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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • #5792
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    But it happened, the same as any other all ireland win. Funny enough, nothing changed in the leinster championship procession in this wild and wonderful year... You are just dismissing it because it doesnt suit your narrative.

    Kerry have feck all advantages in munster compared to dublins advantages over everyone else. That is the reality.

    It did happen and it was wonderful. However it does not change the fact that for the last 70 years Munster has been a two horse race and for some of that time a one horse race.

    Tipp's win does not change the fact that Kerry are a football county operating in a predominantly Hurling Province.

    Dublin operate in a predominantly football province


  • #5793
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    I’m challenging you on you misunderstanding of a term, you chose to deflect. Accept you are wrong and we can move on. Winning AI’s never gets boring. I was long enough going to games and losing. Something you know all about.

    If you choose to ignore the Collins English dictionary and continue to use financial doping as a description you are lying. There is no other term for it.

    Oh you are back. You announced that you were leaving it there. What made you return? Your rhetoric narrative being exposed as bs I assume?

    No that isnt what you are doing. You are trying to pretend that financial doping can only apply to the two exact examples offered on the collins website. Anyone with half a brain can see that this is a nonsense stance to take and seem more like the last gasps of a floundering argument, which is exactly what your stance is. Dublins extensive financial doping has rendered their successes moot. The gaa are taking your money, that is basically the long and short of it.


  • #5794
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭ooter


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Nor is it Kerry's fault in munster...
    You seem to be arguing against your own points here.

    Would you like to be able to beat kerry in a fair contest?

    Maybe if you defined fair contest I might be able to answer it?
    When the dublin senior hurlers take to the field are they playing in a fair contest, again I'll use kilkenny* as an example?
    * Not ciaran Kilkenny


  • #5795
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    tritium wrote: »
    They can and do, end of

    In all fairness, if they did then they wouldnt have needed the financial doping in the first place...
    Winning post doping isnt really worth a whole lot. Fair enough, it will get a few fairweather fans onside, but any self respecting sports fan knows it means little. Id have thought proper fans would want their team to beat their rivals on their own merits


  • #5796
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ooter wrote: »
    Maybe if you defined fair contest I might be able to answer it?
    When the dublin senior hurlers take to the field are they playing in a fair contest, again I'll use kilkenny* as an example?
    * Not ciaran Kilkenny

    A contest where the competitors get something representing equal treatment. For example, when a county has massive population advantages and regularly contest the latter stages, dont go pushing them miles ahead in every way you can think of, with taxpayers money, as that is unfair treatment. Not rocket science surely...


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  • #5797
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭ooter


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    A contest where the competitors get something representing equal treatment. For example, when a county has massive population advantages and regularly contest the latter stages, dont go pushing them miles ahead in every way you can think of, with taxpayers money, as that is unfair treatment. Not rocket science surely...

    But in the example I used kilkenny aren't getting equal treatment but will handily beat dublin who have all the advantages you mentioned.
    Dublin's population isn't changing any day soon so I guess we'll never get to see that fair contest you've defined.


  • #5798
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    I made a decision after his last deflection to hit the ignore button. Life’s to short.

    And yet you are still responding...
    Seems when you cant win the argument you can always take the passive aggressive option of pretending to have some moral high ground.

    Your argument was basically, dublin cant be financially doped because the examples of financial doping on the collins website described it in the context of professional soccer. It is disingenuous and I dont believe for a second that you actually believe it yourself.


  • #5799
    Enquiring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    In fairness, MayoAreMagic has a point. Dublin supporters know about the serious level of cash invested which has led to huge success, not just in senior football. You've all looked at the figures in games development received, you've all looked at the sponsorship money Dublin have received. You got to see the Dublin County Board accounts from 2016, it shows extraordinary amounts of spending. You can call it financial doping or whatever you want, the fact is that Dublin have achieved unprecedented levels of success after they were granted millions of euros. That is a fact. An undeniable fact.


  • #5800
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    That i simply bot the truth. I have answered pretty much every point you have raised. You seem to think that because i ask if dubs would like to beat teams on an even keel that I am a wum, but think of it objectively - if someone is in competition with advantages and they are winning, an obvious question for them is, would you not like to go after it and win it outright, without all these advantages.
    Think of a guy at the darts playing 2 foot nearer the board. He is going great and winning well - the obvious development is for him to go back 2 foot and try to take on the best players properly because at the end of the day, nobody wants to be the guy who needed to go 2 foot nearer the board to win a match.

    You specifically referenced Kerry. I pointed out that Kerry are at no great disadvantage compared to Dublin and when they play the field is very even.

    But as always you've chosen to ignore that


  • #5801
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    dunnerc wrote: »
    In my opinion you are not a reasonable person , and any reasonable person on here can see through your biased anti Dublin nonsense

    And in my opinion, you know you cannot counter the poibts put forward, so you try to make the discussion about me


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  • #5802
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭ooter


    The dublin senior hurlers have gone backwards since winning a leinster in 2013, that's an undeniable fact, despite all the development money, sponsorship and spending.


  • #5803
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ShyMets wrote: »
    You specifically referenced Kerry. I pointed out that Kerry are at no great disadvantage compared to Dublin and when they play the field is very even.

    But as always you've chosen to ignore that

    Actually, in turn I pointed out that the issues you raised with kerry, also applied to dublin. You didnt address that fact.


  • #5804
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ooter wrote: »
    The dublin senior hurlers have gone backwards since winning a leinster in 2013, that's an undeniable fact, despite all the development money, sponsorship and spending.

    Will they be giving all the money back then?


  • #5805
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Actually, in turn I pointed out that the issues you raised with kerry, also applied to dublin. You didnt address that fact.

    No. Leinster is a predominantly footballing province. Munster is not. The point I made which you've chosen ignore again, is that for the last 70 odd years Kerry for quite a bit of the time have had their own way in Munster.


  • #5806
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭ooter


    I'm guessing they won't be giving the money back, but I can't answer that question.


  • #5807
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ShyMets wrote: »
    No. Leinster is a predominantly footballing province. Munster is not. The point I made which you've chosen ignore again, is that for the last 70 odd years Kerry for quite a bit of the time have had their own way in Munster.

    It isnt though. You offered some fairly flawed logic where you ignored the most recent championship and ignored the fact that cork won sam in one of the years you listed.
    Furthermore, you seem to fail to understand that kerry achieved these things from equal footing to the average county, so finding fault with them makes no sense. They ate in fact, the example to follow. They also show that the dublin project is in fact hugely wasteful of resources.


  • #5808
    Enquiring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Will they be giving all the money back then?

    It's a pity you can see posts from posters you have on ignore when they're quoted.

    I can't believe that poster is still replying to me with the same point weeks after I put them on ignore for replying to me with the same point over and over. :pac:

    Just to reinforce that the point he's making is complete nonsense and not he gotcha he thinks it is. 16 titles have been won by Dublin hurling teams in the 20 years post funding, they won 1 title in the 20 years pre funding.


  • #5809
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ooter wrote: »
    I'm guessing they won't be giving the money back, but I can't answer that question.

    So you say the money didnt work, but you will be keeping it anyway. Handy that isnt it? Hard to take that seriously in all honesty. The reality is dublin hurling came on hugely post investment. The idea that because they didnt win the top trophy means they havent is painful to listen to, and right at home with the rest of the half-baked responses that try to justify the financial doping.


  • #5810
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭ooter


    I watched a programme the other night about the cork double in 1990 and they showed footage of the munster final, they said it was the 25th consecutive final involving cork and kerry. But sure that was grand.
    Kerry broke the rules on sponsorship and kit suppliers, that was grand too.


  • #5811
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    It isnt though. You offered some fairly flawed logic where you ignored the most recent championship and ignored the fact that cork won sam in one of the years you listed.
    Furthermore, you seem to fail to understand that kerry achieved these things from equal footing to the average county, so finding fault with them makes no sense. They ate in fact, the example to follow. They also show that the dublin project is in fact hugely wasteful of resources.

    Yep. It really is trying to pick up mercury with a fork. OK. Let's look at it this way. Kerry traditionally operated in Hurling province. This has meant that they have been able to throw the majority of their resources at football while their counterparts throw the majority at hurling. Which has meant Kerry have been the domainant force in Munster for 70 odd years.

    By the way in 2010 Meath beat Dublin. The same year Cork won the all ireland


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  • #5812
    Enquiring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    ShyMets wrote: »
    Yep. It really is trying to pick up mercury with a fork. OK. Let's look at it this way. Kerry traditionally operated in Hurling province. This has meant that they have been able to throw the majority of their resources at football while their counterparts throw the majority at hurling. Which has meant Kerry have been the domainant force in Munster for 70 odd years.

    By the way in 2010 Meath beat Dublin. The same year Cork won the all ireland

    Have Kerry received about 25 million in Games Development funding this century? Do Kerry receive 1.5 million in sponsorship every year? Do Kerry spend over 2 million on wages and salaries every year? Do Kerry spend over 2 million on administrative and other expenses every year? Do Kerry spend 1.5 million on team expenses every year?


  • #5813
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Enquiring wrote: »
    Have Kerry received about 25 million in Games Development funding this century? Do Kerry receive 1.5 million in sponsorship every year? Do Kerry spend over 2 million on wages and salaries every year? Do Kerry spend over 2 million on administrative and other expenses every year? Do Kerry spend 1.5 million on team expenses every year?

    Being entirely honest I don't what Kerry spend or receive. You have Dublins figures at hand. So perhaps you might be kind enough to supply us with Kerr'y's should you have them. My point was not about funding. I was pointing out the advantage kerry have operating in a mainly Hurling province

    On a side note who won the darts


  • #5814
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Enquiring wrote: »
    In fairness, MayoAreMagic has a point. Dublin supporters know about the serious level of cash invested which has led to huge success, not just in senior football. You've all looked at the figures in games development received, you've all looked at the sponsorship money Dublin have received. You got to see the Dublin County Board accounts from 2016, it shows extraordinary amounts of spending. You can call it financial doping or whatever you want, the fact is that Dublin have achieved unprecedented levels of success after they were granted millions of euros. That is a fact. An undeniable fact.
    And it's had an effect across the board. Women now dominating and could well go unbeaten for the next 10/15 years in finals. Basically a replica of the men just a few years behind the curve.

    The hurlers went from nobody's to beating kilkenny for the first since the 40's and winning the leinster in probably a similar amount of time. Same for the league. Now they are right up there in the chasing pack and primed to improve further. I don't know much about the camogie team. Has it improved since the early 00's?

    Of course 31 counties are just anti dublin and we all really love each other and only hate the dubs.


  • #5815
    Enquiring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    ShyMets wrote: »
    Being entirely honest I don't what Kerry spend or receive. You have Dublins figures at hand. So perhaps you might be kind enough to supply us with Kerr'y's should you have them. My point was not about funding. I was pointing out the advantage kerry have operating in a mainly Hurling province

    On a side note who won the darts

    Kerry received 730,000 in Games Development funding between 2007 and 2017. So let's say a million compared to Dublin's 25 million. Kerry usually spend over 1 million on team preparation per year but that includes travel costs which amount to a lot. I don't know the exact figures for Kerry except to say that it's nowhere near Dublin's.

    Half of the counties of Munster have won provincial titles in the past 15 years. Only 2/11 counties in Leinster have won provincial titles in the same timeframe. And 1 county has won every title bar 1.

    Kerry may have advantages but compared to the money issue with Dublin, it's not in the same league.


  • #5816
    Enquiring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    And it's had an effect across the board. Women now dominating and could well go unbeaten for the next 10/15 years in finals. Basically a replica of the men just a few years behind the curve.

    The hurlers went from nobody's to beating kilkenny for the first since the 40's and winning the leinster in probably a similar amount of time. Same for the league. Now they are right up there in the chasing pack and primed to improve further. I don't know much about the camogie team. Has it improved since the early 00's?

    Of course 31 counties are just anti dublin and we all really love each other and only hate the dubs.

    They had to end the Leinster championship in women's football. Dublin hurlers never won a competition with their own players. It's very hard to find information on Camógie, only to say that Dublin used to win All Ireland's regularly.

    It's about 100 titles won in Dublin GAA post funding. It really is a huge amount.


  • #5817
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,257 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    In 30 years, you wonder how dublins [insert number here] in row will be viewed. Will hindsight make people watch reeling in the years and wonder how the gaa got is so wrong? Will this great run of wins, that they are now so proud of, become an albatross around the neck of dublin, by reminding people of how a corrupted system ruined a sport as it was coming into a golden age, and how the dubs needed this corrupted system to manage to get people interested in the game in the capital, not to mention win something.
    The funds are often spoken about, but what is telling to me is the shamefully low level of funds that dubs raise within the county out of their own pockets. Actions speak a 1000 words.

    It will be ruled by respected commentators and intelligent sports minded people that Dublin assembled a super squad of talented players, that they worked extremely hard..on and off the field with their ability and teamwork to enable the success and coordinate progress of talent from underage, minor and into senior squad and team... no mystery...fantastic achievement.. a team for the ages... long may it continue.


  • #5818
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    There is nothing to be enjoyed to be honest about it. Why not answer the question?

    Go away with your nonsense now , to much drink me thinks :rolleyes:


  • #5819
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,257 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    That isnt even the case now, nevermind in the future.
    Sounds a lot like wishful thinking to be honest

    Not posting thoughts , just facts, there for all to see. :)


  • #5820
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    nialler1978 wrote: »
    2011 was absolute bliss, but so has every other one. Makes it all the sweeter when i see or her this type of stuff. Its mayo always. Sad stuff at this hour obsessing.

    I wouldnt agree. I wouldnt want my own county to win a single one of the recent all irelands in the manner dublin have won them in, genuinely. They are a total cod.
    Have you the courage to address the post honestly? Nobody has so far.


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  • #5821
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Generally when someone posts nonsense about Dublin GAA at 12.30am - 01.10 am , the idea is to goad the Dublin Posters into a response i suppose , judging by the reponses from this poster , one can only assume the poster is Full of Drink , or totally obsessed with Dublin ;)

    But it isnt nonsense. It is the truth.
    As for this nonsense about being drunk. You are posting also, so are therefore drunk also? It is just misdirection. You are afraid to respond honestly to the question, because you cant come up with a decent counter-argument.


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