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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5342
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Sparko


    At this stage would it make more sense to report the swabs number. Caveat it with a note that the true number of cases will be confirmed once the creaky system finishes counting them.

    We all know swabs doesn't equal cases but it's a hell of a lot closer to the figure than this 1700 ceiling they're stuck at.


  • #5343
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I think its because they need to be inputted into the system to check for duplicates and errors. The figures arent accurate and reliable until this is done. And if you go outside the system and do it manually until the backlog is cleared you are running a massive risk of further cock-ups when the data us finally imputed alongside current data coming in. The big question is, why wasn't the system upgraded/replaced to cope with this eventuality?

    Amateur hour from the Irish government.


  • #5344
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I think its because they need to be inputted into the system to check for duplicates and errors. The figures arent accurate and reliable until this is done. And if you go outside the system and do it manually until the backlog is cleared you are running a massive risk of further cock-ups when the data us finally imputed alongside current data coming in. The big question is, why wasn't the system upgraded/replaced to cope with this eventuality?

    I'd rather see a number with the proviso that it may be 5-10% off, than see the same number each day that is up to 400% off.


  • #5345
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    In all honesty why can they not let some smart kid who is great at coding just set up a parallel system immediately on their gaming laptop and report the correct numbers every day.
    To do otherwise is wrong. There are health officials saying covid is ''rampant'' in Ireland right now, the swabs showed 5000 + cases yesterday and 4000 + the day before. We have now stopped testing close contacts so there is no longer any proper monitoring and containment has been lost, this is admitted at the highest level. But several hundred thousand mostly blue collar workers (those who cannot work from home) are being told to pack their lunch boxes and head off into the rampant spread on Monday.


  • #5346
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Might be a bit late in their early 20s to try and foster empathy for others. Do these people genuinely not give a sh1t about their grandparents or other vulnerable relatives?[/quote
    I thinks it’s unfair to go down the empathy route when there is also a lack of empathy shown towards them.
    Expecting a teenager or young adult to live like a hermit indefinitely is not credible . The virus is not a particular danger to them so once again how do you convince them to place their life and interactions with their peers on hold?


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  • #5347
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I'd love to see an update to the app where you input a unique code upon vaccination. It may treat close contact alerts differently then. But it could also show you number of vaccinated people as a total, like it does with check-ins.

    Without it, people will likely get the jab and then just delete the app maybe. But it would drive more engagement and be a great place to track % vaccinated. Given the level of care that was put into the app in terms of privacy, it would be a great way to identify those vaccinated.

    Medical records are confidential though. You might be okay with disclosing your medical status but others might not be.


  • #5348
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Important to note that there doesn’t appear to be an increase in kids in hospital

    https://twitter.com/cheungronny/status/1345307828119089152?s=21


  • #5349
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    splashuum wrote: »

    Seen this online but it sums it up very well .

    It doesn’t sum it up very well, its just typical social media “its just the flu” BS. If anyone, looking around the world, truly believes this is no different than our normal seasonal illnesses, they truly are ****ing stupid


  • #5350
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Amateur hour from the Irish government.

    Posters on here will still defend them to the hilt, they had 10 months to increase hospital capacity, no its the publics fault, delay in vaccine rollout, sure what's a few days, **** IT system which was at the limit several times during the last 10 months, it's the publics fault that the IT system can't cope.

    Then posters wonder why we have **** all confidence in this inept organisation rolling out a vaccine.


  • #5351
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I'd rather see a number with the proviso that it may be 5-10% off, than see the same number each day that is up to 400% off.

    I'm with you there. I think the huge back log needs to be stressed more. It might drive more behaviour towards compliance. They need to bluntly say, we cant give you case numbers today because the case numbers are so high our system can't process them. We are averaging 2,500 to 3, 000 a day, at a conservative estimate.


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  • #5352
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    581 people in hospital now, 50 in ICU. The RTE reported a day or two ago that NI have reached capacity.

    I know that this has been mentioned before but don't know where to find ... how many ICU beds do we have? About 300?


  • #5353
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    581 people in hospital now, 50 in ICU. The RTE reported a day or two ago that NI have reached capacity.

    I know that this has been mentioned before but don't know where to find ... how many ICU beds do we have? About 300?

    Approx 240


  • #5354
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Stheno wrote: »
    Approx 240

    I presume that's without private sector?


  • #5355
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Important to note that there doesn’t appear to be an increase in kids in hospital

    https://twitter.com/cheungronny/status/1345307828119089152?s=21

    Thanks for sharing this, might soothe a few minds.


  • #5356
    Stheno
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    xhomelezz wrote: »
    I presume that's without private sector?

    Yes. But I don't think the private sector ever took in Covid ICU patients

    At the peak I think we had 160 in ICU


  • #5357
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Might be a bit late in their early 20s to try and foster empathy for others. Do these people genuinely not give a sh1t about their grandparents or other vulnerable relatives?

    They don't think about stuff like that

    That comes with age and experience


  • #5358
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Posters on here will still defend them to the hilt, they had 10 months to increase hospital capacity, no its the publics fault, delay in vaccine rollout, sure what's a few days, **** IT system which was at the limit several times during the last 10 months, it's the publics fault that the IT system can't cope.

    Then posters wonder why we have **** all confidence in this inept organisation rolling out a vaccine.

    The usual response to our own failings is to distract us with Britain and America.

    We've all seen through that tactic by now.


  • #5359
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Important to note that there doesn’t appear to be an increase in kids in hospital

    https://twitter.com/cheungronny/status/1345307828119089152?s=21

    Was the matron faithfully reported or was she just talking shoite?

    Or is this consultant the one talking shoite?

    That's the problem with twitter


  • #5360
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Might be a bit late in their early 20s to try and foster empathy for others. Do these people genuinely not give a sh1t about their grandparents or other vulnerable relatives?[/quote
    I thinks it’s unfair to go down the empathy route when there is also a lack of empathy shown towards them.
    Expecting a teenager or young adult to live like a hermit indefinitely is not credible . The virus is not a particular danger to them so once again how do you convince them to place their life and interactions with their peers on hold?

    They are not being expected to live like hermits. They are being asked to modify their behaviours when they do meet. There are people having to live like hermits carrying huge loads of responsibility through this.


  • #5361
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So any suggestions how you will make young people who for the most part are fit and healthy live like hermits?
    Although just as an aside the first baby born of the new year was to a young mum who looked happy and healthy also positive for Covid 19 on RTE yesterday.Despite everything said here as far as young people are concerned the virus is of little consequence to them.

    No parties for starters.
    That doesn't mean you have to be a hermit.

    The more people have parties, the more likely further restrictions will happen.


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  • #5362
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    To give an idea of what it can get to,

    Hungary a country with twice our population had these figures on December 13 near the crest of their 2nd,3rd wave
    There are currently 7,646 patients hospitalized with the coronavirus, 606 of whom are on ventilators.

    They had fairly uncontrolled spread for a long time, so worst case scenario here i would suggest is have 2000 COVID patients and 200 in ICU.


  • #5363
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blade1 wrote: »
    No parties for starters.
    That doesn't mean you have to be a hermit.

    The more people have parties, the more likely further restrictions will happen.

    It wasn’t teenagers that set up the Shebeen the guards found a few days ago. Very few early 20 somethings own there own homes and have the money to set up a shebeen either.
    Pretty much at the limit of restrictions now. It’s just a matter of what will give first.


  • #5364
    Blanco100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    StevenToast wrote: »
    Dont worry everyone....Ryan Tubridy will come back from his well deserved Christmas break soon.....

    He will soothe the nation with his wise words and assure us that everything will be fine...

    Doesnt matter if its true or not...everything will be fine.....because Tubridy is the king of kindness...we dont deserve him....he should be paid €1million a year for his role as a national treasure during this pandemic...

    Had to laugh at this. Can actually hear Tubs ****ing on about kindness being the thing to kill this disease.

    Everyone needs to be kind to each other i.e please don't slag me on social media for being a ****e overpaid TV host. Let me live in my perpetual bubble where everything is wonderful and the pseudo intellectual that I am can provide fluffy sound bites that make me feel I'm lifting the nation's spirits single handedly. Real irishness about it all.


  • #5365
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Stheno wrote: »
    Yes. But I don't think the private sector ever took in Covid ICU patients

    At the peak I think we had 160 in ICU

    Must be terrible for hospital staff now waiting for the tsunami to hit in the next few days. I work in the public service and my job is essential, i meet up to 30 people a day and work with about 10 others in a department behind the scenes....people come with other people in cars and they go for take away coffees while waiting and congregate.....totally not necessary in my opinion, the gov could easily shut our place and make arrangements for people to go online......


  • #5366
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    The blame game and the panic is now at fever pitch. I think now is the time to stay home and watch Netflix. Hunker down for a few weeks (not difficult in January) and we will knock these numbers on the head pretty quickly. We cannot control what has already happened but we can control what will happen - and the vaccination programme is critical in that.


  • #5367
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    Had to laugh at this. Can actually hear Tubs ****ing on about kindness being the thing to kill this disease.

    Everyone needs to be kind to each other i.e please don't slag me on social media for being a ****e overpaid TV host. Let me live in my perpetual bubble where everything is wonderful and the pseudo intellectual that I am can provide fluffy sound bites that make me feel I'm lifting the nation's spirits single handedly. Real irishness about it all.

    Remember when he tried to be super kind and said if he was a young student he would love to go on the town too and not to blame the young for being young, meanwhile the week before he was asking us all to stay at home....


  • #5368
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It wasn’t teenagers that set up the Shebeen the guards found a few days ago. Very few early 20 somethings own there own homes and have the money to set up a shebeen either.
    Pretty much at the limit of restrictions now. It’s just a matter of what will give first.

    I didn't mention teenagers.
    I said people (humans)
    Young and old.


  • #5369
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    brookers wrote: »
    Remember when he tried to be super kind and said if he was a young student he would love to go on the town too and not to blame the young for being young, meanwhile the week before he was asking us all to stay at home....

    One thing that will change from this is my relationship with RTÉ.


  • #5370
    [Deleted User]
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    Have a stomach bug at the minute, tried calling my local GP and he is closed. Tried the family GP and also closed. Googled GPs close to me and all closed.

    Out of hours number is ringing out.
    Christmas holidays I guess.

    Only in Ireland.

    Can only imagine how many people are desperate to get in contact with their GP for Covid.


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  • #5371
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I'm with you there. I think the huge back log needs to be stressed more. It might drive more behaviour towards compliance. They need to bluntly say, we cant give you case numbers today because the case numbers are so high our system can't process them. We are averaging 2,500 to 3, 000 a day, at a conservative estimate.

    They also need to separate it from untested estimates. I remember telling my mam that back in April numbers were way off due to testing limitations, and no one really knew the true extent. Now she sees ~1,700 cases and I’m telling her in reality it’s 4-5k a day and she thinks “ah, like in March”. Whereas now, this backlog is in fact mostly tested & actually confirmed cases and there’s yet another set of undetected cases as well as this backlog.


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