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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #7652
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ZX7R wrote: »
    No point posting on Twitter about positive rate ,without the numbers of referrals.
    With out her number of referrals it doesn't show any true stats.
    Well, it means at least 9/10 over four days. Could be 18/20. Maybe 90/100. The point is that the numerator is problematically closer to the denominator. What is a "true stat" in your mind?


  • #7653
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Why? Guidance allows for it no?

    It's foolish guidance if it allows for it.

    I can't walk 5.1 km from my house on my own without breaking rules yet groups of lads are allowed to ignore social distancing to engage in an amateur sport. Stupid rule.

    All team sports where social distancing can't be maintained should be shelved for the moment.


  • #7654
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Because their policy/s has/have failed again and again??? They deserve a huge amount of blame. As do people like those from that wexford funeral

    The government cannot control every single person.
    The virus spreads from people interacting.
    If people want the virus to stop spreading, stop interacting!!
    Simple enough!


  • #7655
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Because their policy/s has/have failed again and again??? They deserve a huge amount of blame. As do people like those from that wexford funeral

    It's not that simple!

    You have a very unpopular Government in place, Leo the Leak, Mehole Martin who's own party don't even want him as leader...
    Then you have the "Golfgate" scandal where those who made the rules then went and broke them the next day....

    And then you have a media who publish stories about how a funeral, a training session or someone having dinner at home is the reason for the spike...


  • #7656
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The growth rate is unbelievable. Scary few weeks ahead
    While comparisons with April can be apt, it also has to be remembered that a lot has changed. The nature of how, who and when we treat has changed.

    People are *more* likely to be admitted now than they were in April when only the most serious cases were brought in; the uncertainty around infection control and spread meant many people were kept at home unless they were really struggling.

    And the treatment regime is slightly longer than it was in April; because they know what works now.

    Also not forgetting that hospital occupancy for non-Covid ailments is up, which contributes to the numbers catching the infection in hospitals.

    We will have to enact surge capacity again, I expect by the end of this week or next, the private hospitals will be on standby again and outpatients procedures cancelled.

    But we'll squeak through it without completely overwhelming the system.


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  • #7657
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Why is this the government’s fault?
    Anyone with a bit of cop on knew to limit their interactions with family and stick to people they live with.
    Zoom call everyone else.
    Why do people always want to blame the government, they don’t control every facet of your life so they?
    Personal responsibility is what is needed.

    Agreed. Fault is all around us. Strong leadership might have got more people to tow the line but by jaysus there's some selfish gits out there.


  • #7658
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    It's foolish guidance if it allows for it.

    I can't walk 5.1 km from my house on my own without breaking rules yet groups of lads are allowed to ignore social distancing to engage in an amateur sport. Stupid rule.

    All team sports where social distancing can't be maintained should be shelved for the moment.

    "Elite" sports have an exemption from the rules...

    Not to mention Horse and Greyhound racing..


  • #7659
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Because their policy/s has/have failed again and again??? They deserve a huge amount of blame. As do people like those from that wexford funeral

    Which government's policy do you think has worked?


  • #7660
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    jams100 wrote: »
    Did any country NOT open retail? The suggestion not to open retail is just ridiculous, the stuff around it fair enough but I dont see how people are comparing retail to restaurants.

    If retail was so bad then some supermarkets would've had to close during the first wave surely?

    Retail maybe as such not but it encouraged crowds in retail parks and shopping centres , in the cafes and restaurants in the centres etc


  • #7661
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A girl i work with who had Covid two months ago has just had a second Positive result.
    Been told it could be a false positive or a re infection so has to isolate.

    According to boards. Reinfection is impossible and extremely rare. With the number of Healthcare workers out currently you'd have to wonder is coming more commonplace. The whole "the variant is only a small percentage" is a bit of a red herring. It started out in SE England so if you looked nationally it wasn't a concern. It has since spread to be the dominate strain in lots of places. Need to look locally where it was found.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1344461241339752448?s=20


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  • #7662
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    I really don't understand the constant downplaying of the situation by lots of posters on here.

    Even if people don't think it will impact them personally can they not see the impact it is having on certain sections of society and the overall economy?

    Stripping out the personal suffering, the longer it goes on, the more it will cost us. Sticking ones head in the sand does not change that, in fact it may even make it worse


  • #7663
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Dubh Geannain wrote: »
    Agreed. Fault is all around us. Strong leadership might have got more people to tow the line but by jaysus there's some selfish gits out there.

    I actually think it’s nuts that people give out like mad about the government being useless, then look to the government for guidance, then give out about the government when that turns out to be a **** show!!
    Ffs people start looking after your own lives and not letting the guy on the tv tell you what to do!
    We need to stop meeting other people and allowing the virus to spread its that simple.


  • #7664
    NetChat101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭NetChat101


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Your guess is as good as mine...

    However I really do wonder if some of these stories about how certain establishments "A friend of a friend" attended and no masks or social distancing was observed, actually have some sort of vendetta against certain food/drink businesses? Or are stirring the s h one t?

    Any establishment I attended before the Xmas holidays(Dublin city) were in absolute full compliance with the rules.

    My local town is in the middle of a very bad wave at the moment - and nearly every case can be traced back to a local pub during Christmas week. And it's not hearsay! It happened.


  • #7665
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Why is this the government’s fault?
    Anyone with a bit of cop on knew to limit their interactions with family and stick to people they live with.
    Zoom call everyone else.
    Why do people always want to blame the government, they don’t control every facet of your life so they?
    Personal responsibility is what is needed.

    Because you vote them in to make public health decisions that are in the best interests of public health?

    And while economic health must also be taken into account, we can acknowledge that they vastly underestimated the numbers that would be infected once restrictions were lifted. What did their behavioural psychologist advisors say? Did they say that there would be limited interaction and while infections would increase they would not be overwhelming, and therefore opening of hospitality and household visits could go ahead? Or did those advisors tell them that at the end of 9 months of restrictions, and over a holiday period, opening hospitality would vastly increase infections?

    That's what I would like to know. If all the advice they received was that it would be safe to open hospitality, and the inevitable increase in infections could be corrected by a return to Level 4/5 in January, then I feel for the government. I probably would have made the same decision that they did.

    But if there was advice - even if it was in the minority - that predicted where we are today (or even close to it) then there are questions to be asked and answered by the government.


  • #7666
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    It's going to change drastically over the coming weeks. Up to now people didn't really know anyone who had covid or was sick with it. People in hospital or intensive care were not really known to the wider population. After checking in with work this morning, hearing lots of people have been tested, are positive or isolating. That was unheard of in December or at any other time in the pandemic.


  • #7667
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A girl i work with who had Covid two months ago has just had a second Positive result.
    Been told it could be a false positive or a re infection so has to isolate.

    Be careful talking about reinfection. Some posters get very tetchy about it ;)


  • #7668
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    According to boards. Reinfection is impossible and extremely rare. With the number of Healthcare workers out currently you'd have to wonder is coming more commonplace. The whole "the variant is only a small percentage" is a bit of a red herring. It started out in SE England so if you looked nationally it wasn't a concern. It has since spread to be the dominate strain in lots of places. Need to look locally where it was found.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1344461241339752448?s=20

    It has been proven that reinfection is extremely unlikely. It can happen, as with all viruses but seems to be an edge case.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4961


  • #7669
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    JDD wrote: »
    Because you vote them in to make public health decisions that are in the best interests of public health?

    And while economic health must also be taken into account, we can acknowledge that they vastly underestimated the numbers that would be infected once restrictions were lifted. What did their behavioural psychologist advisors say? Did they say that there would be limited interaction and while infections would increase they would not be overwhelming, and therefore opening of hospitality and household visits could go ahead? Or did those advisors tell them that at the end of 9 months of restrictions, and over a holiday period, opening hospitality would vastly increase infections?

    That's what I would like to know. If all the advice they received was that it would be safe to open hospitality, and the inevitable increase in infections could be corrected by a return to Level 4/5 in January, then I feel for the government. I probably would have made the same decision that they did.

    But if there was advice - even if it was in the minority - that predicted where we are today (or even close to it) then there are questions to be asked and answered by the government.

    If you know how the virus spreads, yet you go and meet other people, no matter what the government advises, you are potentially helping to spread the virus and contributing to the current status of the hospitals.
    Simple.
    If everyone realised this we wouldn’t be in the **** show we are now.

    I don’t vote the government in to control my life!
    I vote them in to put policies in place that I may or may not agree with.
    I use my own common sense and wit to protect myself and my family.


  • #7670
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    It has been proven that reinfection is extremely unlikely. It can happen, as with all viruses but seems to be an edge case.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4961

    Phew thanks for the reassurances. I feel much better now. So what are your thoughts on other coronavirus' that consistently evade antibodies on 1 to 2 year timescale. Do you honestly think this one will be different?


  • #7671
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    According to boards. Reinfection is impossible and extremely rare. With the number of Healthcare workers out currently you'd have to wonder is coming more commonplace.

    There is nothing to suggest that a single healthcare worker in Ireland has become infected twice


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  • #7672
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭jams100


    It really is despicable that antigen tests aren't used in facilities such as hospitals, they would significantly help prevent clusters in healthcare settings.

    All our lads can do however is focus on lockdowns


  • #7673
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    There is nothing to suggest that a single healthcare worker in Ireland has become infected twice

    There is also nothing to suggest that they haven't seen as though we are not tracking reinfections.


  • #7674
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,435 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    NON-URGENT HOSPITAL care is in the process of being cancelled from this week to free up capacity and reduce risk, the CEO of the HSE has said.
    Paul Reid said the situation will be “literally going back to where we were in March and April” in terms of non-urgent healthcare being scaled back.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ronan-glynn-third-wave-warning-coronavirus-5315327-Jan2021/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7675
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    There is also nothing to suggest that they haven't seen as though we are not tracking reinfections.

    The individual themselves will be aware if they have had Covid twice, and we would hear about it if was "commonplace"


  • #7676
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    There is nothing to suggest that a single healthcare worker in Ireland has become infected twice

    I was working with one today who has been confirmed to have covid-19 twice. Second time was asymptomatic. Was picked up on weekly testing. Swabbed again and confirmed.


  • #7677
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    NON-URGENT HOSPITAL care is in the process of being cancelled from this week to free up capacity and reduce risk, the CEO of the HSE has said.
    Paul Reid said the situation will be “literally going back to where we were in March and April” in terms of non-urgent healthcare being scaled back.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ronan-glynn-third-wave-warning-coronavirus-5315327-Jan2021/

    Good to know that the HSE spent the Summer months while the country was in lockdown preparing for the 3rd/4th waves of the virus by improving the countries healthcare system...


  • #7678
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    jams100 wrote: »
    It really is despicable that antigen tests aren't used in facilities such as hospitals, they would significantly help prevent clusters in healthcare settings.

    All our lads can do however is focus on lockdowns

    There is nowhere in the world which has successfully used antigen testing to prevent clusters.


  • #7679
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    There’s an item coming up now on Claire Byrne about employers who won’t allow workers to work from home, should be interesting.....


  • #7680
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was working with one today who has been confirmed to have covid-19 twice. Second time was asymptomatic. Was picked up on weekly testing. Swabbed again and confirmed.
    if asymptomatic surely the second time they didn't "have" covid, just carried it?


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  • #7681
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was working with one today who has been confirmed to have covid-19 twice. Second time was asymptomatic. Was picked up on weekly testing. Swabbed again and confirmed.

    Can you please give any insight into our capacity to provide oxygen to patients?

    Several UK hospitals are in trouble in this regard, and I've a bad feeling our capacity is even lower, but basing that on nothing.


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