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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5672
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I’d be interested in any suggestion how it could be implemented and of course enforced.

    You start telling them the truth

    They are at a substantial risk of hospitalisation and death if they catch it


  • #5673
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Sure by that logic everyone should be confined to their dwelling for a minimum of 2 weeks with as suggested by another poster a bag of turnips to tide them over. I’d be interested in any suggestion how it could be implemented and of course enforced.

    Where would we get a couple of million bags of turnips?


  • #5674
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    We don’t remove people’s liberty unless they have committed a crime, being elderly or vulnerable to the best of my knowledge is not an offence warranting imprisonment or house arrest.

    Haven't the vulnerable been advised to stay home already


  • #5675
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I think it is a massive mistake to stop testing close contacts.

    This will result in a lot more asymptomatic people not being diagnosed, and more than likely, not isolating correctly. And if you dont isolate..............sh1t happens.


  • #5676
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    What if you don't like turnips? Other than that, a two week confinement is ok with me.

    Yes but it can only work if absolutely everyone does it, which also leaves enforcement.


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  • #5677
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    Tell us exactly how you think delaying it will pass the buck to NPHET?

    The case numbers may cause NPHET to formally recommend keeping schools closed which they have not yet done


  • #5678
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Treseemme. wrote: »
    Haven't the vulnerable been advised to stay home already

    Everyone has been advised to stay at home.


  • #5679
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Treseemme. wrote: »
    Haven't the vulnerable been advised to stay home already

    Advised and forced are too different things.


  • #5680
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    We don’t remove people’s liberty unless they have committed a crime, being elderly or vulnerable to the best of my knowledge is not an offence warranting imprisonment or house arrest.

    Luckily, most sensible elderly people in real life can see the big picture and not whinge like a Facebook conspiracy theorist waffling about liberties etc.


  • #5681
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Ring the HSE helpline 1850 24 1850

    I called they are closed


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  • #5682
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭harr


    rooney30 wrote: »
    Cases numbers are bad but it’s not unreasonable to assume that real case numbers will fall quite quickly soon . Full level 5 restrictions will be in long enough to have an effect. . January is a time of natural lockdown of sorts . People have their socialising done over the Christmas period and tend the hunker down anyway , bad weather and short days help with this . From a socialising point of view it’s the quietest month of the year

    Only if they close the schools for the month , kids from from different households mixing with the current infection rate would be a huge issue.


  • #5683
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Everyone has been advised to stay at home.

    I haven’t heard the word ‘cocoon’ recently. Has it been banned?


  • #5684
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Advised and forced are too different things.

    It might be time to start inforcing or doctor's are gonna have to start making tough decisions shortly

    We forced businesses to close


  • #5685
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Crocodile Booze wrote: »
    Luckily, most sensible elderly people in real life can see the big picture and not whinge like a Facebook conspiracy theorist waffling about liberties etc.

    Saw quite a few elderly today when I was dropping my son to work. This must have had the telly off and missed the big picture.


  • #5686
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    I know this question wasn't directed at me but anecdotally, out of the 5 recent clusters I heard about, four of those originated with people from England.
    I think this is less to do with case numbers in England and more to do with selection bias; the kind of person who is willing to travel internationally during a pandemic is also the kind of person who is likely to ignore the health guidelines and do whatever.

    It seems obvious now; air travel itself is not a risk per se; but the kind of person who travels makes it considerably riskier.


  • #5687
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    It might be time to start inforcing or doctor's are gonna have to start making tough decisions shortly

    We forced businesses to close

    Best of luck with that one. Not interested in heading down rabbit holes.


  • #5688
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,683 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    I've heard a similar story where acquaintances auntie came over to visit earlier in the week whilst waiting the test results. She subsequently tested positive. A whole heap of them now are self isolating and awaiting tests.

    Incredible stuff. Christmas it seems, turned people into morons.

    Nope. People have always been morons. Christmas just ensures their moronic decisions have greater consequences


  • #5689
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    harr wrote: »
    Only if they close the schools for the month , kids from from different households mixing with the current infection rate would be a huge issue.

    Do I still have to self isolate even tho I haven't got a call from a close contact tracking . I know the nurse that comes to the house has tested positive. This happened on the 22nd December so will have to isolate till Wednesday next .


  • #5690
    autumnbelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭autumnbelle


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Saw quite a few elderly today when I was dropping my son to work. This must have had the telly off and missed the big picture.

    A lot of them have no one to shop for them


  • #5691
    Blanco100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So why did a matron go on national radio and make those claims then ? She’s in a position of authority and for whatever reason she made those claims which appear to be completely baseless.

    She should be held accountable for spreading lies.

    There's no grey area there, there's either a ward full of covid infected children or there isn't. And it should be very easy to ascertain that information. It's not open to interpretation, if someone is bending the truth to enforce their own point then they need to be called on it.

    A lot of these "heroes" in the NHS have lost the plot, be it from fatigue or whatever. Either way, spreading fear unnecessarily is not on.

    If the statement is correct then that's something that can be easily proven and reported on in a factual manner.


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  • #5692
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So why did a matron go on national radio and make those claims then ? She’s in a position of authority and for whatever reason she made those claims which appear to be completely baseless.

    I've no idea why she made those claims, but I see no reason to doubt actual data. There have been so many anecdotes throughout this crisis (plenty from medical professionals) and I don't believe any of them until I see the data. Remember the doctor in Italy (or was it Spain?) who said the virus was weakening? Senior enough guy I think.


  • #5693
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    the whole year inn wrote: »
    Do I still have to self isolate even tho I haven't got a call from a close contact tracking . I know the nurse that comes to the house has tested positive. This happened on the 22nd December so will have to isolate till Wednesday next .

    Your mother definitely has to and if you are a close contact of hers you probably shoild


  • #5694
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Stheno wrote: »
    Prof Nolan saying current restrictions are sufficient for now



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0102/1187293-coronavirus-ireland/

    I disagree.


  • #5695
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    the whole year inn wrote: »
    I called they are closed

    Just tried it myself - 'Open from 9am - 5pm on Fri 1st Jan' is the recorded announcement that plays out.

    What a joke 1850 24 1850 is not permanently manned.

    Sorry it wasn't of help OP, you couldn't make this stuff up.

    Note to everybody - if you are going to catch covid and need some emergency advice from the HSE national helpline (the one with 24 in it), make sure you develop symptoms during business hours.

    If anyone needs them urgently, they will be back on the line at 9am in the morning.


  • #5696
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    Stheno wrote: »
    Your mother definitely has to and if you are a close contact of hers you probably shoild

    Yea I'm home from Xmas , so in the same house last 3 weeks. Why haven't the close contact teachers not notified us tho , would they be this slow .


  • #5697
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    You only have to pull back the covers a little to see where peoples priorities are.

    I've a few people close to me that I've seen act like absolute fvuking arseholes the last few weeks. In a way its good because it's made me think about some of the friendships I have going forward.

    Yep. Most of my friends are following restrictions, same as myself, and we all stuck to guidelines for how many we could meet before Christmas etc, but I've a couple who've had multiple house parties since Christmas and then they're wondering why I'm not willing to see them. The mind boggles.


  • #5698
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    As if older people haven't had it tough enough over the past 9 months with their increased risk and the fact many have been more isolated than they would have been, we now have people suggesting we forcibly keep them at home. Sure **** them. Let's lock them up so the rest of us can get back to normal.

    It's not their fault we're in lockdown. They're not choosing to be more at risk from the virus like.

    The truth is most if the older, frailer ones have been locked up since March and carers with them. Day services are gone, which would be the main port for socialisation, and it was simply too unsafe to consider going for a meal or anything like that. Now it's so much worse when they can't have callers to the house. Its incredibly tough on thousands of people. That a significant cohort want to extend that misery and leave very vulnerable people alone with completely overwhelmed and unsupported carers in favour of being able to socialise says a great deal about them.


  • #5699
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Just tried it myself - 'Open from 9am - 5pm on Fri 1st Jan' is the recorded announcement that plays out.

    What a joke 1850 24 1850 is not permanently manned.

    Sorry it wasn't of help OP, you couldn't make this stuff up.

    Note to everybody - if you are going to catch covid and need some emergency advice from the HSE national helpline (the one with 24 in it), make sure you develop symptoms during business hours.

    If anyone needs them urgently, they will be back on the line at 9am in the morning.

    Not your fault thanks tho!


  • #5700
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    I disagree.

    Decision....decisions ....

    Who to trust more.....?


    Prof. Nolan or a random anonymous poster......


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  • #5701
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    the whole year inn wrote: »
    Yea I'm home from Xmas , so in the same house last 3 weeks. Why haven't the close contact teachers not notified us tho , would they be this slow .

    I think they only go back either 2 or 5 days

    Its kinda irrelevant tbh you know you're a close contact so need to self isolate regardless


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