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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #1382
    Necro
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    We borrowed 15 billion this year.

    You think we'll just be allowed keep it??

    Any reason why you think this

    How much did other countries borrow. You'd imagine it's multiples of that. Not specifically speaking about Ireland here, globally I'd imagine it's in the trillions.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #1383
    Plumbthedepths
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    Necro wrote: »
    Probably for another thread, but I'm not so sure about this. I can see a LOT of debt being written off globally after all this is over. Not everything mind, belts will have to be tightened - but it's a (God I hope so) once in a lifetime style event.

    I would share your optimism, however the recent past colours my outlook. We have stood by in the West and allowed developing nations suffer under crippling debt. Once the economic powerhouses are operating at normal pace Capitalism will reassert itself.However as you say perhaps for another thread, but austerity in one form or another is on the horizon. People confuse GNP with GDP.


  • #1384
    Russman
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    Necro wrote: »
    Probably for another thread, but I'm not so sure about this. I can see a LOT of debt being written off globally after all this is over. Not everything mind, belts will have to be tightened - but it's a (God I hope so) once in a lifetime style event.

    I think this will be how it happens in some form alright.
    The whole EU is in the sh1tter right now with restrictions etc. and there’s probably 6 months left in it at least.
    My gut feeling is that at an EU level, some form of ring fencing of COVID related borrowings will be dreamed up and the debt will essentially be “parked”. The ECB won’t be let crash the EU and I think as long as the EU countries stick together and nobody does some sort of daft solo run a la our bank guarantee of 2008, a way will be found, so to speak.


  • #1385
    titan18
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    awec wrote: »
    Because people can’t go back to work if kids can’t go back to school.

    I would imagine the vast majority of people who are unable to work from home that haven't been shut down yet don't get a huge amount of time off during the Christmas holidays so what are they doing now when the kids are off. The people who get time off at Christmas are home workers.


  • #1386
    awec
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    titan18 wrote: »
    I would imagine the vast majority of people who are unable to work from home that haven't been shut down yet don't get a huge amount of time off during the Christmas holidays so what are they doing now when the kids are off. The people who get time off at Christmas are home workers.

    You can’t work from home if kids are at home. This is why they are so keen to keep schools open, closing them down has an enormous cascading cost.


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  • #1387
    octsol
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    Todays testing data is in and its not pretty reading

    Total tests: 13,802, % Tests Positive 14.5%, Positive Tests 2,007.

    Thats not good.

    Surely the government will delay opening schools with these numbers.if we open the schools with numbers like these we could hit 3000 positive swabs a day for a period.


  • #1388
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Necro wrote: »
    Probably for another thread, but I'm not so sure about this. I can see a LOT of debt being written off globally after all this is over. Not everything mind, belts will have to be tightened - but it's a (God I hope so) once in a lifetime style event.

    Please god it was a once in a life time event. Who frightened the **** out of me this morning with "this is not the big one" and "lessons need to be learned" this morning.


  • #1389
    Ficheall
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There'll be those who'll freak out if someone coughs or sneezes within 20ft of them
    Just like there'll be people who'll freak out if their gym/pub/hairdresser closes for the day or they have to wash their hands. Let's all just make up bs.


  • #1390
    Stheno
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    octsol wrote: »
    Thats not good.

    Surely the government will delay opening schools with these numbers.if we open the schools with numbers like these we could hit 3000 positive swabs a day for a period.

    Apparently 2500 cases is the trigger for closing schools

    Think Donnelly said it yesterday on the radio


  • #1391
    MOR316
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No single day of the year, no matter what it is for, is worth the disruption coming to people's lives in the next few months. None.

    And if you think it is you are the one with the issue to address.

    OK...So continue to disrupt people's lives over Christmas so we can continue to disrupt them after Christmas?

    Makes sense, Mr Issue.

    I mean, let's face it. You lose your **** anytime there is any kind of easing of restrictions. It's all you post about. You are one of those who want us to be in total lockdown, for what I can only assume is forever?!


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  • #1392
    Plumbthedepths
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Please god it was a once in a life time event. Who frightened the **** out of me this morning with "this is not the big one" and "lessons need to be learned" this morning.

    Don’t worry the big one will most likely be an ELA. No one left to argue about restrictions.ðŸ˜


  • #1393
    awec
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No single day of the year, no matter what it is for, is worth the disruption coming to people's lives in the next few months. None.

    And if you think it is you are the one with the issue to address.

    You are operating under the pretense that without an easing of restrictions there'd be no disruption the next few months.

    I think this is a fallacy.


  • #1394
    [Deleted User]
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No single day of the year, no matter what it is for, is worth the disruption coming to people's lives in the next few months. None.

    And if you think it is you are the one with the issue to address.

    Christmas day hasn't caused all of this. The two weeks leading up to it did. Do you think if we stayed close for all of December the equivalent 2 weeks wouldn't have happened when we opened in January?


  • #1395
    Martina1991
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »

    Awful. Testing still not where it should be too
    What do you mean testing is not where it should be.
    You can only process tests on people that come forward for referral.

    We have the capacity and we've shown that with processing over 23,000 tests in one day. You cant test swabs that havent been taken.
    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Trying to possibly find a reason why positive rate so high, perhaps people holding off on tests around christmas until last few days?
    Cases are climbing because of uncontrolled widespread community transmission.
    People can try and rationalise the swab numbers and say things will balance out but its naive.
    Every metric is going in the wrong direction.
    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Testing staff on holidays?
    Labs are open 24/7 as they always are. That doesn't change at Christmas. Swabbing centres were open too. Turnaround times were the same last week as they have been.

    What was closed for a few days was gp practices. Referrals plummeted but cases were spreading undetected.


  • #1396
    Plumbthedepths
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    awec wrote: »
    You are operating under the pretense that without an easing of restrictions there'd be no disruption the next few months.

    I think this is a fallacy.

    It’s like stay in lockdown to avoid lockdown. Weird sort of logic.


  • #1397
    boombang
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    IMG-20201229-WA0000.jpg

    Not sure if this is an appropriate place to post. Crazy stuff.


  • #1398
    eigrod
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    https://twitter.com/shanebeattynews/status/1343955254098997249?s=21


  • #1399
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I would share your optimism, however the recent past colours my outlook. We have stood by in the West and allowed developing nations suffer under crippling debt. Once the economic powerhouses are operating at normal pace Capitalism will reassert itself.However as you say perhaps for another thread, but austerity in one form or another is on the horizon. People confuse GNP with GDP.

    I think cancelling debt will potentially lead to all kinds of tensions and conflicts.


  • #1400
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    What do you mean testing is not where it should be.
    You can only process tests on people that come forward for referral.

    We have the capacity and we've shown that with processing over 23,000 tests in one day. You cant test swabs that havent been taken.


    Didn't they cancel the second test for close contacts recently due to the high demand for testing?

    If they did testing isnt where it should be.


  • #1401
    MOR316
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    boombang wrote: »
    IMG-20201229-WA0000.jpg

    Not sure if this is an appropriate place to post. Crazy stuff.

    Crazy they're not vaccinating their children or crazy that they are making that statement? :confused:


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  • #1402
    blade1
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    boombang wrote: »
    IMG-20201229-WA0000.jpg

    Not sure if this is an appropriate place to post. Crazy stuff.

    Why?
    Didn't think children were getting vaccinated anyway as things stand right now.


  • #1403
    KrustyUCC
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    eigrod wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/shanebeattynews/status/1343955254098997249?s=21

    not surprising unfortunately


  • #1404
    Stheno
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    Just like there'll be people who'll freak out if their gym/pub/hairdresser closes for the day or they have to wash their hands. Let's all just make up bs.

    There have been a few article written on this subject, basically saying that people will have to essentially reset psychologically

    Take someone who used work from an office

    They may have spent a year or more working from home, not using public transport and not meeting people in groups

    It will be a big change to go back to that office environment

    What will help is that the adjustments will be gradual

    I don't think its something to be taken lightly

    It won't affect everyone, but it will affect a sizeable minority

    I'd be fairly certain you'll hear doctors talk about it as an issue when we get to the end of this

    Vaccines will give people some reassurance but solitary behaviours that are now routine for people will have to be broken


  • #1405
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think cancelling debt will potentially lead to all kinds of tensions and conflicts.

    Well I for one can’t see the Germans or the other fiscally responsible countries going for either but as Nerco suggests it’s perhaps for a separate thread.


  • #1406
    Ficheall
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    That Galway, aye, boombang?


  • #1407
    titan18
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    awec wrote: »
    You can’t work from home if kids are at home. This is why they are so keen to keep schools open, closing them down has an enormous cascading cost.

    Loads did back in march/April/may tbf and managed. It ain't ideal but it is possible


  • #1408
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    blade1 wrote: »
    Why,
    Didn't think children were getting vaccinated anyway as things stand right now.
    It's actually the measles vaccine, with the dismissed claim that's it's linked to autism, that is fuelling this.


  • #1409
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    Are we in Level 5 now? I get confused by it all.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #1410
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    Loads did back in march/April/may tbf and managed. It ain't ideal but it is possible
    In March we just locked our doors, you'd expect a bit more thought going into actions now.


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  • #1411
    Plumbthedepths
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    titan18 wrote: »
    Loads did back in march/April/may tbf and managed. It ain't ideal but it is possible

    Whatever about Mummy or Daddy it was terrible for the kids.


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