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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3722
    bikeman1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Great questions by RTÉ’s Orla O’Donnell and Mark Coughlan at the start of the Q&A. Finally some decent journalists to ask the proper questions. They literally asked all the questions I wanted asked.

    So we have a confirmed backlog of at least 4K cases in the system not reported. We have no live tracking of vaccinations either. Why is it that Ireland the home of tech companies we can’t manage the live counting and reporting of numbers in some sectors?


  • #3723
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you want someone on Boards to explain inter governmental decision making at an EU level? Are you sure you’re in the right forum. Surely contact Ursula the Commission president perhaps she may be able to answer. I suspect no one here can.

    Though I suspect a few on here will try :pac:


  • #3724
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    Did Tony Holohan really say this?

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1344685709312061446?s=19

    What a clusterduck. Tony covering for HSE incompetence and blaming the public, could one expect any less.


  • #3725
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Would you say the same to a healthcare worker?

    Or are they all childless?

    No. I said healthcare workers need a care service provided

    I guessing you choose to ignore that part.


  • #3726
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    It’s blatantly obvious keeping schools open is not about the education.

    To pretend it is, is not being honest.

    It's obviously about education as they are
    eductional institutes.

    It's also about allowing certain essential sections of society to function.

    Like healthcare.

    Not everyone who will be affected works for a multinational and is working from home.

    Did you get your education online?


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  • #3727
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    No. I said healthcare workers need a care service provided

    I guessing you choose to ignore that part.

    Oh did you. Isn't that grand of you!?

    So it's in place is it?


  • #3728
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    It’s blatantly obvious keeping schools open is not about the education.

    To pretend it is, is not being honest.

    Schools remaining open does not constitute "full" Level 5, those who maintain otherwise are hopelessly deluded or fed up with youngsters running around them.


  • #3729
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Schools remaining open does not constitute "full" Level 5, those who maintain otherwise are hopelessly deluded or fed up with youngsters running around them.

    Holohan is saying that current level 5 restrictions are not enough. The schools will not be opening on the 11th.


  • #3730
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,000 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What a clusterduck. Tony covering for HSE incompetence and blaming the public, could one expect any less.

    Seems poor enough form IF he did say it. As if the public’s buy in wasn’t fraying enough already after nearly 10 months of this ****e, IF that’s an accurate statement it’s not going to help at all. The first lockdown was meant to give the government and the HSE and whoever else to build a system and capacity suitable for any potential further waves of this virus which might (and have) happened.


  • #3731
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Schools remaining open does not constitute "full" Level 5, those who maintain otherwise are hopelessly deluded or fed up with youngsters running around them.

    As far as I'm aware Level 5 as per the government plan never included schools being closed.


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  • #3732
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Oh did you. Isn't that grand of you!?

    So it's in place is it?

    You’re just proving you can’t debate it

    Duke of Url wrote: »
    They don’t need schools open.

    They need care services open for the children of people who work in essential service.

    School is providing this.

    The issue is that many others want to send their kids to school so they can have a break.

    I believe my point is still correct

    You haven’t countered it


  • #3733
    kowloonkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you want someone on Boards to explain inter governmental decision making at an EU level? Are you sure you’re in the right forum. Surely contact Ursula the Commission president perhaps she may be able to answer. I suspect no one here can.

    Exactly. Just an example of why the EU is just a house of cards and if there is an emergency situation they can do f**k all. If the Russians invaded Europe they'd probaby need a few weeks of discussions and pen pushing before reacting.


  • #3734
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,000 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    jackboy wrote: »
    Holohan is saying that current level 5 restrictions are not enough. The schools will not be opening on the 11th.

    So what go wuhan style and lock us in our homes is it ?


  • #3735
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    You’re just proving you can’t debate it


    Nope.

    It's easy to offer such diktats with handy caveats like "provide some care"

    The state failed to do so 6 months ago. Nothing has changed since.

    Yet you expect it to be functional by next week.


  • #3736
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So what go wuhan style and lock us in our homes is it ?

    No. Schools will remain closed. Construction sites may be closed also


  • #3737
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    No. I said healthcare workers need a care service provided

    I guessing you choose to ignore that part.

    I don’t have young kids myself but I work with lots of people who do, we are counted as essential workers. Any suggestions as to what they should do? Although I do accept that many view schools as child care they are also a necessary setting for many children. The only place many children can be guaranteed some level of safety and a meal.


  • #3738
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    So now the bottleneck is in HSPC reporting and will sit at about 1,500-1,800 cases a day when I’m reality it’s >3x being found, not to mention the ones going amiss from non-testing of contacts.

    What will likely happen some stage in the next week, if the system can even catch up, will be 10k+ cases reported one day, but the media will say “it’s grand, it’s just a backlog”? The media have been fairy frenzied in most of this but I fear in this case it won’t be made clear enough that the backlog is a large proportion of cases every single day.


  • #3739
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Nope.

    It's easy to offer such diktats with handy caveats like "provide some care"

    The state failed to do so 6 months ago. Nothing has changed since.

    No it hasn’t and they won’t.

    They pretended that the schools are the safest place to be and the kid need education..

    I don’t believe for 1 minute that that was the motive for keeping schools open and opening them in January again.


  • #3740
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    There is a school thread. It is becoming tiresome.


  • #3741
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,000 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    So now the bottleneck is in HSPC reporting and will sit at about 1,500-1,800 cases a day when I’m reality it’s >3x being found, not to mention the ones going amiss from non-testing of contacts.

    What will likely happen some stage in the next week, if the system can even catch up, will be 10k+ cases reported one day, but the media will say “it’s grand, it’s just a backlog”? The media have been fairy frenzied in most of this but I fear in this case it won’t be made clear enough that the backlog is a large proportion of cases every single day.

    The media haven’t helped during this pandemic. That’s not to say it’s any one journalist but when that backlog from Germany came in and the cases went very high and IMO not enough was done to clarify when those cases were from and the backlogs at times aren’t clarified and the number of cases and deaths are reported and people just see the numbers and panic.


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  • #3742
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    lawred2 wrote: »
    It's obviously about education as they are
    eductional institutes.

    It's also about allowing certain essential sections of society to function.

    Like healthcare.

    Not everyone who will be affected works for a multinational and is working from home.

    Did you get your education online?

    At this stage, and before it's just lame excuse. Schools and childcare should be open for frontline workers, kids in troubles etc. Just like other countries did. For the rest there should've been plan in action coming from DOE.

    Is there any.....NOPE


  • #3743
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    There is a school thread. It is becoming tiresome.

    It's a hobby horse for many


  • #3744
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    I was identified as a close contact yesterday. I booked my test with the HSE yesterday. Will I now not be getting a test?

    I think today we have officially reached some level of crisis. If tracking and tracing is collapsing, the virus is transmitting untethered throughout communities. Everything we have tried to avoid is imminently possible if we don’t get our act together as a nation.


  • #3745
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    There is a school thread. It is becoming tiresome.

    I’ve read it. The teachers are sh1tting themselves and are fully right to be.


  • #3746
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Still waiting for someone to explain Europe's cowardice and why we did not just close everything down bar actually life-essential necessities for 3 weeks to completely eliminate the virus and return life back to normal? What was required was men with guns outside doors, men with guns on the borders. Complain and cry to me all you want about your rights for 3 weeks, when the alternative is this year-long hell of lockdowns and restrictions? Whoever prefers 1 year+ of lockdowns over 3 weeks of house arrest is completely off their heads and hasn't seen the true suffering of these restrictions. Yet Europe has firmly chosen the former. I do not get it. I really do not.

    And then never reopen the borders? Never let anyone leave? Stop people returning to their home countries?


  • #3747
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    I was identified as a close contact yesterday. I booked my test with the HSE yesterday. Will I now not be getting a test?

    I think today we have officially reached some level of crisis. If tracking and tracing is collapsing, the virus is transmitting untethered throughout communities. Everything we have tried to avoid is imminently possible if we don’t get our act together as a nation.

    Did you get a text notification of a time and date for a test?


  • #3748
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are they advising close contacts to just restrict movements? Surely that could cause further cases.

    :confused:

    If people restrict their movements, don't meet anyone or go anywhere how does that cause further spread.

    That's how you stop the spread.


  • #3749
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How in fecks name do they not know. Even a basic stocktaking programme can advise you of stock in stock out. HSE doing their best to destroy what ever remaining confidence the public have in them.

    No, that would be just you ranting again.
    Obviously...it is being done in several centres and will be collated probably weekly before they get their next batch .


  • #3750
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    I was identified as a close contact yesterday. I booked my test with the HSE yesterday. Will I now not be getting a test?

    I think today we have officially reached some level of crisis. If tracking and tracing is collapsing, the virus is transmitting untethered throughout communities. Everything we have tried to avoid is imminently possible if we don’t get our act together as a nation.

    At this stage you can forget about "robust" test and trace system promised. Can't even remember when was the last time we were assured about that. And here we go again. Honestly I think it's just pointless to talk about it. Goes back to highlighting issues, not only healthcare related.


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  • #3751
    AutoTuning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭AutoTuning


    At this stage I don't know what to make of it anymore.

    We quite clearly aren't capable as a nation or a group of nations (EU/EEA as well as our neighbours in the UK, US, etc) of getting a handle on this at all. If the vaccines don't rollout fast and if there's significant anti-vaxxer push back (e.g. in France for example with only 41% saying they'd consider taking one) I really don't know what kind of 2021-2022 we are looking at.


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