and November... I'll the back in during February to see how you are doing.

    Btw, the weather doesn't do squat, look at Brazil where is currently summer.


  • #8786
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    seamus wrote: »
    Coming from a higher base to be fair. In April we started from zero. This time around we started with 200 covid patients in hospital.

    Scant comfort, we'll get there in no time. But worth noting.

    On the assumption that cases will start to decline as the lockdown kicks in do you expect the peak in 2 weeks or so?

    I presume also that recovering patients can probably be moved to the private hospitals so as to free up capacity.


  • #8787
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I heard yesterday that during the first lockdown Cavan General had a ward prepared for Covid patients, but at some point since converted it back to a normal ward, they are now in the process of turning it back again to a Covid ward. What's the big deal you ask? It's building contractors now being int there a third time doing this so it must not be a simple case of moving a few beds around? If this i true, what a waste of money, couldn't it have been left like it was for this winter at least. Is there anyone working in the hospital that can verify this?


  • #8788
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Does anyone know the vaccination targets over the coming months? All I can find is 40,000 a week - but that seems to me to be far too slow (particularly if it halves when giving 2nd doses). It would take a couple of years to get through everyone?


  • #8789
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Probes wrote: »
    Does anyone know the vaccination targets over the coming months? All I can find is 40,000 a week - but that seems to me to be far too slow (particularly if it halves when giving 2nd doses). It would take a couple of years to get through everyone?
    20k this week - all nursing homes with first shot by the end of this month. The plan is based on current available supplies so that will change as we get roe of them. Vaccination totals will appear on the Hub dashboard, daily apparently.


  • #8790
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Akabusi wrote: »
    I heard yesterday that during the first lockdown Cavan General had a ward prepared for Covid patients, but at some point since converted it back to a normal ward, they are now in the process of turning it back again to a Covid ward. What's the big deal you ask? It's building contractors now being int there a third time doing this so it must not be a simple case of moving a few beds around? If this i true, what a waste of money, couldn't it have been left like it was for this winter at least. Is there anyone working in the hospital that can verify this?

    I assume its more like sticking a sign on the door and restricting access and possibly increasing the O2 supply rather than knocking walls


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  • #8791
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Fairly grim fact https://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1346174335556456449?s=19


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