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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6212
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Fair enough, keep working and risk your life then.

    Some people don't have a choice, if they don't work they have no income to survive on.


  • #6213
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Shopping in supermarkets...with or without mask mandates!!!

    Here we go again :pac: Reduce the probability perhaps.


  • #6214
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nice try, but no, it doesn't work that way.

    Your average employer is not qualified to make medical assessments on staff. In earlier threads there were plenty of examples given of teachers (as an example) who were very high risk being medically certified as being fit to work by occupational health, and others of consultants refusing to certify people as high risk in case their employers tried to use this information against them at a later stage.

    The point is, its not simply a case of "stay at home and claim PUP" if you're high risk.

    That is not exactly what happened with teachers.
    Medmark declared teachers who were very high risk (and confirmed as such by consultants specialising in their illness) as only high risk so they could work.


  • #6215
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    We need to know how many are "todays" and how many are historical, can't believe they are lumping historical and live cases together after the German labs debacle from last year.

    Imho I think they will keep holding back some of the backlog figures. In this way they can publish higher figures later next week to keep everyone in line.

    It beggars belief that they don’t tell us today how much are today’s figures and how much is backlog.

    Rte were hinting at 50/50.


  • #6216
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    majcos wrote: »
    Almost 47% of all hospital admissions since this began have been in people under 65 years old.

    The number of deaths for under 65 is really low in the last 6 months, vulnerable or not in 43 so most are making a full recovery.


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  • #6217
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    HSE operations report 2/1 as of 8pm

    Covid cases hospitalised 619 - increase from 530

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 56 - increase from 50
    1 death in ICUs last 24 hours
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 30 - increase from 26
    Available ICU beds 49


  • #6218
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Kimbot wrote: »
    I'm classified as very high risk by occupational health in work and still have to go in to the office. My own doctor on the other hand thinks my risk is one to self isolate. If I self isolate I don't get paid and I can't claim pup.

    Where i work we have four categories for staff

    Category a means its essential you attend the office at all times then b and c are occasionally in the office or wfh and not required to physically attend

    However category d is anyone who may be medically vulnerable

    If you are category d you are not allowed attend the office under any circumstances due to the risk of becoming ill and must wfh

    If you can't work from home afaik you are put on paid sick leave


  • #6219
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Kimbot wrote: »
    Some people don't have a choice, if they don't work they have no income to survive on.

    Exactly and some on here see 100s of thousands out of work as a minor inconvenience.


  • #6220
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Kimbot wrote: »
    I'm classified as very high risk by occupational health in work and still have to go in to the office. My own doctor on the other hand thinks my risk is one to self isolate. If I self isolate I don't get paid and I can't claim pup.

    Well if it were up to me I would facilitate (no coercion) all vulnerable people to work at home or receive welfare, and also keep the elderly relatively apart, and then give fully healthy people greater autonomy.

    That would perhaps quicken asymptomatic cross-infection among the healthy population. (This is not my idea, some epidemiologists have suggested it.)

    That's seen as cruel by some since it could mean very limited autonomy for the vulnerable. Though in practice we're all in lockdown A LOT anyway so its not like they have tons of freedom otherwise.


  • #6221
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Renjit wrote: »
    You may already had it in past.

    Majority of people dont pass it on to others and it appears that young children even less so. Most of the spread comes from a small minority of the cases. Even amongst household members, the risk of becoming infected isn't extremely high with the biggest risk being spouse/partner transmission.

    So it may be that they had it before or they just got lucky. People forget that infection even after close contact is by no means a certainty


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  • #6222
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Renjit wrote: »
    You may already had it in past.

    Strong immune system?

    I remember, up until last winter, where I got the now infamous(mysterious?) strong strain of flu, that some of us thought/think was Covid 19, I hadn't been ill for 3 years and I was always around people with winter flus, colds, bugs etc.

    Could be your immune system being strong or you may have already had it without even knowing. Who knows?


  • #6223
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    the risk of becoming infected isn't extremely high with the biggest risk being spouse/partner transmission.

    I am inflamed with sexual lust and curiousity


  • #6224
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    khalessi wrote: »
    That is not exactly what happened with teachers.
    Medmark declared teachers who were very high risk (and confirmed as such by consultants specialising in their illness) as only high risk so they could work.

    You're right, that did happen.


  • #6225
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    niallo27 wrote: »
    The number of deaths for under 65 is really low in the last 6 months, vulnerable or not in 43 so most are making a full recovery.
    I don’t have the breakdown of ages of those who died in the last six months but I hope you’re right that’s it’s relatively low and hopefully that will continue to be the case but it will only be so provided there are enough hospital and ICU beds and staff have enough time to deliver the same level of care as they have been doing in the last six months.


  • #6226
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Stheno wrote: »
    You might still be incubating the virus? It does seem to happen though that not everyone in a family gets it

    Unlikely

    Also unlikely to have contradicted it previously either

    In Wuhan many family members never got infected, natural immunity exists somehow


  • #6227
    hopgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭hopgirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    Where i work we have four categories for staff

    Category a means its essential you attend the office at all times then b and c are occasionally in the office or wfh and not required to physically attend

    However category d is anyone who may be medically vulnerable

    If you are category d you are not allowed attend the office under any circumstances due to the risk of becoming ill and must wfh

    If you can't work from home afaik you are put on paid sick leave

    How does it work in workplace if the person has used their sick leave due to illness?


  • #6228
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    majcos wrote: »
    I don’t have the breakdown of ages of those who died in the last six months but I hope you’re right that’s it’s relatively low and hopefully that will continue to be the case but it will only be so provided there are enough hospital and ICU beds and staff have enough time to deliver the same level of care as they have been doing in the last six months.

    Spookwoman is that the posters name had the full data last night.


  • #6229
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    growleaves wrote: »
    Hm but what about the actual hospitalisations. They might come disproportionately from the 35% over 45 might they not?

    Also:

    You don't know that people who got it behaved 'flippantly'. If the theories of causality were precise we wouldn't need to close down every sector of society on a hope and a prayer that we'd closed the ones that contribute to spread. If we need to call the Army out to stop people buying ice cream in the open air just in case then a little humility is called for instead of angry demonising.




    That is quite correct. Not everyone who gets it behaves flippantly. Nobody said that. However behaving flippantly will increase your chances of getting it.



    majcos wrote: »
    Almost 47% of all hospital admissions since this began have been in people under 65 years old.



    Yes, and that was before we saw the recent increasing skew towards younger people in terms of infections. Admittedly a bit of an outlier, but most recent daily data is 31 hospitalizations today were under 65. 18 over 65.


    Edit: Sorry not today. I meant the most up to date data which is for 31st Dec. Source is https://data.gov.ie/dataset?q=Covid&sort=score+desc%2C+metadata_created+desc


  • #6230
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I'm not downplaying it, I understand where your coming from. I just think if anyone is highly vulnerable then I really think they should go on the pup and hide this out for next few months. Would you not agree.

    I don't think people can give up work and choose to go on the pup themselves.


  • #6231
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What about some personal responsibility from the vulnerable, how hard is it to just stay at home or is all the responsibility on the person that might affect them.

    The vulnerable are in most cases doing way more than is required to be as safe as possible, going to supermarkets at the designated times, not going to places they shouldn't be, and all of the other things that are appropriate, but to suggest they stop living is too much.

    In the same vein, the responsibility on those who are not vulnerable is to do what they have been asked to do, which is things like not going to house parties, using masks correctly, using hand sanitiser when going into supermarkets and the like, and maintaining social distancing from older people that could be at risk.

    Them and us doesn't help, and yes, while we're all in the same storm, we are most definitely not all in the same boat, we need to try and remember that the objective is that as many as humanly possible get to the other side of this storm safely. We've already seen that there have been, and still will be more casualties than we like, but if we ever get to the point where some lives are less important than other, we've lost.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • #6232
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    hopgirl wrote: »
    How does it work in workplace if the person has used their sick leave due to illness?

    We don't have a limit on sick leave where I work


  • #6233
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Unlikely

    Also unlikely to have contradicted it previously either

    In Wuhan many family members never got infected, natural immunity exists somehow

    Innate immunity its called. I haven't seen it much mentioned here on this forum but it is discussed in scientific literature.

    On the Diamond Princess many people did not become infected despite that cruise ships are large petri dishes effectively.


  • #6234
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Stheno wrote: »
    Where i work we have four categories for staff

    Category a means its essential you attend the office at all times then b and c are occasionally in the office or wfh and not required to physically attend

    However category d is anyone who may be medically vulnerable

    If you are category d you are not allowed attend the office under any circumstances due to the risk of becoming ill and must wfh

    If you can't work from home afaik you are put on paid sick leave

    Well my place do the covid special leave with pay but some people are not getting it even with certs from doctors/specialists.


  • #6235
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    Stheno wrote: »
    We don't have a limit on sick leave where I work

    Same, you'll have a finite number of uncertified days (not relevant in this scenario), then a given number of certified days before you have to go on long-term illness leave. Common to most multinationals I believe.


  • #6236
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    majcos wrote: »
    HSE operations report 2/1 as of 8pm

    Covid cases hospitalised 619 - increase from 530

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 56 - increase from 50
    1 death in ICUs last 24 hours
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 30 - increase from 26
    Available ICU beds 49

    Is there an outbreak in Mayo hospital? Fairly rapid rise in numbers there.


  • #6237
    languagenerd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Said this before but, I really cannot understand what people have been doing for the numbers to go this high

    I know I was on my own and not in anyone's company but, for the last month, I was in bars/pubs, I was out on my walks and I saw no one acting out of line or inappropriately.

    But people don't have to be "acting out of line or inappropriately" to spread this in indoor environments. If someone sat quietly in a restaurant with 5 friends, they were well within the government's hospitality guidelines, but that's still 5 extra close contacts they didn't have before (and there's also a risk of infection from other nearby tables). You don't have to be swinging out of each other or shifting strangers, merely sitting around a small table with 5 others for 2hrs without masks makes ye close contacts and if one person turns out later to be positive, there's a good chance some of the others will be too. The guidelines and sanitizers and everything else make people feel "safe" in restaurants, but we've never talked enough about the risk at your own table. If you go out with multiple households, you're all now contacts, and some people had several nights out with different groups of <6. Some of them will genuinely feel like they kept to the rules and kept it safe too - but they had 10, 15, 20 close contacts in a week in restaurants/pubs alone. More average contacts = more cases.

    Then lots of people travelled to the family home for Christmas after a night out or two the previous week. Again, things that feel like they should be relatively safe - one person staying in their family home - might not be; complacency definitely falls in after a day or two, but then if you develop symptoms on Day 3, your whole family might now have it. And that's before we count people who came from abroad without restricting movements/isolating.

    I think it's a failure of both government and people tbh. People forget that, sadly, very ordinary behaviour causes cases - you don't have to be going wild at a house party. Anyone meeting/staying with family Christmas week really shouldn't have been out with multiple friends the week before, no matter how safe the local pub felt. But here we are...


  • #6238
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭boardise


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Perhaps but, how do you transfer that to young people?

    I'm still seeing kids, between the ages of 16-21, mingling in groups, meeting outside of school. I came across groups of them meeting for cans in the summer, probably the same now.

    I can't blame them purely because I know I'd have the attitude of "a load of bollocks this is" if I were that young again. In my teenage years certainly.

    As I said earlier, we all know how horrible cancer is yet, people continue to smoke like trains. We all know the dangers of unwanted pregnancy and STDs but, still have unprotected sex.

    Actually, would not surprise me at all if people riding was one of the factors in the rise in cases. Dirty beggers :D

    I agree that it is a cruel and heavy burden for teens and twenties who are at a point in their lives when they are most drawn to assemble in peer groups and start to become sexually active either by pairing off or playing the field.
    What to do ? I don't think they can be given a 'free pass'.The realities and associated risks of the situation must be explained to them in plain simple language.It is to be hoped that the large majority of them will step up to the plate and join in the concerted social effort to limit the damage.
    They're fortunate to have so many technological means of communication and entertainment to cushion the pain of separation.


  • #6239
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Majority of people dont pass it on to others

    What a load of garbage


  • #6240
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Is there an outbreak in Mayo hospital? Fairly rapid rise in numbers there.
    Yes. From around the 27th/28th of December. A few wards already closed to new admissions. Outbreak is still growing unfortunately.


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  • #6241
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    majcos wrote: »
    HSE operations report 2/1 as of 8pm

    Covid cases hospitalised 619 - increase from 530

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 56 - increase from 50
    1 death in ICUs last 24 hours
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 30 - increase from 26
    Available ICU beds 49

    If there's 49 ICU beds left and if there's another increase of 6 tomorrow and 6 the day after... Does that mean that ICU will be full in 8 days???


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