Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

hmmm wrote: »

But at a huge economic cost. I know we all want the figures to go down, but you get to a point of diminishing returns on restrictions where you are (e.g.) telling business that are mostly outdoors to close, or telling shops they can't run a bare-bones click and collect service.

You could just as easily say that people working at home are a risk because they may require visits from broadband engineers, and we should be turning off all broadband services to reduce the risk. Suspend all post because the postman might have breathed on the envelope. Close all supermarkets and give everyone a sack of turnips for the month.

Ridiculous scenarios, but you might see my point.

I know you admit yourself they are ridiculous scenarios, but they aren't comparable really are they?

Let's say you had to have a broadband engineer over - well that would be one person, preferably once. A high street retail store could have 200 people pass through a day. What you've outlined there are admittedly ridiculous scenarios but it doesn't mean that therefore closing non-essential retail is equally as ridiculous. There is some logic behind it

I thought it was fairly clear that the purpose of closing essential retail is not they are vectors in and of themselves, but that the spread of the disease has become so wide that as much absolutely non-essential mixing and opportunities has to be minimised.

ElJeffe wrote: »

I hear you but Covid running rampant for months is worse for the economy than a proper lockdown. It was time for big boys pants weeks ago and we failed miserably.

So you would have ended our last 6 week lockdown with an even harsher lockdown.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine is made in Ireland right? So must be so annoying to see it shipped out of country.

It’s not manufactured in Ireland

Stheno wrote: »

Its not its made in Belgium iirc

But it come here for quality check before getting shipped all over the world.?

ElJeffe wrote: »

Yes, as iv'e stated many times. Our 6 week "lockdown" didn't work.

So is it time to get rid of nphet and Tony as they recommended opening.

Is there any HSE Covid-19 daily operations update on hospital numbers tonight?

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

You would need a much larger sample and the stats broken down to only include the new variant to draw any conclusions. I'd be surprised if the UK doesn't have data at this stage and you have to think they would be saying something if they thought anomalies existed.

The UK are seeing the new variant is the more common variant in children and teens, but reason for this is not clear.

https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1344774576371335175?s=21

niallo27 wrote: »

So is it time to get rid of nphet and Tony as they recommended opening.

Tbf, they didn't.

Cases could be at zero and they wouldn't recommend opening anything and Tony would be deeply concerned about something.
Not concerned about other things in the health service mind you but, he'd come up with something.

Why are NPHET using the word "rampant" when there is no basis for doing so?

niallo27 wrote: »

So is it time to get rid of nphet and Tony as they recommended opening.

Will you stop. I mean do you ever get tired of fighting with your fingernails. The one thing I have noted is the far more measured posting on this thread now that the vast majority of the loonies shouting about civil liberties and the restriction hoax being pulled on us all have left.

NPHET and Tony have been shown to have been pretty on the money the whole way through this with their very cautious approach. The amazement and horror at the people with the stats, data, experience, and skillsets in this area actually know what they are talking about must be shocking to many here claiming all sorts of disgusting things about them on this thread.

We are now though at a point where all the recriminations and arguments about the past get us nowhere.

Deleted User wrote: »

Because lockdown doesn’t work at all unless you stay there until the majority are vaccinated. And that’s unsustainable

The purposes of lockdown isn't to get the number of cases down to zero and for everything to be alright again, it's to stop the disease from getting out of control and overwhelming the health system. That was the point of the first one, the second one and this third one and, who knows, there may have to be a fourth one.

Why do you consistently always present this strawman that lockdowns don't work because they don't eliminate the virus?

That's not what they are for. They are to protect the population and the health system against a surge in the disease

chicorytip wrote: »

Why are NPHET using the word "rampant" when there is no basis for doing so?

I think it was Paul Reid. Not exactly a specific or fixed definition for what rampant means in terms of virus. Why would you oppose it being used out of curiosity?