Schools closed until February? (part 3)

History Queen · 05-01-2021 12:26AM

Tippex wrote: »

Totally agree on that but honestly I’ve no confidence in the department doing that.

They have already made changes to the papers.

appledrop · 05-01-2021 12:27AM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

One of the best things you could do for her handwriting is work on her fine motor skills - loads of ideas for this online but basically it's strengthening hand muscles. Play dough, cutting and sticking, threading beads etc.

Buy some fancy stationery too and let her make cards to send to grandparents etc. Lots of reading and work with sight words/phonics is great as well.

You can access all curriculum documents online for free but it's not the most accessible thing to read.

I'd be following this advice and make everything fun and forget about seesaw + telling her she has to do her schoolwork. Cards are the way to go for her handwriting. Whoever it is she is closet to and can't see make the card + send it. Doesn't matter what she can write on it main thing is she is trying.

For maths again relate it to normal things your doing or games. For example my 4 year old loves kerpluck. Loads of maths in it as we both have to count numbers of balls that fall down for each of us and add them up.

I always find with that age group if they are disinterested the key is for them to not think they are doing 'school work' and you will get more out off them.

thomasdylan · 05-01-2021 12:28AM

History Queen wrote: »

Teachers are 11 on a list of 14 I think?

11 out of 14 but probably still one of the highest groups outside of healthcare workers and the most at risk..

How many groups do people here think teachers should be moved ahead of?

There are only one group of people in Ireland with experience in introducing vaccines and vaccine programmes and that is public health. The order might change but they should be the ones to change it based on the evidence they have.

expectationlost · 05-01-2021 12:30AM

Josepha Madigan and Norma Foley today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19KotloFVxA

Mrsmum · 05-01-2021 12:30AM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Or too hard, with indecisive students ending up wasting too much time

Maybe. But alot of choice can make the mediocre to good student appear as good as the really good student, no ? And since they are all basically competing for points, that's a bit of an issue.

khalessi · 05-01-2021 12:32AM

thomasdylan wrote: »

11 out of 14 but probably still one of the highest groups outside of healthcare workers and the most at risk..

How many groups do people here think teachers should be moved ahead of?

There are only one group of people in Ireland with experience in introducing vaccines and vaccine programmes and that is public health. The order might change but they should be the ones to change it based on the evidence they have.

The government keep telling people schools are essential and yet it will be the school year of 21/22 before they inject school staff, a full school year and a bit.

That is a bit of a mixed message putting them down the bottom.

Oh btw even though I am a teacher I might not be able to have the injection but I think it should be prioritised.

Bananaleaf · 05-01-2021 12:33AM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Maybe. But alot of choice can make the mediocre to good student appear as good as the really good student, no ? And since they are all basically competing for points, that's a bit of an issue.

I don't know. It depends on the subject I guess. With English and Language (my subjects) it won't make a difference but with other subjects maybe it is an issue.

I would think that less choice and less material in general is the way to go

thomasdylan · 05-01-2021 12:37AM

khalessi wrote: »

The government keep telling people schools are essential and yet it will be the school year of 21/22 before they inject school staff, a full school year and a bit.

That is a bit of a mixed message putting them down the bottom.

Oh btw even though I am a teacher I might not be able to have the injection but I think it should be prioritised.

I think public health have the be the ones to make this decision. I don't think groups should be moved based on lobbying from groups or unions. (One of which had a questionable history regarding vaccinations)

khalessi · 05-01-2021 12:40AM

thomasdylan wrote: »

I think public health have the be the ones to make this decision. I don't think groups should be moved based on lobbying from groups or unions. (One of which had a questionable history regarding vaccinations)

I am not asking you where you think we should go, but whether you think it is a mixed message, yes you are essential but at bottom of list.

I always find it interesting when people come ask others for opinions but never give any of their own because it isnt in the national interest or an ecumenical matter or whatever.

St.Spodo · 05-01-2021 12:41AM

Do we think the school closures will include all schools and pupils, or will there be some exceptions for children of frontline workers, exam students, special ed schools?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 05-01-2021 12:42AM

thomasdylan wrote: »

How many groups do people here think teachers should be moved ahead of?

When you take up fishing?

05-01-2021 12:44AM

St.Spodo wrote: »

Do we think the school closures will include all schools and pupils, or will there be some exceptions for children of frontline workers, exam students, special ed schools?

Didn’t they say, or at least strongly imply, that children of frontline and essential workers will be able to attend this time around, at least at primary level (like in the UK and as it should have been from the outset). Don’t know about special ed though.

thomasdylan · 05-01-2021 12:46AM

khalessi wrote: »

I am not asking you where you think we should go, but whether you think it is a mixed message, yes you are essential but at bottom of list.

I always find it interesting when people come ask others for opinions but never give any of their own because it isnt in the national interest or an ecumenical matter or whatever.

I think you have to defer to the experts on this. I'm not the one saying it should be changed because I've no experience in vaccination programmes

But I do think that one of the groups ahead of teachers has very loose entry requirements that could be tightened otherwise it could include lots of people who probably don't need to be vaccinated as priority.

thomasdylan · 05-01-2021 12:48AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

When you take up fishing?

I think it's a reasonable question.

11th out of 14 sounds bad if you don't have a look at the groups themselves and numbers in each.

Bananaleaf · 05-01-2021 12:49AM

St.Spodo wrote: »

Do we think the school closures will include all schools and pupils, or will there be some exceptions for children of frontline workers, exam students, special ed schools?

It was apparently leaked by someone in govt that it is a partial return, yes but nothing more detailed that so could be any combination of the above. Or none. Or all.

Bananaleaf · 05-01-2021 12:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Didn’t they say, or at least strongly imply, that children of frontline and essential workers will be able to attend this time around, at least at primary level (like in the UK and as it should have been from the outset). Don’t know about special ed though.

That was for the creches

khalessi · 05-01-2021 12:51AM

thomasdylan wrote: »

I think it's a reasonable question.

11th out of 14 sounds bad if you don't have a look at the groups themselves and numbers in each.

My issue is them saying schools are safe, and Micheal has said they are safe for children.

He is incorrect but they also are workplaces with adults in them and it is not safe for them.

I know now schools might be closed but if they were left open, that would be a full school year leaving people at risk and then into the next year. Ridiculous

alroley · 05-01-2021 01:00AM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

It was apparently leaked by someone in govt that it is a partial return, yes but nothing more detailed that so could be any combination of the above. Or none. Or all.

Link?

Bananaleaf · 05-01-2021 01:04AM

alroley wrote: »

Link?

oh now, I will have to go searching. It wasn't any official news source, which is why I said apparently, but I definitely saw something. Will have a look around

05-01-2021 01:08AM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

That was for the creches

Okay. My bad. I’d heard the arrangements being equated to the UK, and so had assumed would include at least primary

alroley · 05-01-2021 01:10AM

I would expect to see primary school children of essential workers in school, but I can't see exam years in next week. That would be hundreds of teens/young adults still coming to each school and mixing.

zeebre12 · 05-01-2021 01:12AM

alroley wrote: »

I would expect to see primary school children of essential workers in school, but I can't see exam years in next week. That would be hundreds of teens/young adults still coming to each school and mixing.

How does that work then? The teacher has to teach them for the day and then have 'online learning' for the students who are not in school?

sabat · 05-01-2021 01:13AM

khalessi wrote: »

My issue is them saying schools are safe, and Micheal has said they are safe for children.

He is incorrect but they also are workplaces with adults in them and it is not safe for them.

Do you have the precise probability of a teacher contracting covid19 in a classroom and subsequently dying please? So we can judge exactly what "not safe" means...

alroley · 05-01-2021 01:13AM

zeebre12 wrote: »

How does that work then? The teacher has to teach them for the day and then have 'online learning' for the students who are not in school?

I have no idea and I am not saying it is a good idea, but it is what the opposition has asked for and it is what other countries are doing, so I can see our government going with that.

alroley · 05-01-2021 01:15AM

sabat wrote: »

Do you have the precise probability of a teacher contracting covid19 in a classroom and subsequently dying please? So we can judge exactly what "not safe" means...

Being in an overcrowded, small, badly ventilated room with 30+ unmasked people while a virus that has been described as "rampant" by the HSE is not safe.

khalessi · 05-01-2021 01:17AM

sabat wrote: »

Do you have the precise probability of a teacher contracting covid19 in a classroom and subsequently dying please? So we can judge exactly what "not safe" means...

Nope but according to FOI over 6000 teachers in Spetember and October of 15% of the workforce were absent due to Covid related matters.

sabat · 05-01-2021 01:21AM

alroley wrote: »

Being in an overcrowded, small, badly ventilated room with 30+ unmasked people while a virus that has been described as "rampant" by the HSE is not safe.

"Rampant" is not a property of the virus itself. The odds of a teacher contracting it in a classroom and dying must be (tens of?) millions to one.

Newbie20 · 05-01-2021 01:22AM

If it goes to predicted grades again this year it’s going to end up being a complete farce.

Last year we were told to be as accurate and fair as we could be and not to give the result of what someone might get on their best day. I did this to the best of my ability and my results were broadly in line with what my school tends to get in that subject.

I know a couple of other teachers that were too generous. Now to be fair, they mightn’t have set out to be overly generous but when you know the students in question, they were generous, no doubt about it. In my mind this wasn’t a big problem because we had been assured that the results would be standardised. And then sure enough they did a u-turn, scrapped the standardised scores and hung the teachers that had correctly followed the guidelines out to dry. They completely changed the terms of the predicted grades after the teachers had completed their end.

So if the predicted grades happen this year they can go get ****ed if they think I’m falling for the same trick twice. If I think a student has a chance of a H1 I’ll be giving it. If I think a student would be borderline to pass or fail, she’ll be passing.

This isn’t to mention the fact that they screwed over the schools that always get exceptionally high scores (don’t teach in one myself)

Redser87 · 05-01-2021 01:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Didn’t they say, or at least strongly imply, that children of frontline and essential workers will be able to attend this time around, at least at primary level (like in the UK and as it should have been from the outset). Don’t know about special ed though.

Found this quote on thejournal.ie if it's what you mean

khalessi · 05-01-2021 01:23AM

sabat wrote: »

"Rampant" is not a property of the virus itself. The odds of a teacher contracting it in a classroom and dying must be (tens of?) millions to one.

Hey you are welcom to come in and take the risk.
Feck the rest of them saying you need to train.
I'm shortstaffed I am sure we could find you something, it is perfectly safe:D;)

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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