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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4292
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    It's a bit insulting to call forming a reasoned opinion based on logic and common sense a guess.

    No insult intended, but if you’re going to destroy the income of hundreds of thousands of people I would like to think it is done on evidence not guesswork no matter what reasoned opinion you believe was used.


  • #4293
    Worztron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,910 ✭✭✭Worztron


    How effective are masks against COVID-19 after they've become damp from your breath? For example, from being used at work all day.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • #4294
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Worztron wrote: »
    How effective are masks against COVID-19 after they've become damp from your breath? For example, from being used at work all day.

    Depends on the type of mask but they should be changed regularly during working day


  • #4295
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    The consensus of peoples opinions driven on the fear generated by the media does, Pal..
    The T.D's and political parties rely on these peoples votes and won't be seen to stand in the way of going along with every restriction brought in and then some, mate.

    Very narrow view of things and throwing pal in at the end sounds aggressive.


  • #4296
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    No insult intended, but if you’re going to destroy the income of hundreds of thousands of people I would like to think it is done on evidence not guesswork no matter what reasoned opinion you believe was used.

    As said before, it's based on evidence that the virus spread in indoor areas where people mix. What you are asking for will never happen, it's next to impossible to research it as stated several times beforehand.


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  • #4297
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    Essential shops weren't packed in April.

    I work in one and March and April it was dead, dead, quiet. Beyond quiet compared to any other time. Business didn't really start picking up until May again.

    And I can assure anyone that thinks differently that lots of retail staff have picked up this virus. In the context of work a lot of that is down to sharing canteen space/bathroom facilties or just being careless in terms of being around each other and being in close contact without masks. I see it every hour of every day in work.

    I haven't heard of anyone catching anything from a customer, but, equally, it's impossible to know given incubation period etc.

    Ok buisnness picked up in May but the numbers continued to drop even with no masks. Is putting thousands out of work for the sake of small numbers worth it.


  • #4298
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Look we can't afford to faff about trying find the perfect level of restrictions right now. We don't have that luxury any more.
    This is not like the early Autumn. We've ****ed it, and all of us are in real danger of catching the virus in the next few weeks.

    The urgent message has to be "stay at home".
    If you allow people to jump on a luas to go shopping for scented candles then the message is somewhat diluted.


  • #4299
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ok buisnness picked up in May but the numbers continued to drop even with no masks. Is putting thousands out of work for the sake of small numbers worth it.

    Well, our problem at the moment isn't containing small numbers- but rapidly escalating big numbers.


  • #4300
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ok buisnness picked up in May but the numbers continued to drop even with no masks. Is putting thousands out of work for the sake of small numbers worth it.

    Masks, social distancing, limited numbers in shops all used in May


  • #4301
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    khalessi wrote: »
    Depends on the type of mask but they should be changed regularly during working day

    That's not practical. In my work we have to wear them all day and we were given 2 washable ones. How many masks to you expect to use in a week.


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  • #4302
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Probes wrote: »
    As said before, it's based on evidence that the virus spread in indoor areas where people mix. What you are asking for will never happen, it's next to impossible to research it as stated several times beforehand.

    I’m employed in an indoor setting, all members of staff wear masks, not one case amongst 150 of us and we have been working throughout. Back to work Monday after the Christmas break.


  • #4303
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    niallo27 wrote: »
    That's not practical. In my work we have to wear them all day and we were given 2 washable ones. How many masks to you expect to use in a week.

    You asked I answered. Like I said it depends on the masks and you arent the only one to wear them all day. I change masks 4 times per day. I bought my own masks


  • #4304
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Probes wrote: »
    As said before, it's based on evidence that the virus spread in indoor areas where people mix. What you are asking for will never happen, it's next to impossible to research it as stated several times beforehand.

    I would say that most retail outlets are reasonably safe if they control numbers (which they have been doing) and people are masking up/social distancing. There have not been outbreaks in these retail settings - if there had been George Lee would be reminding us everyday of this.

    However, there are risks in terms of greater numbers on public transport etc and more mixing of households.


  • #4305
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Worztron wrote: »
    How effective are masks against COVID-19 after they've become damp from your breath? For example, from being used at work all day.

    It's studied in Biohazard Safety Level 3 labs, masks alone are not even level 1

    I wouldn't worry about it being a bit damp, if Covid is in the air you'll need eye protection and a mask for any protection


  • #4306
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    khalessi wrote: »
    Masks, social distancing, limited numbers in shops all used in May

    So let's try this again rather than shutting everything down


  • #4307
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    khalessi wrote: »
    Masks, social distancing, limited numbers in shops all used in May

    There was very little to hardly no masks been worn in shops in May,Well not in the few shops I was in anyway


  • #4308
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let's try this again rather than shutting everything down

    I need a full sentence.


  • #4309
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    giveitholly wrote: »
    There was very little to hardly no masks been worn in shops in May,Well not in the few shops I was in anyway

    Maybe but they were around my area whichi consisted of 2 dunnes, one mega Tesco, a number of lidls, Aldi and super valus.

    It was voluntary not mandatory like now but people were wearing them and keeping their distance.

    I had been wearing them since March in shops but that was a personal choice. I had stocked up on masks in Jan


  • #4310
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let's try this again rather than shutting everything down

    Add eye protection as well

    Eyes have same chance of infection as the mouth and nose if there are droplets in the air, the front of the eyes are directly exposed to everthing, just like the nasal passages are exposed.


  • #4311
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I’m employed in an indoor setting, all members of staff wear masks, not one case amongst 150 of us and we have been working throughout. Back to work Monday after the Christmas break.

    This is my view and may be right, wrong, or in the middle. The only reason one will not be among a percentage to catch Covid in a room - masks or no masks - is because Covid is not in the room. So, you have been lucky. That's all. And to be honest the amount of virus since May has been reasonably low in the community. Even when it was at 1000 cases daily it was just beginning to become more commonly occurring. Now my feeling for it is there is a lot more virus circulating in the community - and therefore it is less likely one will always be lucky enough not to be in the room with Covid. I too have to go back on Monday and I am warier now.


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  • #4312
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    If schools are a priority and there is new evidence to suggest primary and secondary school students are more susceptible to infection by way of new variant, should vaccination program not make consideration for this and make vaccinations of students and school staff an additional priority?


  • #4313
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I’m employed in an indoor setting, all members of staff wear masks, not one case amongst 150 of us and we have been working throughout. Back to work Monday after the Christmas break.

    Yes, Ireland has done a pretty good job so far of keeping the virus suppressed.


  • #4314
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Donnelly said in November that the HSE had the capacity to process 140,000 tests a week.
    Now they aren't even testing close contacts to 'support the testing system'.
    They're 2 different areas of the system. There are many links in the chain.

    Labs have the capacity to process 140,000 tests a week.

    The HPSC dont have the capacity to process the amount of positive cases from those tests.


  • #4315
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    This is my view and may be right, wrong, or in the middle. The only reason one will not be among a percentage to catch Covid in a room - masks or no masks - is because Covid is not in the room. So, you have been lucky. That's all. And to be honest the amount of virus since May has been reasonably low in the community. Even when it was at 1000 cases daily it was just beginning to become more commonly occurring. Now my feeling for it is there is a lot more virus circulating in the community - and therefore it is less likely one will always be lucky enough not to be in the room with Covid. I too have to go back on Monday and I am warier now.
    Infectious dose and ventilation seems to have a big impact in indoor settings. And also it does appear to be driven by superspreaders, so not everyone with Covid will pass it on.

    I saw someone once use a graphic of a swimming pool filling up as an analogy. As the level/volume of Covid in the air increases, so does your risk. If you're somewhere with big high ceilings and ventilation (e.g. most large supermarkets), the risk is relatively low even for staff who are inside for hours on end. Pubs & restaurants on the other hand....


  • #4316
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    khalessi wrote: »
    I need a full sentence.

    Full sentence.


  • #4317
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    If schools are a priority and there is new evidence to suggest primary and secondary school students are more susceptible to infection by way of new variant, should vaccination program not make consideration for this and make vaccinations of students and school staff an additional priority?

    It will be made a priority in regards staff. Watch this space.


  • #4318
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    If schools are a priority and there is new evidence to suggest primary and secondary school students are more susceptible to infection by way of new variant, should vaccination program not make consideration for this and make vaccinations of students and school staff an additional priority?

    Vaccination of young people weren't included in the trial. I would hope that some of the vaccines have started new trials to demonstrate safety of vaccination of students.


  • #4319
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    - is because Covid is not in the room. So, you have been lucky. That's all. .

    Exactly

    If Covid is in the air, your getting those droplets into the eyes, nose, mouth etc

    Whether you get infected or not is irrelevant, those droplets are getting to you

    Surgical/cloth masks won't be an escape


  • #4320
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let's try this again rather than shutting everything down

    We're well past the stage now of trying something like that and seeing whether it will work or not - we're in thousands of cases everyday now.

    There's an extremely real possibility, actually it's a probability if we continue as we are, that the hospital system will not cope with the pressure at the end of the month. This is absolutely real now. People are still underestimating where we are.

    There's no time for faffing anymore unfortunately and giving something that was tried in May, when cases were a fraction of what they are now - and didn't actually succeed in bringing cases down, they still gradually rose - isn't applicable at this moment.

    Right now the absolute priority is stopping the growth of the virus and, unfortunately, because the situation is severe, the methods you have to use are also severe. Fundamentally they have to stop people mixing and interacting with each other.


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  • #4321
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,992 ✭✭✭Russman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let's try this again rather than shutting everything down

    The issue I see with this is that public compliance is much lower now and we don’t have the resources to enforce. People were scared back in April and acted accordingly. It meant nothing to wait two seconds from someone to move on from a shelf or aisle, whereas now it’s a free for all in the shops. If the people aren’t buying in, the shutting down option is needed to take away potential openings for the virus.


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