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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4622
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    The HorsesMouth wrote: »
    I'm really interested to see what the backlog actually is here. If we keep on under 2k cases for the next few days and then the restrictions kick in on cases next week well then I don't think the doom prediction will happen. And by doom prediction I mean hospitals being overwhelmed.
    ICU stands at 50 now..it was at 180 if I'm not mistaken back in April..If that's the case I'm guessing there was at least 4k cases a day back then, maybe more and we weren't overwhelmed.
    And before anyone jumps down my throat I realise the situation is very serious but as it stands my guess is hosptials and ICU beds will just about be OK. Hope I'm not eating my words.

    Now if the backlog is 6000+...all bets are off.

    Hopefully you are right.

    But to be sure they will have to have a March style lockdown for 6 weeks IMO and get vaccinating. Cant see any alternative.

    They should announce it now IMO. No point in opening up stuff on Monday eg Construction sites and closing them down a few days later.


  • #4623
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    People, relax, you are posting on a messaging board likely in the comfort of your own home.

    Do your bit, share your opinion but try not to get overwhelmed. The right things are never said or done in a panic.

    Many of you live here daily focused on the doom and gloom of covid. We have been in this nearly a year now, everyone knows what needs to be done - do it.


  • #4624
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Again we have absolutely no idea what the true case numbers were in March, quite likely it could have been well above what we have now. Like I said you couldn't get a test without jumping through multiple hoops.

    It was very strict to get a test.

    Nobody is underestimating but its a very simple point that nobody actually knows how many cases there were per day here in March

    It's a fair point that we'll never truly know how many people were infected back in March/April but if you take into account that we maxed out at 900 in April - and that was after we had placed the brakes on for a few weeks, with heavy compliance from the population and a greater proportion of positive cases been sent to hospital than would be now - and you take all those factors into account and look at the trajectory and speed of the rise of hospital admissions, then, I don't think it's crazy to suggest that we have a much higher rate of Covid in the community right now than ever before or we're heading that way.


  • #4625
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    No offence but if your that scared why are you even in the shopping center?

    Seriously why are you there? Go home

    Do your shopping online ffs

    Your situation reminds me of that story of the 17 year old girl in the US, she died because the pussies around her wouldn't give her CPR without PPE over Covid

    It's not bloody Ebola

    Ah the old Boards narrative - if others aren't compliant, it's your fault for leaving the house, not their fault for not being compliant.


  • #4626
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Why are the constantly leaving out the backlog? Are they ever going to report it? What's the point releasing figures if they aren't accurate.

    Does lumping the backlog in with one/several days numbers cases give accurate figures? I mean, the 7 and 14 averages are pretty meaningless if they are over-reported including large numbers of cases from days outside that period and then comparing to the preceding period which was significantly under-reported, that tells us nothing. Backlog cases should be included retrospectively to the appropriate day when they should have been reported, at least that would show the real trends. Announcing the swab numbers would be the best way of doing it, avoids backlogs altogether.


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  • #4627
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Downlinz wrote: »
    The day to day operations in the public sector is on a shoestring, most of their equipment is outdated, falling apart or under severe congestion because everyone needs to use it.
    I wouldn't criticise the workers until you've seen the kind of conditions they have to put up with. Successive governments simply don't fund our public service to achieve anything more than the bare minimum output at an inefficient rate.


    There are multiple facets to the problem all of which are interrelated.

    The first is salary:
    Typically wages for IT in the public sector are comparatively lower for the equivalent skill level and expertise when compared to the general labour market. This often incentivises higher skilled and talented individuals to not bother with the public sector in the first place. Frequently you have a scenario where the public servant is paid X amount and the external contractor they are working alongside is actually paid an even greater amount for the same job.
    Furthermore, the market for IT skill demands fluctuates quite regularly, the public servant's wages are fixed and inflexible. A junior programmer working in one language may be paid more than the market. Whereas another junior programmer working in the different language actually get's paid considerably less than the market. This leads to problems with staff, skill retention and long term maintenance.

    Next Recruitment.
    Very often a new recruit may have a specialist skillset in one particular area. Yet, the job available actually requires a very different skillset. Problem here is the next candidate on the panel is that new recruit and they get tossed into the deep end. Worse still, role creep frequently occurs whereby the recruit's job role is continuously expanded to cover areas they do not have actually have the skills and expertise for. They can learn them but not without serious training and self development time first. This rarely happens and then by the time they've acquired the necessary skills they're gone.
    An analogy would be you have a doctor fully trained in cardiology but you place them on an outpatients ward in nephrology and then wonder why two years later they left to a private cardiac clinic.

    Most IT is outsourced.
    Projects are business managed. The implementation of them is outsourced. I could probably write an essay on this one and the complications it can lead to. Especially when you couple it with high rates of turnover

    Some systems are really old. Like, really really old. The skillsets required to maintain them or properly update them is very expensive. Ain't no time for spending money on those things until the dam truly cracks.

    Also, just to be somewhat fair. The above problems aren't just exclusive to the Public Sector. The cliche of IT really applies: When there is no problem everyone wonders why they're spending so much on it; when there is a problem everyone wonders why they're spending so much on it! Net result being folks are very often given ever expanding roles and unrealistic demands for ever decreasing budgets.

    tl;dr Public Sector IT is sh1t because it's so fcking cheap.


  • #4628
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Stheno wrote: »
    I don't mean to sound like a negative newly but any significant decrease is likely to be skewed by non testing of asymptomatic close contacts

    Close contacts had their tests booked though the HSE system. They didn't have to ring their GP for a referral.

    Maybe that number of referrals has levelled out if that is their capacity.


  • #4629
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Stheno wrote: »
    I think a lot of the media only copped the swabs/cases anomaly recently going by their twitter

    They only copped it because Prof Nolan explicitly told them about it yesterday.

    Our Media need to be spoonfed


  • #4630
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    No offence but if your that scared why are you even in the shopping center?

    Seriously why are you there? Go home

    Do your shopping online ffs

    Your situation reminds me of that story of the 17 year old girl in the US, she died because the pussies around her wouldn't give her CPR without PPE over Covid

    It's not bloody Ebola

    Mod:

    Less of this please, please post in a civil manner.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #4631
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    What's the basis for thinking that? As in we'd be reporting the true cases but nobody else would be?

    Well to the best of my knowledge, most countries are not suffering the same IT issues that we are.

    Let's say that the 5500 swabs equate to about 5000 cases. Not a crazy estimate.
    Well if we had the UK's population that would be the equivalent of about 65,000 cases.

    There's very few countries in an obviously worse state than us as of today.


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  • #4632
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Ah the old Boards narrative - if others aren't compliant, it's your fault for leaving the house, not their fault for not being compliant.

    If your scared stay home

    I'm sure whatever he/she was buying in the shopping centre was availabe online, unnecessary risk


  • #4633
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    What's the basis for thinking that? As in we'd be reporting the true cases but nobody else would be?

    Well to the best of my knowledge, most countries are not suffering the same IT issues that we are.

    Let's say that the 5500 swabs equate to about 5000 cases. Not a crazy estimate.
    Well if we had the UK's population that would be the equivalent of about 65,000 cases.

    There's very few countries in an obviously worse state than us as of today.


  • #4634
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    What's the basis for thinking that? As in we'd be reporting the true cases but nobody else would be?

    Well to the best of my knowledge, most countries are not suffering the same IT issues that we are.

    Let's say that the 5500 swabs equate to about 5000 cases. Not a crazy estimate.
    Well if we had the UK's population that would be the equivalent of about 65,000 cases.

    There's very few countries in an obviously worse state than us as of today.


  • #4635
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    If your scared stay home

    I'm sure whatever he/she was buying in the shopping centre was availabe online, unnecessary risk

    Its everybody's responsibility to act like they are ****ing frightened when they leave their house. We aren't getting over this otherwise.


  • #4636
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    I see McConkey has managed to brainwash some posters on here into thinking zero covid is possible. It was and will remain an unachievable pipedream.


  • #4637
    koppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭koppy


    quote="Antares35;115770138"]Why are the constantly leaving out the backlog? Are they ever going to report it? What's the point releasing figures if they aren't accurate.[/quote]

    Agree totally. This is really baffling to me. Just don't get releasing in accurate numbers.

    What way are the backlogs added.? All in one day.? Announced as an extra, something like 1000 cases today plus 1000 backlog..?
    Why dosent this be asked at the press conference


  • #4638
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Boards having problems


  • #4639
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Gavin Reilly tweeted an hour ago that yesterday there were 5,500 positive swabs.
    A positivity rate of 20%

    Why were only 1600 announced then?


  • #4640
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    koppy wrote: »
    quote="Antares35;115770138"]Why are the constantly leaving out the backlog? Are they ever going to report it? What's the point releasing figures if they aren't accurate.

    Agree totally. This is really baffling to me. Just don't get releasing in accurate numbers.

    What way are the backlogs added.? All in one day.? Announced as an extra, something like 1000 cases today plus 1000 backlog..?
    Why dosent this be asked at the press conference[/QUOTE]

    Cases are after a checking process. They are released after the checking process is completed.


  • #4641
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    If your scared stay home

    I'm sure whatever he/she was buying in the shopping centre was availabe online, unnecessary risk

    It must be wonderful to have such insight into the lives of everybody else. You've no idea why anybody was in a store. Plus, the other person was the one not abiding by social distancing rules and common sense.

    One thing you can be sure of is that you missed the entire point of the post .


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  • #4642
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Gavin Reilly tweeted an hour ago that yesterday there were 5,500 positive swabs.
    A positivity rate of 20%

    Why were only 1600 announced then?

    Case numbers haven't been nnounced today I don't think


  • #4643
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Gavin Reilly tweeted an hour ago that yesterday there were 5,500 positive swabs.
    A positivity rate of 20%

    Why were only 1600 announced then?

    Don't think we've had any cases announced yet. They're being very slow today


  • #4644
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Solar2021 wrote: »

    I'm sure whatever he/she was buying in the shopping centre was availabe online, unnecessary risk

    How can you be sure? You're right though, if the poster was shopping for something unnecessary, that of course makes it ok for someone else to wear their mask around their neck like an idiot.


  • #4645
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    If your scared stay home

    Surely everyone should do their best to stay at home.

    "Scared" or not


  • #4646
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Well to the best of my knowledge, most countries are not suffering the same IT issues that we are.

    Let's say that the 5500 swabs equate to about 5000 cases. Not a crazy estimate.
    Well if we had the UK's population that would be the equivalent of about 65,000 cases.

    There's very few countries in an obviously worse state than us as of today.

    Tony said yesterday We are heading towards being the worst boys in Europe


  • #4647
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,073 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Connacht Rugby have cases
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4648
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It must be wonderful to have such insight into the lives of everybody else. You've no idea why anybody was in a store. Plus, the other person was the one not abiding by social distancing rules and common sense.

    One thing you can be sure of is that you missed the entire point of the post .

    Heroes Stay at Home, Jim.


  • #4649
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    I see McConkey has managed to brainwash some posters on here into thinking zero covid is possible. It was and will remain an unachievable pipedream.

    It would have taken a Europe wide approach. Total shutdown for 1 month then track and trace.


  • #4650
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Tony said yesterday We are heading towards being the worst boys in Europe

    It’s really strange how things have turned so fast. It’s hard to believe it’s entirely down to a minor relaxation of restrictions. It never took off like this in Sept / Oct.


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  • #4651
    Paul Weller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭Paul Weller


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    It’s really strange how things have turned so fast. It’s hard to believe it’s entirely down to a minor relaxation of restrictions. It never took off like this in Sept / Oct.

    Christmas and people's inability not to act the maggot is your answer there


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