The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Rosita

Enquiring wrote: »

Amazingly, Longford were able to compete with Dublin before the millions of euros took effect. It's crazy the difference money can make.

1976 Leinster quarter final - Dublin 5-16 Longford 0-7. Really good All Ireland winning Dublin teams winning big over Longford is not new. Not sure where you get the illusion that they were somehow equals until recently.

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

Dublin can play as many games as you like outside of Dublin. Then when no fûcker.. Dublin fan or opposition fan can get tickets... uproar from both sides... works fine in the league, Dublin travel without complaint or quibble.

Fitzgerald Stadium has only about 49% capacity of Croker. 38,000....9,000 of which are seated....sound reasonable to have an all Ireland quarter or semi final there ? Not to me it doesn’t.

Does Fitzgerald have boxes / suites that can be used as a revenue generator to fund the sport from junior to senior, countrywide ? Genuine question, as the majority of its website is dedicated to reminding, reminiscing about the Kerry glory years... no actual technical information.

I was just letting you know about how close Longford were to Dublin pre funding and reminding you of Dublins last away Leinster championship match. 2006!

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

I cant believe this thread still has legs and this is the most ridiculous comment I have seen on it, embarrassing

Dublin lost to Laois, Westmeath and nearly lost to Longford, all in a couple of years in the mid noughties. That's where Dublin were. They had some talented youngsters coming through though. Coinciding with the huge number of professional coaches strangely.

Enquiring

Rosita wrote: »

1976 Leinster quarter final - Dublin 5-16 Longford 0-7. Really good All Ireland winning Dublin teams winning big over Longford is not new. Not sure where you get the illusion that they were somehow equals until recently.

Oh no, it was clear that Dublin and Kerry were way ahead of everyone else up till the 90's. Things had changed though, other counties were catching up. In fact, many counties had overtaken Dublin. Kildare and Meath were giving Dublin trimmings in Leinster and then Laois and Westmeath and nearly Longford were getting in on the act.

That's why Bailey went begging for money in the 90's. He saw what was happening. In a fair competition, Dublin were being bested by teams with a far smaller population. Couldn't be having that so in came Bertie to the rescue.

ooter

Ah it's leinster championship now, nice movement of the goalposts there.
Championship is championship.
Again, they've had 4 away games in leinster since 2006.

Strumms

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Wouldnt agree. How many dublin fans would travel to fitzgerald stadium consistently for a start? Are dublin even getting 40,000 on their own doorstep in croke park for leinster games these days? I dont think they are. So you would imagine that moving it elsewhere would be a positive thing. Mayo played kerry in limerick in an all ireland semi final and it was a brilliant occasion with an atmosphere superior to many ive attended in cp.
Re boxes, they can pay for a seat the same as everyone else. Gaa is a sport of the common person first and foremost. There are lots of towns that could really do with the business championship games could generate. That is more important than placating some sh*thouse who would only attend in a corporate box, for my money anyway. The whole thing shouldnt hinge on grabbing every cent possible.

Dublin vs Kildare 2017...Attendance ... 66,734 for example turned up.

Positive thing not to play in croker ? If there are 60 thousand plus people demanding tickets the fair outcome is to play a match in a venue that can enable as much demand as possible to be catered for... ?

You’d rather that match take place in a venue with about half that capacity, turning up.

It’s game of the ‘common person’... so play it where you can accommodate as many as possible but the game costs to run... and corporate facilities and entertainment do their share as a revenue generating facet of and for the GAA... it’s not just Dublin who benefit from that.... every sport, athletics, soccer, tennis the same... or maybe the GAA should have gone a different way, forget corporate facilities and when the likes of people are complaining about investment and lack of facilities assistance from the GAA, they can be happy they contributed to killing a revenue stream that can and does help GAA nationwide.

Rosita

Enquiring wrote: »

Oh no, it was clear that Dublin and Kerry were way ahead of everyone else up till the 90's. Things had changed though, other counties were catching up. In fact, many counties had overtaken Dublin. Kildare and Meath were giving Dublin trimmings in Leinster and then Laois and Westmeath and nearly Longford were getting in on the act.

That's why Bailey went begging for money in the 90's. He saw what was happening. In a fair competition, Dublin were being bested by teams with a far smaller population. Couldn't be having that so in came Bertie to the rescue.

Meath, Kildare, Laois, Westmeath and Longford caught up so much that Leinster huffed and puffed to just two All Ireland titles between 1995 and 2011?

RoyalCelt

ArielAtom wrote: »

Dob, I was merely pointing out that Tis not only Dublin in receipt of sponsorship. HNY to you and yours.

Everyone receives sponsorship. The point is Dublin get a hell of a lot more. It's another natural advantage enjoyed by the capital. No matter how much others get their house in order they'll never be able to match dublin here so should receive more funding to help level the playing field.

Unfortunately the gaa will always give dublin the most, the population gap will grow forever and the dominance will get larger to the point of no return. Such a prestigious competition that grew in popularity for over 100 years is now in terminal decline. I'm just glad I witnessed the halcyon days. It was good while it lasted. On the bright side my savings account will benefit greatly. No more expensive match days for the family or neutral fixtures to attend for myself.

Enquiring

Rosita wrote: »

Meath, Kildare, Laois, Westmeath and Longford caught up so much that Leinster huffed and puffed to just two All Ireland titles between 1995 and 2011?

I said they caught up with Dublin and it's clear that they did. The province of Leinster may not have been the strongest but that included Dublin. Only Dublin were given access to millions of euros though. Changing the course of history.

Rosita

Enquiring wrote: »

I said they caught up with Dublin and it's clear that they did. The province of Leinster may not have been the strongest but that included Dublin. Only Dublin were given access to millions of euros though. Changing the course of history.

The province of Leinster was shocking. More like Dublin regressed. Happily at least one of the Leinster counties addressed their underperformance.

ArielAtom

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Everyone receives sponsorship. The point is Dublin get a hell of a lot more. It's another natural advantage enjoyed by the capital. No matter how much others get their house in order they'll never be able to match dublin here so should receive more funding to help level the playing field.

Unfortunately the gaa will always give dublin the most, the population gap will grow forever and the dominance will get larger to the point of no return. Such a prestigious competition that grew in popularity for over 100 years is now in terminal decline. I'm just glad I witnessed the halcyon days. It was good while it lasted. On the bright side my savings account will benefit greatly. No more expensive match days for the family or neutral fixtures to attend for myself.

Glad we have cleared that up. Corks sponsorship is for Football and Hurling, it does not take into Ladies football or Camogie. Ah the halycon days when meath hammered Dublin, I don't miss them days at all. I had to listen to my relations far to much crowing on about how much better meath were.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

I said they caught up with Dublin and it's clear that they did. The province of Leinster may not have been the strongest but that included Dublin. Only Dublin were given access to millions of euros though. Changing the course of history.

Unfortunately Dublin with a great number of people playing, ages, games, genders... were in need of what they received....

If the government were to give education grants by county... who gets the most ?

Yep....Dublin.

Why ? More schools, more students participating, same with the GAA, Dubs have more teams, more clubs, more players.

The argument people make is as if Longford should get the same as Cork... they shouldn’t, simply...

Enquiring

Rosita wrote: »

The province of Leinster was shocking. More like Dublin regressed. Happily at least one of the Leinster counties addressed their underperformance.

Dublin went begging for money while Meath were winning All Ireland's and Kildare reached an All Ireland final. I assume by 'addressed their underperformance', you're discussing the millions of euros pumped into Dublin GAA. I suppose if you can't compete fairly that's one way to go about it.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

Glad we have cleared that up. Corks sponsorship is for Football and Hurling, it does not take into Ladies football or Camogie. Ah the halycon days when meath hammered Dublin, I don't miss them days at all. I had to listen to my relations far to much crowing on about how much better meath were.

Dublin received 2.1 million is sponsorship in 2019.

The Dubs were seriously hurt by the beatings handed out to them. They wanted to change that by any means possible. Fair or unfair, they didnt care. They went down the unfair route.

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

Unfortunately Dublin with a great number of people playing, ages, games, genders... were in need of what they received....

If the government were to give education grants by county... who gets the most ?

Yep....Dublin.

Why ? More schools, more students participating, same with the GAA, Dubs have more teams, more clubs, more players.

The argument people make is as if Longford should get the same as Cork... they shouldn’t, simply...

Instead of comparing Cork and Longford, how about we compare Cork and Dublin. As you pointed out, Cork have a large number of clubs. They have a population of over 500,000. Large number of teams and players also.

Can you explain why Cork received 12.5 times less than Dublin in Games development funding this century?

tikkahunter

Enquiring wrote: »

Instead of comparing Cork and Longford, how about we compare Cork and Dublin. As you pointed out, Cork have a large number of clubs. They have a population of over 500,000. Large number of teams and players also.

Can you explain why Cork received 12.5 times less than Dublin in Games development funding this century?

How many primary schools have Cork and how many have Dublin ? That’s were the development funding goes not the clubs .

kilns

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin lost to Laois, save and nearly lost to Longford, all in a couple of years in the mid noughties. That's where Dublin were. They had some talented youngsters coming through though. Coinciding with the huge number of professional coaches strangely.

Again you make your sweeping statements without any backup, you stated up to funding Longford were competitive with Dublin based on one game. How much did Dublin beat Longford by the previous year, I will save you the search it was 19 points. Now do you think Dublins average winning margin against Longford up to 2006 was more reflective of 2006 or 2005, I know you won't answer.

But it you want to make sweeping statements, try and do a bit of research or else you end up looking silly.....

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

Again you make your sweeping statements without any backup, you stated up to funding Longford were competitive with Dublin based on one game. How much did Dublin beat Longford by the previous year, I will save you the search it was 19 months. Now do you think Dublins average winning margin against Longford up to 2006 was more reflective of 2006 or 2005, I know you won't answer.

But it you want to make sweeping statements, try and do a bit of research or else you end up looking silly.....

Dublin were at home the year before, maybe that's where the push for all Dublin championship games to be played in Croke park came from? They saw the difference it could make.

If thats the only thing that you can pick out from my extensive research, it tells me you're struggling pretty bad.

kilns

Enquiring wrote: »

Well at least you're posting in a reasonable manner and not resorting to abusive private messages!

Dublin were at home the year before, maybe that's where the push for all Dublin championship games to be played in Croke park came from? They saw the difference it could make.

If thats the only thing that you can pick out from my extensive research, it tells me you're struggling pretty bad.

Again had Longford caught up with Dublin? The answer is no and never will,

ooter

Again more, all of dublin's championship games are not played in croke park. But again it'll be sidestepped and ignored.

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

Oh are you such a sensitive soul to call being called a chancer with a smiley face abusive, poor baby

Again had Longford caught up with Dublin? The answer is no and never will, stop embarrassing yourself

Longford were very close to beating Dublin, Westmeath and Laois had done so just before that. It was a different era. The decades where it was Dublin v Kerry with a few teams popping up here and there were over.

Instead of continuing on naturally, unfortunately Bertie stepped in. It's resulted in some of the teams who caught up now been told that they are not worthy of playing on the same pitch as the Dublins and Kerry's.

ArielAtom

tikkahunter wrote: »

How many primary schools have Cork and how many have Dublin ? That’s were the development funding goes not the clubs .

Tikka, this is the root of the misunderstanding by certain posters. The development funding which was allocated to Dublin was for the development of children of the ages 5-12 or to put it simply for those who can't grasp that simple fact, Primary School kids. There is a great twitter account from one of those GPO's giving a really good insight into his role in developing GAA in the schools. It's great to see young people from the country coming to Dublin and helping to develop Gaelic Games in the capital. A big thank you to them. And yes they are attached to clubs, where they organise the Academy and offer advice to volunteers that maybe don't have a GAA background.

The Twitter account is @GAAmeCoaching, very well rounded individual who just posts facts. No agenda.

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

Tikka, this is the root of the misunderstanding by certain posters. The development funding which was allocated to Dublin was for the development of children of the ages 5-12 or to put it simply for those who can't grasp that simple fact, Primary School kids. There is a great twitter account from one of those GPO's giving a really good insight into his role in developing GAA in the schools. It's great to see young people from the country coming to Dublin and helping to develop Gaelic Games in the capital. A big thank you to them.

I'm just going to leave a few quotes here. They're from Kevin O'Shaughnessy and Ger O'Connor, both Dublin county board members:

"The coaches work very much in tune with what the particular club wants. They are all trained to Hetac Level 7 under an NUIG programme. It is a high standard that allows them to train the trainers in each club to a high quality."

"The coaches don't just concentrate on hurling or football. They organise everything within a club and camogie and ladies football get the benefit too."

I can provide you with more quotes if you're doubting these 2 men?

Enquiring

ArielAtom wrote: »

Tikka, this is the root of the misunderstanding by certain posters. The development funding which was allocated to Dublin was for the development of children of the ages 5-12 or to put it simply for those who can't grasp that simple fact, Primary School kids. There is a great twitter account from one of those GPO's giving a really good insight into his role in developing GAA in the schools. It's great to see young people from the country coming to Dublin and helping to develop Gaelic Games in the capital. A big thank you to them. And yes they are attached to clubs, where they organise the Academy and offer advice to volunteers that maybe don't have a GAA background.

The Twitter account is @GAAmeCoaching, very well rounded individual who just posts facts. No agenda.

I just had a quick look at this Twitter account:

"GPOs main role is multi faceted and multi tiered.
•Primary school coaching
•Post Primary school assistance
•Coach education in club
•Nursery (4-7 year olds) coordination and coaching
•Summer Camps
•Advanced Camps
As well as other roles within each club as designated..."

Facts. No agenda. 😀 Blows the primary school myth out of the water yet again.

Wouldn't it be great to have a coach with those job specifics allocated to your club? Imagine if you received funding so these coaches could be made available for nearly every club in your county?

Also remember, the funding for these coaches was a Dublin only scheme. And there are people actually still denying that this didn't have any impact on the amazing upturn in fortunes right across Dublin GAA.

tikkahunter

Enquiring wrote: »

I just had a quick look at this Twitter account:

"GPOs main role is multi faceted and multi tiered.
•Primary school coaching
•Post Primary school assistance
•Coach education in club
•Nursery (4-7 year olds) coordination and coaching
•Summer Camps
•Advanced Camps
As well as other roles within each club as designated..."

Facts. No agenda. �� Blows the primary school myth out of the water yet again.

Wouldn't it be great to have a coach with those job specifics allocated to your club? Imagine if you received funding so these coaches could be made available for nearly every club in your county?

Also remember, the funding for these coaches was a Dublin only scheme. And there are people actually still denying that this didn't have any impact on the amazing upturn in fortunes right across Dublin GAA.

where is the donkey work done ? In the primary schools in the area , that’s what gets the kids into the nursery, Cúl camps and any other summer camps . The majority of a Gpo’s week is spent in primary schools .

JeffKenna

tikkahunter wrote: »

where is the donkey work done ? In the primary schools in the area , that’s what gets the kids into the nursery, Cúl camps and any other summer camps . The majority of a Gpo’s week is spent in primary schools .

50% of their week.

tikkahunter

JeffKenna wrote: »

50% of their week.

Depends on how many schools that are in the area 😉

Enquiring

tikkahunter wrote: »

where is the donkey work done ? In the primary schools in the area , that’s what gets the kids into the nursery, Cúl camps and any other summer camps . The majority of a Gpo’s week is spent in primary schools .

The coaches wages are half paid by the clubs. They work for the clubs! High ranking Dublin GAA officials say they work for the clubs and outline their role. I don't know why you doubt their word? Yes, they spend time in local primary schools. The main goal of that is to recruit players for the club they're hired for.

beggars_bush

Enquiring wrote: »

The coaches wages are half paid by the clubs. They work for the clubs! High ranking Dublin GAA officials say they work for the clubs and outline their role. I don't know why you doubt their word? Yes, they spend time in local primary schools. The main goal of that is to recruit players for the club they're hired for.

Wouldn't it be great if there was funding for clubs in rural counties to 50% fund a club coach?
Clubs could even row in together to share this 50%

Except, every club in Dublin is treated differently than those outside the county. Why is that?
Despite many of them having multi million euro in turnover

RoyalCelt

ArielAtom wrote: »

Glad we have cleared that up. Corks sponsorship is for Football and Hurling, it does not take into Ladies football or Camogie. Ah the halycon days when meath hammered Dublin, I don't miss them days at all. I had to listen to my relations far to much crowing on about how much better meath were.

Meath were not always beating dublin.

10's beat them in 2010. Lost count of the years Dublin won.

00's beat them in 01. Lost to dublin on 02, 05, 07, 09.

90's Meath win in 91, 92, 96, 97, 99.
Dublin win 93, 94, 95,

So just the one decade where we had 2 more wins over you. It used to be a rivalry where a lot was at stake. Now there are no bragging rights because a massive gap was artificially funded by the GAA. Outside interference.

After the 90's meath only beat Dublin once in each of the following 2 decades. Does leinster not need a strong meath like the gaa needed a strong dublin? Where was the multi million save meath football plan.

The reality is the money men cared about your county and not mine or any other for that fact. It's why we're all losing interest and not appreciating your wins like teams previously were including previous dublin teams.