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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4862
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    nialler1978 wrote: »
    Hello, I am sorry if this is in the wrong place. I am not using this site regularly and am new.

    I am wondering if anyone knows about children playing in clubs, my son is in a youth academy and they were in bubbles of 15, is this all finished now? We haven’t heard from the club obviously time of year that is understandable but is it all called to a halt now?

    Thanks.
    I'm fairly sure it is, sorry


  • #4863
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Stheno wrote: »
    Would you stop having galloping hysterics just for one day?

    Seriously

    Did you tell other posters to stop with their hysterics?


  • #4864
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    nialler1978 wrote: »
    Hello, I am sorry if this is in the wrong place. I am not using this site regularly and am new.

    I am wondering if anyone knows about children playing in clubs, my son is in a youth academy and they were in bubbles of 15, is this all finished now? We haven’t heard from the club obviously time of year that is understandable but is it all called to a halt now?

    Thanks.

    I'd imagine it would and should be shutting down for a couple of months at least.

    Sorry


  • #4865
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    khalessi wrote: »
    Not trying to scare

    https://twitter.com/LivEchonews/status/1345021484662665217

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1345098511520563200

    I remember saying back in March and April, what would happen if this affected children and young, and the replies where "well it doesn't so it doesn't matter how we act...." fast forward 8 months and now there is concern.

    If this gets out of hand in Ireland - i wonder how many of those posters with kids who flaunted the rules will change their mind.

    I wonder how many people will tell their neighbours holding house parties to cop on.

    Basically how many people will get their sh!t together more if it's their child, or their young nieces/nephews that are at risk, instead of Karen's granny across the road. How many play ground and parks will be full of kids now...


  • #4866
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭jackboy


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Is this actually shown in the statistics? Surely we have numbers of infection rates broken down by age group with hospital admissions. I have to believe this would be a bigger story if we were actually seeing increases in instance rates of serious illness in kids.

    If huge numbers are getting infected then some children are going to have bad outcomes, that is totally expected. However, most children will be absolutely fine. Also, a lot of children have other health issues making them vulnerable to Covid.


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  • #4867
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1345006866829463552?s=20

    Matron of a hospital in London talking about how the new strain of virus is affected children and younger people much more. Wards full of sick children not seen previously in the year

    Is this because of its increased capacity to spread or are we dealing with something that's just gotten more deadly to young people all of a sudden?


  • #4868
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    nialler1978 wrote: »
    Hello, I am sorry if this is in the wrong place. I am not using this site regularly and am new.

    I am wondering if anyone knows about children playing in clubs, my son is in a youth academy and they were in bubbles of 15, is this all finished now? We haven’t heard from the club obviously time of year that is understandable but is it all called to a halt now?

    Thanks.

    All group training is gone until at least 31 January, so it’s finished till then.


  • #4869
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    Is this because of its increased capacity to spread or are we dealing with something that's just gotten more deadly to young people all of a sudden?

    Dealing with someting that just got more deadly to young people if what is happening in UK anything to go by.

    The argument of I will do what I want it only kills old people is on its way out the door.


  • #4870
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Shabby workmanship Ted.

    Seriously having a backlog of 9k cases is very bad. The ordinary Joe or Mary who rely on RTE don't know about the backlog or what it all means. It shows the HSE/NPET up as being the incompetent organisation many of us feared. In this day and age there is no excuse for this backlog other than complete.and utter incompetence of the highest order. How are we to believe any of their projections when they can't handle basic data.
    If they know so much why weren't they prepared for the surge in numbers that would come with the Xmas period? I get that they are not to blame for the rise in numbers but they should certainly still have been prepared.


  • #4871
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Is this actually shown in the statistics? Surely we have numbers of infection rates broken down by age group with hospital admissions. I have to believe this would be a bigger story if we were actually seeing increases in instance rates of serious illness in kids.

    Yeh I’m a bit surprised media isn’t all over this story.

    Statistically speaking, with virus now at its peak in terms of spread it’s unfortunately bound to start hurting more younger people.

    I was wondering if testing capacity has increased in countries because if it hasn’t then as the virus goes out of control you effectively don’t really know the state of play. Of course the increase in percentage testing positive is an indicator but as numbers surge (like in Ireland where they can’t handle the testing admin and even ask close contacts just to isolate) you really are left just looking at hospitals as an indicator.

    As a parent of 3 I’d rather believe that the increase in children in hospital is more an indication of how badly the virus has seeded into population as opposed to there being a new strain that is more dangerous to children.


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  • #4872
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    They keep saying the formal reporting of cases does not impact on case management. Surely there is a workflow hanging off the formal reporting of a case? Why take action on informal data?


  • #4873
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    Is this because of its increased capacity to spread or are we dealing with something that's just gotten more deadly to young people all of a sudden?

    Other children in that age range have died previously due to Covod in the UK

    The new variant is still being analysed and its effects observed


  • #4874
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    jackboy wrote: »


    If huge numbers are getting infected then some children are going to have bad outcomes, that is totally expected. However, most children will be absolutely fine. Also, a lot of children have other health issues making them vulnerable to Covid.

    We are at a place now similar to last March. It was rampant last march and there wasn't a hospital ward full of kids back then. There is now. I know it's in the UK but that is too close to home.


  • #4875
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    I remember saying back in March and April, what would happen if this affected children and young, and the replies where "well it doesn't so it doesn't matter how we act...." fast forward 8 months and now there is concern.

    If this gets out of hand in Ireland - i wonder how many of those posters with kids who flaunted the rules will change their mind.

    I wonder how many people will tell their neighbours holding house parties to cop on.

    Basically how many people will get their sh!t together more if it's their child, or their young nieces/nephews that are at risk, instead of Karen's granny across the road. How many play ground and parks will be full of kids now...

    It will probably change people's attitudes a lot, a child dieing is a lot more tragic than someone in their 80s and don't pretend it's not. Whats your point anyway.


  • #4876
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    jackboy wrote: »


    If huge numbers are getting infected then some children are going to have bad outcomes, that is totally expected. However, most children will be absolutely fine. Also, a lot of children have other health issues making them vulnerable to Covid.

    Huge numbers were getting invected in the first wave and that nurse is pointing out that they didn't have these kinds of cases. Of course, it makes sense that there will be bad outcomes for a small number of people in very low-risk age groups but she is saying that it looks statistically far different in terms of the number of cases they are seeing in these age groups with bad symptoms.

    I don't think any of us should jump to conclusions that we know anything really considering this is a new strain that we are still studying and trying to understand.

    One person is anecdotal evidence though and we would need to see cold hard statistics.


  • #4877
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Did you tell other posters to stop with their hysterics?


    Zero covid as a policy is about as realistic as letting it rip. Both are not going to happen.


  • #4878
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,074 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    As someone who has been posting about Covid on boards.ie before it was even considered a pandemic, I feel that it would be the right thing to do to let you all know that I went and got tested earlier today. So far I am feeling fine, as are the other close contacts who had to get tested after the same socialising. The last few days have been filled with anxiety and dread (maybe because I know more about the virus and its potential effects than most) and it is not something I would wish on anyone. I would urge all of you to not let your guard down in order to avoid finding yourself in my current position. The current situation is far graver than anything we have seen since March and all you need to do is make the wrong decision once to feel the consequences.

    I hope beyond hope that I end up testing negative when the HSE gets back to me but if not, let this post be a +1 in the many morality lessons emerging from the Covid chronicles in terms of avoiding unnecessary social contact.

    I hope negative for you, your family and friends
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4879
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    To fcuk with the border.
    What do you mean by "to fvck with the border"?

    What are you proposing?

    We can't close the border. I mean, physically, we cannot close it. There are too many border crossings to be able to stop people crossing it.

    So what is it you think could be done about the border issue?


  • #4880
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Why did we not go for zero covid? This is the price we're paying now.

    You've been on this forum long enough to know why zero covid isn't a runner, it's been explained hundreds of times


  • #4881
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It will probably change people's attitudes a lot, a child dieing is a lot more tragic than someone in their 80s and don't pretend it's not. Whats your point anyway.

    That's sad though - that people will change their attitude for one cohort of society but not another. If the same level of respect and mindfulness was done by all, we wouldn't be in this mess now.


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  • #4882
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    khalessi wrote: »
    Dealing with someting that just got more deadly to young people if what is happening in UK anything to go by.

    The argument of I will do what I want it only kills old people is on its way out the door.

    I would really not rush to judgement on that one!
    Lots of evidence needs to be weighed up.


  • #4883
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I would really not rush to judgement on that one!
    Lots of evidence needs to be weighed up.

    Fair enough


  • #4884
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    That's sad though - that people will change their attitude for one cohort of society but not another. If the same level of respect and mindfulness was done by all, we wouldn't be in this mess now.

    It's people's kids, of course their attitudes will change.


  • #4885
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I really like her. She's constantly in a roy keane Saipan mood.

    It's reassuring that we still have good people willing to speak out on our behalf. I hope they listen.

    And she does get in a dig in about the Covid App.


  • #4886
    Night owl gal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Night owl gal


    Night owl gal wrote: »
    any country breakdown numbers today?

    never mind, I found them :)


  • #4887
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    The key to successful PR is to refine and repeat your messaging.
    NPHET have done exactly the right thing in constantly repeating phrases and mantras.
    It's probably what they've been taught to do.

    PTD is just completely incorrect

    Thats all well and good when what you are describing is consistent, but its not. You can't use the same language to describe 10, 50, 200 or 1700 cases. Every week he is concerned no matter how good or bad cases or hospitalisations are.
    By all means refine and repeat but when you don't differentiate your concern level people will ultimately switch off and not take notice anymore.


  • #4888
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We are at a place now similar to last March. It was rampant last march and there wasn't a hospital ward full of kids back then. There is now. I know it's in the UK but that is too close to home.

    It is possible that we are in a worse place now than last March. Until I have hard science to show me what's what I won't pay attention to the speculation.


  • #4889
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Anybody ever look at these graphs on worldometer

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections

    I don’t know how to add the graph here but if you scroll down to “ daily infections and testing”, in the absolute best case scenario it has Ireland still having circa 1300 cases a day by April 1st?!!! And that’s working off a max daily of 2750 which we prob already surpassed ! It’s also working off the assumption that numbers will rise until middle of Feb , that doesn’t sound right surely?

    Does this sound right? I’d of thought or hoped that by mid to late Jan we would hopefully maxed out daily cases?!

    Edit: just noticed that was last updated on 23 Dec and hasn’t factored in our huge surge :(


  • #4890
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It is possible that we are in a worse place now than last March. Until I have hard science to show me what's what I won't pay attention to the speculation.

    I don't get this post. Who cares about last March at this stage. We are in the ****ter. Knowing how deep we are in it relative to last March doesn't really help pull us out of the current ****ter.


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  • #4891
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    I don't get this post. Who cares about last March at this stage. We are in the ****ter. Knowing how deep we are in it relative to last March doesn't really help pull us out of the current ****ter.

    It was in response to away with the fairies post.


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