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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4382
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Will Yam wrote: »
    So those who consistently regurgitate posts that claim ppe budgets are being cut by 40% are telling porkies?

    Good to know.

    Technically to be fair the PPE budget has been reduced. But that was expected as detailed in the original circular.

    However the posts I’ve seen are referencing the cleaning budget being cut which is accurate


  • #4383
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    marno21 wrote: »
    The Government gave since come out to correct her statement, and that mid summer remains the target for mass vaccination.

    Brian MacCraith (e.g. the authority on this matter) says we’ll be getting 530k doses per week by mid summer assuming the vaccines get approved. That sounds a lot like mass vaccination to me.

    530k doses a week would certainly have a considerable impact.

    And if this includes Astra zenica it will speed things up considerably.


  • #4384
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Perhaps. But the whole social interaction is essential for kids development, and it’s absence will be very damaging.

    Just to say there are two sides to this story. The kids I know do a knee slide and a woohoo when told they will be staying home. The general summary of opinions from those (many) kids (we have a monster family) was they loved being home for the lockdowns. While many kids have a great time in school, there are many who don't. And quite a few who thrive out of the school environment.


  • #4385
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I think we do, millions of people hve had this virus since Nov 19 and you might hear a story of one person who got it twice, and then it turns out as a one off, or a false positive .


    The first death from Covid-19 in Ireland was the 11th March, so I very much doubt it was active here for 4 months prior without anyone noticing.


    The point of vaccines is not just to protect the individuals who can take the vaccinated, but also to protect those who cannot.

    To achieve that would require 70% of the population being immune and thus provide herd immunity to those that cannot avail of a vaccine.
    To attempt reaching that herd immunity level by naturally acquired immunity would result in huge numbers of deaths.


    I can see the point of those who have already been infected and survived being further down the line for vaccination, but as we have seen from Sweden depending on naturally acquired immunity from the first wave to provide worthwhile community protection for subsequent waves is a non runner I`m afraid.


  • #4386
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Technically to be fair the PPE budget has been reduced. But that was expected as detailed in the original circular.

    However the posts I’ve seen are referencing the cleaning budget being cut which is accurate

    I referred to the cleaning budget in beginning then got corrected and told tha it was PPE budget, so then referred to it as a PPE/cleaning budget then in some posts as a ppe budget.

    Nuances.


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  • #4387
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Technically to be fair the PPE budget has been reduced. But that was expected as detailed in the original circular.

    However the posts I’ve seen are referencing the cleaning budget being cut which is accurate

    Ive seen quite a few both here and on the schools thread referencing the 40% cut in ppe.

    Funny how these statements tend to collapse when questioned.


  • #4388
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    prunudo wrote: »
    Quick glance over the last 20 odd pages that i missed since last logged in. Seems closing construction and curfews have taken over from schools as the latest target for some posters.

    I'm finding the thread sucking the life out of me the last few days. Better just to check in occasionally than follow it religiously.
    Glorious day out there today and it was nice to be out and about in the fresh air rather worrying what was happening with covid or in the news.

    Same. It's all gotten over the top hysterical with some posters. Talk of curfews and then people denying what they said months ago after been proved wrong. Some spending two hours hitting F5 on a HSE website, others have been posting in this thread since this morning. Draining.

    Best get out and enjoy whatever you can from your day


  • #4389
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    You have to use deaths per capita in all those comparison's

    You can't just say 100,000 more deaths, if population has increased by 10 million

    Worldwide there is no excess deaths

    For 2020 the current average population increase is estimated at 81 million people

    Less people are dying in accidents , terrorist attacks and wars arent happening at the same level, we've had no major natural disasters this year, tsunami/earthquake etc..would think US and South American murder rate is way down


  • #4390
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Less people are dying in accidents , terrorist attacks and wars arent happening at the same level, we've had no major natural disasters this year, tsunami/earthquake etc..would think US and South American murder rate is way down

    None so far this year, but the 2020 fires in Australia and Elsewhere were pretty significant.


  • #4391
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Just to say there are two sides to this story. The kids I know do a knee slide and a woohoo when told they will be staying home. The general summary of opinions from those (many) kids (we have a monster family) was they loved being home for the lockdowns. While many kids have a great time in school, there are many who don't. And quite a few who thrive out of the school environment.

    I’m sure there are two sides to the story. But reports from the U.K. show that, particularly kids from more disadvantaged backgrounds tend to do much worse.

    And most families don’t have the multitudes yours does.


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  • #4392
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Ive seen quite a few both here and on the schools thread referencing the 40% cut in ppe.

    Funny how these statements tend to collapse when questioned.


    Interesting how an explanation is seen as falling apart
    It is still a cut


  • #4393
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Will Yam wrote: »
    I’m sure there are two sides to the story. But reports from the U.K. show that, particularly kids from more disadvantaged backgrounds tend to do much worse.

    And most families don’t have the multitudes yours does.

    That's a myth . Home schooling is more effective than attending schools acedmically while having no impact on social skills, multitude of studies have confirmed this. Their is an obvious bias because that what 99% have experienced including myself. I have attended college myself and done online classes. Online lead to better grades for me personally. Social aspect I prefer sports teams, fitness classes and social gatherings without having to learn anything.

    Bit of topic but I think its relevant with so much learning now taking place online.


  • #4394
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    khalessi wrote: »
    Interesting how an explanation is seen as falling apart
    It is still a cut

    Saying that the ppe budget has been cut by 40% has been made here repeatedly as part of an argument to claim in some way that schools have been ignored/abandoned/whatever.

    But of course the ppe budget should be cut. There’s no need for any extra screens or dispensers or other things.

    But when challenged, it’s now described as not really the ppe budget, or “nuances” or cleaning, or whatever your having yourself.

    The oul Beal Bocht isn’t so bocht after all.


  • #4395
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Ive seen quite a few both here and on the schools thread referencing the 40% cut in ppe.

    Funny how these statements tend to collapse when questioned.

    There has been a 40% cut in cleaning compared to what it was supposed to be. And there has also been cut in PPE too. I’m not sure how you qualify this as the statement collapsing.

    Ive explained it, in detail with references. I’m done with this over and back now.


  • #4396
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    rob316 wrote: »
    Israel not messing around with vaccines. 150k doses per day, over 10% of the population done already. That's seriously impressive
    would take everything israel does with a pinch of salt, election coming up and not exactly a model country. I wonder how many vaccines it will give to the palestinians in the west bank or will they viewed as collateral damage.
    A truly horrible country with murderous leaders that no one should look upto


  • #4397
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Saying that the ppe budget has been cut by 40% has been made here repeatedly as part of an argument to claim in some way that schools have been ignored/abandoned/whatever.

    But of course the ppe budget should be cut. There’s no need for any extra screens or dispensers or other things.

    But when challenged, it’s now described as not really the ppe budget, or “nuances” or cleaning, or whatever your having yourself.

    The oul Beal Bocht isn’t so bocht after all.

    No one said they needed extra screens except you.

    However facing into a second term with a cleaning budget cut knowing that this wave affects children more is not clever boxing


  • #4398
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    rob316 wrote: »
    They probably spent the last 6 months aggressively recruiting and training people to administer the vax. That's another major part of the roll out speed. Knowing the HSE they probably started last week.

    HSE say 25k will be done by end of next week. Even if they hit that it's still painfully slow

    In fairness to the HSE, the death rate per million here is much less than the UK with the much vaunted NHS, lower than the super rich US, South Africa, All of South America, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Sweden, Poland, Austria, Portugal, Greece, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Lithuania, Malta, Luxembourg, Croatia, Hungary

    In the circumstances, I think that the HSE have done a fantastic job so far whilst putting their own lives at risk


  • #4399
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Surely we have failed as a society if children are sad they are getting time off school, when I was young I would have given me right bollox to have time off school. What type of dry ****e kids are we raising?


  • #4400
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Surely we have failed as a society if children are sad they are getting time off school, when I was young I would have given me right bollox to have time off school. What type of dry ****e kids are we raising?

    Because not every child is you


  • #4401
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    khalessi wrote: »
    No one said they needed extra screens except you.

    However facing into a second term with a cleaning budget cut knowing that this wave affects children more is not clever boxing

    How much has a schools budget been cut by?


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  • #4402
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Surely we have failed as a society if children are sad they are getting time off school, when I was young I would have given me right bollox to have time off school. What type of dry ****e kids are we raising?

    No we haven't, we've progressed in this regard.

    My daughter is in 2nd class, my son is in Jnr Inf. While they think its great to have a few more days off, they both love school.

    When I was 2nd class, I went into school hoping not to be beaten by a teacher from a Catholic institution. Might explain why kids these days have a different attitude to school than someone like me in my 40s.


  • #4403
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    There has been a 40% cut in cleaning compared to what it was supposed to be. And there has also been cut in PPE too.

    So is the cut in cleaning from what it was, or “what it was supposed to be”?


  • #4404
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭jams100


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    COVID IFR is much smaller than 2%, and look how much damage it is doing. 2% of people worldwide died in Spanish flu. 2% died in WW2. These events changed the course of world history forever. I don't think you appreciate the gravity of how much damage 1-2% of a population dying does to the social fabric of society!

    My point is that things should be closed on a purely evidenced based decision. You can be cautious in this approach if there is a lack of evidence. We're 9 months in now, we know that this virus primarily spreads indoors and especially so in poorly ventilated environments.

    I certainly wouldn't want us approaching even 1% but our response is very poor, we close golf and tennis clubs at the same time as a betting shop, which is more important to peoples mental health and contributes significantly less to the virus spread?

    People now seemingly can't make decisions for themselves and have become fully reliant on what the government says. Restaurants and home visits were risky over the Christmas and I knew that so I avoided them (as a 24 year old). I didnt avoid going for a walk with friends as that is much less risky, yet some people despite the numerous warnings decided to have 10+ people over to their house.

    What if there was no vaccine? Would you support locking down every few months if the rate increased?

    Next year when we're back to 700 people on trolleys should we shut down again? Where does this end?
    I don't want to underplay the seriousness of the situation and I've complied to the restrictions fully to date but the average age of people dying is 82, the life expectancy is 82 isn't it?

    At what point do we try to sensibly get on with our lives? I'd support pubs and restaurants closing for the foreseeable if that's where they think the cases are primarily coming from...

    Whatever happens i hope this is sorted asap, this is just an awful period of everyone's lives


  • #4405
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    mr_edge_to_you wrote: »
    No we haven't, we've progressed in this regard.

    My daughter is in 2nd class, my son is in Jnr Inf. While they think its great to have a few more days off, they both love school.

    When I was 2nd class, I went into school hoping not to be beaten by a teacher from a Catholic institution. Might explain why kids these days have a different attitude to school than someone like me in my 40s.

    So they enjoy been off school, there is hope. As to your own personal experience, I assume that only catholic institutions beat kids in the 1980's, else why be very specific?


  • #4406
    omerin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    How are they going to vaccinate large numbers each day, use churches or community centers? It would be mental if they do it in hospitals or gp centers, assume they need large buildings that are well ventilated and that could be easily customised to meet their needs while bringing the vaccine to those that need it as opposed to making people travel large distances to get it.

    I'm not saying it will be the case with the vacines, but the hse are losing millions and adding to waiting lists by people missing their appointments. Yes they still use technology from the 1800s ... a letter to notify a person of an appointment and many are missed. Why in 2021 can't the hse embrace the mobile phone and send a calendar meeting request instead of a letter that gets put on the mantle piece and in many cases forgotten. Even for older people who do not use mobiles, they can send the invite to their children or a neighbour.


  • #4407
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    I don't know

    I have 2 kids, both under 8 and in my opinion, the teachers they have are only correctors, wouldn't even call them teachers

    I am the one teaching them with homework they are being given.

    This 'statement' if you could call it that belongs in the dustbin, along with many other posts on this thread relating to schools closing.
    Posters campaigning to close schools should at least have the decency to acknowledge that if schools shut, it is going to severely impact children, their future outcomes, their learning, their socialisation, language development, and a host of other issues. This is a FACT. There are many many papers and studies to back this up. Home schooling is not a substitute for formal education, and despite what people might have you believe, these children eventually integrate into the mainstream system at 2nd level or college with huge gaps in their learning and development.
    To teachers continuously adding fuel to the fire campaigning to have schools shut, at least acknowledge that this is because of a personal situation you may find yourself in, in relation to contact with vulnerable people, etc., and is not the blanket view of teachers across the board.


  • #4408
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    If there was no vaccine for years zero/very low case numbers covid is the only way to go. Europe and the US are really fcking lucky there is a vaccine. Still a long way to go with many ways for things to be made a mess of yet.


  • #4409
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Surely we have failed as a society if children are sad they are getting time off school, when I was young I would have given me right bollox to have time off school. What type of dry ****e kids are we raising?

    :) Can't help but smile at little kids being called dry shytes, just a funny way of putting it.
    Really I just wanted to present the alternative point of view because all I hear is how desperately kids need school. There are 2 sides to the story.


  • #4410
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Turtwig wrote: »
    If there was no vaccine for years zero/very low case numbers covid is the only way to go. Europe and the US are really fcking lucky there is a vaccine. Still a long way to go with many ways for things to be made a mess of yet.

    If a vaccine was years away and an attempt to keep COVID cases low at all costs , we would have far greater problems tbh. A healthcare system collapsing would be terrible, the world economy collapsing would be far more cataclysmic imo.


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  • #4411
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Will there be any swab numbers today with it being New Years? Thanks


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