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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4142
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    If the Head of the HSE is saying that the virus is now out of control in the community, are we now at the same point where other countries decided to ban travel from the UK?


  • #4143
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Stheno wrote: »
    Did I understand what that thread says, that it spreads more, and cuases more serious illness in children/ teens?
    No, not really. One suggestion for the elevated number of children testing positive is that they could be more likely to show symptoms with this strain. She's not saying they definitely do, merely speculating on why more children have tested positive.

    Overall it's still inconclusive whether there is anything special about this variant. It is still largely associated with the South East of England.

    While it has appeared elsewhere, these regions (like us) are still suffering a massive surge in cases without the help of this new variant.

    It is more likely that a massive increase in socialising and a decrease in precautions across Europe due to the party season has led to this insane surge. The UK has potentially made the classic correlation/caution mistake and blamed the new variant for the surge, even though it has only really proliferated strongly in one region.


  • #4144
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I think the French public have a history of mistrust with their government. Possibly is a factor. If it leads to normality in Israel relatively soon. Attitudes are likely to change.

    Think the UK is the one to watch for the western world,Israel is nothing like a typical western country.

    I like that the French have opinions and stand up to government's, we and others could learn alot from them.

    I kinda of see the protestors point too, i'm all for vaccination's but think peer pressure vaccinating healthy people under 35 that are 99.9% safe from the virus is wrong, they shouldn't feel they have to take it.

    Saw a mini interview with one French protestor on Facebook just now and she wasn't happy that vaccine's are basically mandatory in privately run nursing homes, hospital's, health clinic's etc and privately run corporations are following.

    She works in a nursing home and said she has been told she has to take, she looks about 22-23, young girl.

    It will be the same here

    You won't be left on site at the corporations like Google, Dell, Facebook, Paypal etc without a vaccine and all the other private industries will be the same, you'll be told you have to be on site once a month and that's your job gone then.

    That's wrong imo.


  • #4145
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    khalessi wrote: »
    BUt that could be an issue for the adults around them

    Yes. Exactly. Faster spread of same problems.


  • #4146
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Coveney says that restrictions may have to go "beyond level 5"

    Apart from closing schools, what exactly could they be thinking here?


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  • #4147
    [Deleted User]
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Did I understand what that thread says, that it spreads more, and cuases more serious illness in children/ teens?

    It's seems to be more common in children and teens than other variants. This isn't necessarily because they're more susceptible. It could just be favourable conditions that allow it to spread more easily in that demographic. Also the samples used were not random so sampling bias could play some part. There is no indication of more serious illness.


  • #4148
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    fits wrote: »
    Looks like new variant is especially found in school going children. As well as being more transmissible eg increasing Rt from 0.9 to 1.6 when compared with older variant.


    Sorry for inelegant explanation

    More here

    Imperial have been wrong on so many things so far.

    I'd wait for more reliable sources.


  • #4149
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Coveney says that restrictions may have to go "beyond level 5"

    Apart from closing schools, what exactly could they be thinking here?

    Closing construction sites also.


  • #4150
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Coveney says that restrictions may have to go "beyond level 5"

    Apart from closing schools, what exactly could they be thinking here?
    Close construction, 2km limit, general stay-at-home order, cancel all non-urgent medical care.


  • #4151
    aisling86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭aisling86


    seamus wrote: »
    Close construction, 2km limit, general stay-at-home order, cancel all non-urgent medical care.

    Stop the bubbles....too many using it as an excuse to stil see family members when neither fit thr criteria. If we can get the accurate figures out to the general public asap also that would put a stop to alot of the mixing thats still happening. People will listen to the figures over what government is saying.


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  • #4152
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    When MIcheal spoke to us the other day regarding schools, he said, " schools are safe (pause), for our children. He never menttioned the staff as he knows it is not safe for them. Also schools might be safe for the majority of children who get this illness and that was before the UK strain is let loose in schools. They just dont know.

    Dr. Nolan was asked about schools in yesterday's NPHET conference, he answered in a very shakey voice giving stares to his colleagues, his body language was all wrong, they just dont know for sure.


  • #4153
    Sierra Oscar
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    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Coveney says that restrictions may have to go "beyond level 5"

    Apart from closing schools, what exactly could they be thinking here?

    Closing creches, construction sites and imposing a night-time curfew as is the case in France. Just a few options to name a few.


  • #4154
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    seamus wrote: »
    Close construction, 2km limit, general stay-at-home order, cancel all non-urgent medical care.

    Jesus. I had a health issue being monitored and was due for my yearly check-in last March, which was cancelled and postponed to this March. I can't believe I'm looking at it being cancelled again


  • #4155
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jackboy


    khalessi wrote: »
    When MIcheal spoke to us the other day regarding schools, he said, " schools are safe (pause), for our children. He never menttioned the staff as he knows it is not safe for them. Also schools might be safe for the majority of children who get this illness and that was before the UK strain is let loose in schools. They just dont know.

    Dr. Nolan was asked about schools in yesterday's NPHET conference, he answered in a very shakey voice giving stares to his colleagues, his body language was all wrong, they just dont know for sure.

    Take no notice of Micheál or Nolan. They are not being honest. The schools will not open as scheduled.


  • #4156
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


      khalessi wrote: »
      When MIcheal spoke to us the other day regarding schools, he said, " schools are safe (pause), for our children. He never menttioned the staff as he knows it is not safe for them. Also schools might be safe for the majority of children who get this illness and that was before the UK strain is let loose in schools. They just dont know.

      Dr. Nolan was asked about schools in yesterday's NPHET conference, he answered in a very shakey voice giving stares to his colleagues, his body language was all wrong, they just dont know for sure.

      Yeah, they really don't know.

      If this variant is considered more transmissible among young kids, it must be because a lot of young kids are testing positive with it. Now, for that to be happening these kids must all be mass gathering somewhere unsafe .......


    • #4157
      khalessi
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


      jackboy wrote: »
      Take no notice of Micheál or Nolan. They are not being honest. The schools will not open as scheduled.

      we will see, all seemed a bit sketchy.

      Between that and the 40% cut to the PPE/cleaning budget facing into this and their dishonesty on numbers not a good look


    • #4158
      Treseemme.
      Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


      Are drive-in takeaways open


    • #4159
      Humberto Salazar
      Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


      Bananaleaf wrote: »
      Coveney says that restrictions may have to go "beyond level 5"

      Apart from closing schools, what exactly could they be thinking here?

      Shut down construction. Non food manufacturing/production.


    • #4160
      Gruffalux
      Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


      Bananaleaf wrote: »
      Jesus. I had a health issue being monitored and was due for my yearly check-in last March, which was cancelled and postponed to this March. I can't believe I'm looking at it being cancelled again

      Can you look for a private check up? It might still take time to get appt. If it is a specific test or set of tests it might not be as expensive as you imagine.


    • #4161
      Humberto Salazar
      Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


      I'm hating this crap as much as the rest. And I know this is causing far greater problems with physical and mental health as well as economic issues. But this level, as it is today, won't do a damn thing other than slow it a bit. How construction is kept going, even with all precautions, is beyond me.


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    • #4162
      Bananaleaf
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


      Gruffalux wrote: »
      Can you look for a private check up? It might still take time to get appt. If it is a specific test or set of tests it might not be as expensive as you imagine.

      I have private health insurance but had initially gone through the public system so was advised to stay in it by hospital, something about having to go back to the end of the queue with it all. But yes, I will call the hospital and speak with them on Monday to see what they say


    • #4163
      PmMeUrDogs
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


      Bananaleaf wrote: »
      Jesus. I had a health issue being monitored and was due for my yearly check-in last March, which was cancelled and postponed to this March. I can't believe I'm looking at it being cancelled again

      Concerned about this myself.

      Still waiting for treatment that was cancelled last March.

      For another medical issue, I had surgery delayed for so long that I needed way more treatment than initially required, undergoing my second major surgery in 8 weeks, a week before Christmas.

      I need fortnightly-ish check ups in hospital for 6 months before I'll even know if the last surgery was a success, but if they cancel all those appointments too, I'm scared of what'll happen.


    • #4164
      What Username Guidelines
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      aisling86 wrote: »
      Stop the bubbles....too many using it as an excuse to stil see family members when neither fit thr criteria. If we can get the accurate figures out to the general public asap also that would put a stop to alot of the mixing thats still happening. People will listen to the figures over what government is saying.

      The bubble thing has always been a throwaway phrase for a lot of people... it's becoming part of our lexicon, like the way people tweet pics of themselves and friends, all in a huddle, with #SociallyDistantWalks and #staysafe hashtags.

      "Oh, she's in my bubble" when really it's just a massive venn diagram with a lot of crossover.


    • #4165
      Arghus
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


      It's obvious at this stage that they're going to up the level of restrictions again.


    • #4166
      Bananaleaf
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


      PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
      Concerned about this myself.

      Still waiting for treatment that was cancelled last March.

      For another medical issue, I had surgery delayed for so long that I needed way more treatment than initially required, undergoing my second major surgery in 8 weeks, a week before Christmas.

      I need fortnightly-ish check ups in hospital for 6 months before I'll even know if the last surgery was a success, but if they cancel all those appointments too, I'm scared of what'll happen.

      I'm so sorry to hear that. Things sound a bit more urgent for you than they do for me (as far as I know, but sure that is just it, you don't know)

      I don't think they can postpone people's medical treatments again. Jesus Christ if they are going to say that having a carvery in a pub is essential but an MRI isn't, what cowboys have we in charge at all?


    • #4167
      Drumpot
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


      jackboy wrote: »
      Take no notice of Micheál or Nolan. They are not being honest. The schools will not open as scheduled.

      They are completely winging it on schools in terms of promoting the story that schools “are safe”. I noticed Nolan strategically get a statement in after answering schools question. It was something on the lines of we can’t be sure how many children actually have it as many prob aren’t tested because they are asymptomatic.

      I’ve yet to see credible scientific evidence or explanation proving beyond doubt that children are less likely to contract and pass on the virus. Only anecdotal insinuations or presumptions based on how many have tested positive in schools.


    • #4168
      Gruffalux
      Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


      Arghus wrote: »
      It's obvious at this stage that they're going to up the level of restrictions again.

      Something will have to be done. Speaking with wider family everyone knows the last lockdown style is insufficient now. Almost everyone was an essential worker. Its not just the work teams themselves on site- there are the support services and auxillary contacts amount to a lot. The fuelling stop. Sambos or rolls at the deli. Coffee. Admin in offices to keep logistics rolling. People traveling in shared vans or cars. Etc. It is a LOT of people connecting and spreading out from all parts of the country to the location of the work.


    • #4169
      Eivor
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


      Arghus wrote: »
      It's obvious at this stage that they're going to up the level of restrictions again.

      Level 5 was reintroduced one day ago. Let’s try that first.


    • #4170
      khalessi
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


      Drumpot wrote: »
      They are completely winging it on schools in terms of promoting the story that schools “are safe”. I noticed Nolan strategically get a statement in after answering schools question. It was something on the lines of we can’t be sure how many children actually have it as many prob aren’t tested because they are asymptomatic.

      I’ve yet to see credible scientific evidence or explanation proving beyond doubt that children are less likely to contract and pass on the virus. Only anecdotal insinuations or presumptions based on how many have tested positive in schools.

      Yes the way he answered that and along with the cancellation of no close contact testing, with Holohan brushing off the data as being of no use, despite being a minimum of 1 in 5 was interesting. I think that data os very relevant to the schools and families. If ithey cant identify where ya got it, it wont be schools and they will be safe.


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    • #4171
      Solar2021
      Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


      Bananaleaf wrote: »
      Coveney says that restrictions may have to go "beyond level 5"

      Apart from closing schools, what exactly could they be thinking here?

      Curfews probably

      8pm - 8am no one out, not even for a walk


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