Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

Just back from LIDL and seen someone walking around doing their shopping, no mask on and not a care in the world.

I thought it was mandatory now in all shops - why are staff allowing this?

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Naos wrote: »

Just back from LIDL and seen someone walking around doing their shopping, no mask on and not a care in the world.

I thought it was mandatory now in all shops - why are staff allowing this?

I saw one the other day in the queue, no mask and coughing his lungs up. Lidl seems to be fair game.

BattleCorp wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Of course you can blame people. Who else is spreading the virus? People aren't social distancing and, to be fair, the Government have been putting out that message since February/March 2020.

Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? If people stay the fcuk away from other people, this virus can't spread like it is right now.

Yes, the Government could have tightened things up more but if people copped the fcuk on we wouldn't be knee deep in sh1t right now.

A huge percentage of the population are verifiable idiots. We have a vast range of laws and regulations protecting us from idiots doing stupid **** and causing harm to us and themselves.

In December the government did not provide adequate protection for us from the idiots. In fact they actively encouraged the idiots by opening pubs. And the idiots used public transport to get to the pubs. And they used public transport again to visit their parents and grandparents over Christmas.

Every country has a similar proportion of idiots, but not every country has the highest incidence rate on the planet. Just us.

seamus wrote: »

There are considerably different dynamics at play. Germany never had numbers like we do now.

But they also never got their infection numbers as low as we did.

We also haven't seen death figures like they have - like-for-like we should be seeing 80 deaths/day right now if we're at the same place that Germany was at two weeks ago.

So it would be folly to assume that we should be directly comparable. For a start Germany is testing less than we are.

But there's also a geographic difference. While basic concepts of transmission remain solid, other things such as weather, environment, cultural norms and population dynamics become more and more disparate as distance increases. Germany isn't 100,000 KM away, but it is away.

What I'm saying is that Germany extending their lockdown by two weeks doesn't guarantee that we'll have to do the same. Especially when they started their lockdown before Xmas.

The fact of the matter is that we haven't really got a clue where we'll be on 31st January. Because of our problems recording cases and the fact that we've shifted testing criteria, we are flying blind for the next 5-10 days.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. Apologies if you were hoping for an argument

I guess I am just very anxious that we get this right. And so I'm very wary of anything other than a short hard lockdown.
I just don't see any gamble right now that's worth taking.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Fingers crossed

I think people were saying we don't have many ordered of that one in comparison to the others, so wonder will it make much of a difference. Every little helps of course, but probably not a game changer unfortunately

TonyMaloney wrote: »

A huge percentage of the population are verifiable idiots. We have a vast range of laws and regulations protecting us from idiots doing stupid **** and causing harm to us and themselves.

In December the government did not provide adequate protection for us from the idiots. In fact they actively encouraged the idiots by opening pubs. And the idiots used public transport to get to the pubs. And they used public transport again to visit their parents and grandparents over Christmas.

Every country has a similar proportion of idiots, but not every country has the highest incidence rate on the planet. Just us.

The middle paragraph here might age badly in this context but the other two should probably be in the constitution.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is there a leaderboard with us on top?

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=&region=World&positiveTestRate=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&pickerSort=desc

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I guess I am just very anxious that we get this right. And so I'm very wary of anything other than a short hard lockdown.
I just don't see any gamble right now that's worth taking.

To be fair, I think what we're doing now is the opposite of a gamble. We're applying the measures which we know have worked in the recent past. The open question is how quickly they'll be effective, but we should be reasonably confident that they will.

A short, hard lockdown is not something we've ever done. It should work, in principle. But our only experience of a hard lockdown took place nearly 10 months ago. And it was not short. As a population, we are now in a different place, we have a different understanding, and a certain level of confidence in handling the idea of a pandemic in our heads. In March people were in a state of shock and panic, happy to have a steady hand making strong decisions, and so willing to comply with the health guidelines. Not so compliant any more.

I think moving to a hard lockdown now, would actually be the gamble IMHO. I would question peoples' willingness to stick with it, their lack of trust in government response, their overall weariness.

The numbers right now, I think themselves are enough to drill some cop on into people. Coupled with the removal of hospitality and a ban on home visits - thing which we know are effective - gives us confidence that we will see the numbers come down.

Things like closing schools indefinitely moves us back into a weird grey area, where we're not entirely sure what the outcome is going to be until we get there.

BattleCorp wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Of course you can blame people. Who else is spreading the virus? People aren't social distancing and, to be fair, the Government have been putting out that message since February/March 2020.

Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? If people stay the fcuk away from other people, this virus can't spread like it is right now.

Yes, the Government could have tightened things up more but if people copped the fcuk on we wouldn't be knee deep in sh1t right now.

I spoke today with an acquaintance who makes his living supplying pubs/restaurants for a living.

According to him the only difference this Christmas and any other Christmas was no people drinking at the bar. Other than that, people moving freely about from table to table, mingling etc. No social distancing whatsoever. And this is across a wide number of establishments.

So who is responsible?

The Govt for allowing them open?

The Govt for not inspecting them and enforcing compliance?

The Publicans for not enforcing compliance (despite the Healey Raes saying that people are responsible)?

The punters who couldn’t give a sh*t?