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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5642
    rooney30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭rooney30


    Cases numbers are bad but it’s not unreasonable to assume that real case numbers will fall quite quickly soon . Full level 5 restrictions will be in long enough to have an effect. . January is a time of natural lockdown of sorts . People have their socialising done over the Christmas period and tend the hunker down anyway , bad weather and short days help with this . From a socialising point of view it’s the quietest month of the year


  • #5643
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,959 ✭✭✭eigrod


    seamus wrote: »
    It's a small increase in positivity. But small is better than big :D

    We could be starting to approach the peak now, which would be heralded by a slowdown in growth. But with two days of data it's a complete guess.

    Today's number probably also still includes close contacts. If tomorrow's number contains very few close contacts then we will probably see positivity rates skyrocket.

    So if it does, don't panic.

    If it stays in the 20% - 22% bracket for a few days, that’s a positive I think. It’s not going to go down straight away, so as long as it’s not increasing for the next few days, that’s the best we can hope for for now.


  • #5644
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    I also think what we are seeing at the moment with all the excuses basically amounts to lying. Not necessarily deliberately, but at the very least by ongoing negligence. And I also would not discount deliberation because it looks really bad for them in terms of management also.
    The real time numbers are being manipulated in the way they are being presented now. Real time numbers are important for public information. It is perfectly possible for the health authorities to put a reasonably accurate figure on the actual daily figures of cases that are positive and give them out in the media, without all this IT/Excel/Systems/Staff bullcrap.
    Just tell the daily figures correctly and don't treat us like children that have to be managed by a bureaucracy. Makes me cross this impenetrable artificial ceiling that has them supposedly hamstrung into obfuscation.

    You have to understand, most of these people are not ready for the truth right now, there will be panic in shops like never before

    Many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent, that they might not even go to work if true scale was published on RTE right now.


  • #5645
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    eigrod wrote: »
    If it stays in the 20% - 22% bracket for a few days, that’s a positive I think. It’s not going to go down straight away, so as long as it’s not increasing for the next few days, that’s the best we can hope for for now.
    As Seamus says, if there is a change coming in the composition of the tests (e.g. no close contact testing) the % will change - and might increase dramatically. So it's not going to be a great indicator I think unfortunately for a while.

    I'd probably look myself at the GP Buddy tracker to see what GPs are reporting.


  • #5646
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    Do you mind me asking how they think they got it?

    Most have absolute no idea . Two were in close contact to a positive case who was asymptomatic .


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  • #5647
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Looks like I'll have to postpone my trip back to Ireland until 2022 which is a shame. I can't see this being under control until the summer. Coming out of lockdown the way we did was not the right decision. Looks like a pure money grab that's put us back to March and May figures.


  • #5648
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Third lockdown down absolutely crazy, I went from hearing nobody having it to now nearly almost every family member being in close contact with someone that has it.

    Considering myself as lucky, as the only person I know of is my grandmother back in April who caught it in a nursing home and recovered, along with a few friend-of-friend-of-friend anecdotes. I am getting that doomy feeling though that it's just a matter of time before I start to hear it getting closer, your post isn't the first with a similar message. Hope for good outcomes with your family!


  • #5649
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/CheungRonny/status/1345307828119089152?s=19

    https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1345367056519204866?s=19

    Looking at that chart

    Time to start locking up the 65+ right now

    Honestly we've been far too PC with them

    They shouldn't be in shops, out and about right now

    For there safety they should be staying at home, online shopping only


  • #5650
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    SeaFields wrote: »

    The message is not getting through. Or is just being completely ignored. What's the F-ing point.

    As with everything in life, you've those that put in the work, and those that give two fingers to society and get away scott free. I'm almost envious, would love to be able to switch off and go enjoy myself.

    And before I get called a doom monger, I am enjoying life as much as is reasonable, but to be completely carefree about this right now is an absolute joke.


  • #5651
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Isn't it :( To have gone for a test and have symptoms and then go and meet other people. I can understand almost anything regards other people but knowingly putting others at risk is absolutely dreadful.

    To be frank, anyone who ignores guidelines, is putting others at risk. We could all have the virus and we could all spread it. Which bit of that are people not getting?


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  • #5652
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    i think the large numbers in the coming days from the huge backlogs are going to take most people by surprise who haven't been following this thing closely. most of the people i know have no idea about the backlog.


  • #5653
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    Dogs in the streets realise the schools won't be opening but the Government will play politics with it until next weekend and then make NPHET the bad boys .....that flip flopping is why we are where we are . Fire fighting for the last 6 months with no forward planning .


  • #5654
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Looking at that chart

    Time to start locking up the 65+ right now

    Honestly we've been far too PC with them

    They shouldn't be in shops, out and about right now

    For there safety they should be staying at home, online shopping only

    Mad suggestion but how about we treat over 65 year olds as adults and allow them make their own risk assessment. They survived past their 60’s I ‘m sure they learned a few things relevant to survival against adversity.


  • #5655
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Considering myself as lucky, as the only person I know of is my grandmother back in April who caught it in a nursing home and recovered, along with a few friend-of-friend-of-friend anecdotes. I am getting that doomy feeling though that it's just a matter of time before I start to hear it getting closer, your post isn't the first with a similar message. Hope for good outcomes with your family!

    Yeah, a neighbour of mine died this morning.
    That's the first person I personally know that's died with covid.
    Hope there won't be much more.


  • #5656
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/CheungRonny/status/1345307828119089152?s=19

    Well someone is lying there.


  • #5657
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    blade1 wrote: »
    Yeah, a neighbour of mine died this morning.
    That's the first person I personally know that's died.
    Hope there won't be much more.

    Sorry for your loss

    May they rest in peace


  • #5658
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Third lockdown down absolutely crazy, I went from hearing nobody having it to now nearly almost every family member being in close contact with someone that has it.

    I've heard a similar story where acquaintances auntie came over to visit earlier in the week whilst waiting the test results. She subsequently tested positive. A whole heap of them now are self isolating and awaiting tests.

    Incredible stuff. Christmas it seems, turned people into morons.


  • #5659
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Dogs in the streets realise the schools won't be opening but the Government will play politics with it until next weekend and then make NPHET the bad boys .....that flip flopping is why we are where we are . Fire fighting for the last 6 months with no forward planning .

    Party First

    Get thyself re-elected

    That doesn't change easily


  • #5660
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    [QUOTE=stephenjmcd;115780141

    1

    https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1345367056519204866?s=19[/QUOTE]

    Interesting

    If we can vaccinate the 750,000 or so over 70's

    Hospitalisation rate's will be miniscule

    We shoud have that done by Mid March/April


  • #5661
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well someone is lying there.

    Always ignore the anecdotes, and look at the data. The data seems pretty clear - almost no child ICU admissions for Covid in the UK


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  • #5662
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Mad suggestion but how about we treat over 65 year olds as adults and allow them make their own risk assessment. They survived past their 60’s I ‘m sure they learned a few things relevant to survival against adversity.

    You could make the argument that them being out and
    about puts them at a greater risk of catching covid and they too are at greater risk of hospitalisation due to covid.

    Them catching it puts our hospitals under greater strain than a 20 year old catching it. Therefore they should be under greater restrictions as it will be them who will cause the hospitals to be overwhelmed.

    I dont necessarily agree but the argument is there...


  • #5663
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    You could make the argument that them being out and
    about puts them at a greater risk of catching covid and they too are at greater risk of hospitalisation due to covid.

    Them catching it puts our hospitals under greater strain than a 20 year old catching it. Therefore they should be under greater restrictions as it will be them who will cause the hospitals to be overwhelmed.

    I dont necessarily agree but the argument is there...

    This argument has been done to death


  • #5664
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Mad suggestion but how about we treat over 65 year olds as adults and allow them make their own risk assessment. They survived past their 60’s I ‘m sure they learned a few things relevant to survival against adversity.

    Look at that chart

    They are the reason for the lockdown's

    Nearly all the hospitalisation is coming from that age group

    We don't let under 18's drink, we shouldn't let over 65's out in a pandemic that targets them

    Virus doesn't care if they learned a few things to survive this, if they are getting exposed to it, they clog up the hospital's.


  • #5665
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Kallie Future Marinade wrote: »
    I've heard a similar story where acquaintances auntie came over to visit earlier in the week whilst waiting the test results. She subsequently tested positive. A whole heap of them now are self isolating and awaiting tests.

    Incredible stuff. Christmas it seems, turned people into morons.

    They were promised that we would have a christmas, albeit 'different'. The difference wasn't defined strongly enough and people chose to decide the definition of 'different' themselves - some made very little difference to how they would normally behave. They didn't go to a pub, so there is the difference, everything else was as normal.

    The messaging was deliberately light to avoid public backlash. The government should have told it hard and straight.


  • #5666
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Always ignore the anecdotes, and look at the data. The data seems pretty clear - almost no child ICU admissions for Covid in the UK

    So why did a matron go on national radio and make those claims then ? She’s in a position of authority and for whatever reason she made those claims which appear to be completely baseless.


  • #5667
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Stheno wrote: »
    This argument has been done to death

    Death is what awaits them if they don't stay home


  • #5668
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    You could make the argument that them being out and
    about puts them at a greater risk of catching covid and they too are at greater risk of hospitalisation due to covid.

    Them catching it puts our hospitals under greater strain than a 20 year old catching it. Therefore they should be under greater restrictions as it will be them who will cause the hospitals to be overwhelmed.

    I dont necessarily agree but the argument is there...

    Sure by that logic everyone should be confined to their dwelling for a minimum of 2 weeks with as suggested by another poster a bag of turnips to tide them over. I’d be interested in any suggestion how it could be implemented and of course enforced.


  • #5669
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Sure by that logic everyone should be confined to their dwelling for a minimum of 2 weeks with as suggested by another poster a bag of turnips to tide them over. I’d be interested in any suggestion how it could be implemented and of course enforced.

    What if you don't like turnips? Other than that, a two week confinement is ok with me.


  • #5670
    Blanco100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Dogs in the streets realise the schools won't be opening but the Government will play politics with it until next weekend and then make NPHET the bad boys .....that flip flopping is why we are where we are . Fire fighting for the last 6 months with no forward planning .

    Tell us exactly how you think delaying it will pass the buck to NPHET?


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  • #5671
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Look at that chart

    They are the reason for the lockdown's

    Nearly all the hospitalisation is coming from that age group

    We don't let under 18's drink, we shouldn't let over 65's out in a pandemic that targets them

    Virus doesn't care if they learned a few things to survive this, if they are getting exposed to it, they clog up the hospital's.

    We don’t remove people’s liberty unless they have committed a crime, being elderly or vulnerable to the best of my knowledge is not an offence warranting imprisonment or house arrest.


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