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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #1202
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Donnelly on radio 1 now

    Suggesting closure of retail and gymns.


  • #1203
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Suggesting closure of retail and gymns.

    Listening to it now, he's not saying that.

    What he said was NPHET wrote to them again yesterday with the same advice as pre Christmas which is full level 5. They'll discuss it again like they did last week.


  • #1204
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-planning-disaster-germany-and-europe-could-fall-short-on-vaccine-supplies-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd

    The contrast is unmistakable. On the one hand, there is the supposedly incompetent Trump administration, which will provide vaccines to 20 million Americans in the next two to three weeks alone. By the end of March, the plan is for around 100 million Americans to have received the two vaccine injections they need.

    On the other hand, there is the supposedly well-prepared Europeans, who continue to have to wait for a vaccine that was developed in Germany. And who still don’t know exactly how much of the vaccine they will be getting in the coming months.


  • #1205
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Suggesting closure of retail and gymns.

    Any mention of the 5km?


  • #1206
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Suggesting closure of retail and gymns.

    If gyms/retail remaining open is being scrutinised on a daily basis for three months then they will close sooner or later. Probably sooner.


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  • #1207
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,154 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Listening to it now, he's not saying that.

    What he said was NPHET wrote to them again yesterday with the same advice as pre Christmas which is full level 5. They'll discuss it again

    Don't know what he meant about possible restrictions on home visits when there's not meant to be any after 1st anyway. Unless they're changing it for tomorrow and 31st


  • #1208
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    Any mention of the 5km?

    All he said was they'll discuss the NPHET letter from yesterday which had the same suggestions as the pre Christmas letter.


  • #1209
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The latest thing from the WHO is that the virus is here and won't be going anywhere and we have to continue wearing masks after vaccinations because they don't know about transmission. It will probably become an epidemic.

    If the virus is here to stay amongst us, we're being told we have to live with it which involves shutting down the country. But why can't our government learn to live with this virus as well? Surely this involves control at the airports and enforced quarantine?

    We seem to be relying on vaccines to get us out of this whole mess but turns out vaccines might not be the answer if it doesn't stop transmission.

    No vaccine no entry to the country. Hopefully the Brits will do the same.


  • #1210
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Listening to it now, he's not saying that.

    What he said was NPHET wrote to them again yesterday with the same advice as pre Christmas which is full level 5. They'll discuss it again like they did last week.

    Maybe I misinterpreted?
    He did mention them, but I missed the start.


  • #1211
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    bikeman1 wrote: »
    From what I could make out on my social media, the healthcare workers I know of, GPs, Covid Nurse and other healthcare settings had a full and normal Christmas with gatherings in houses and get togethers from multiple families as they tried to have a normal Christmas.

    Can some people not realise that, a few days of something heading towards a “normal” Christmas gives you a huge mental boost and allows many of us face headlong into a tough January, but one that we know how to get out of.

    We know that numbers go up when socialising happens. This is not a surprise. Everyone did what they did (Shopping / Meals Out / House Visits / Travel) full well with the knowledge that it would increase the numbers, but the boost it gave them is what drove them on. Now we lock it down again and ride it out but this time with vaccinations being the key extra tool this time protecting the most vulnerable.

    For me the excess deaths is the true metric for measuring how any country does in this whole thing, and for that we are doing very well. A lot of pre Christmas testing, both private and public has picked up a lot of cases that might have gone missed which way will serve society better that they were picked up before Christmas and stopped the spread in the homes.

    So much wrong with this post.

    The mental boost some people got for having a quasi normal christmas is not going to be worth the thousands of covid cases as a consequence.

    Everyone did not go on shopping sprees, meals out etc. The majority, as always, behaved responsibly over christmas and limited contacts, didn't travel etc.

    Its the usual minority that have played fast and loose with the restrictions since the beginning that have us in this very predicament yet again. Personal responsibility is not even in their vocabulary.

    The government also has a lot to answer for for not protecting us from this cohort..Disregarding NPHETs advice and opening up hospitality and house visits has been an absolute disaster.


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  • #1212
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Stheno wrote: »
    Any mention of the 5km?

    Don't think so.


  • #1213
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-planning-disaster-germany-and-europe-could-fall-short-on-vaccine-supplies-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd

    The contrast is unmistakable. On the one hand, there is the supposedly incompetent Trump administration, which will provide vaccines to 20 million Americans in the next two to three weeks alone. By the end of March, the plan is for around 100 million Americans to have received the two vaccine injections they need.

    On the other hand, there is the supposedly well-prepared Europeans, who continue to have to wait for a vaccine that was developed in Germany. And who still don’t know exactly how much of the vaccine they will be getting in the coming months.

    Is that the same US that has made an absolute mess of the vaccine rollout, and have only given 2.1 million people their first dose, despite having access to plentiful supply for weeks now?


  • #1214
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    All he said was they'll discuss the NPHET letter from yesterday which had the same suggestions as the pre Christmas letter.

    And they're never going to say anything different really while cases continue. Like asking a doctor if you should go on the piss every Friday. They'll always say No!


  • #1215
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    SAGE advising secondary school closures in the UK. Donnelly was like it's not even being considered here. Wonder what the underlying difference are that results in different advice.

    Is NPHETs advice on schools in line with government policy on keeping schools open?


  • #1216
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    ginoginelli wrote: »
    So much wrong with this post.

    The mental boost some people got for having a quasi normal christmas is not going to be worth the thousands of covid cases as a consequence.

    Everyone did not go on shopping sprees, meals out etc. The majority, as always, behaved responsibly over christmas and limited contacts, didn't travel etc.

    Its the usual minority that have played fast and loose with the restrictions since the beginning that have us in this very predicament yet again. Personal responsibility is not even in their vocabulary.

    The government also has a lot to answer for for not protecting us from this cohort..Disregarding NPHETs advice and opening up hospitality and house visits has been an absolute disaster.

    I think you are wrong. Most people I know used the bit of extra freedom they were afforded over the Christmas, went shopping or out for a meal with their partner, visited friends or family. If you didn’t that is your prerogative.


  • #1217
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Yeah I don't see that in the figures.
    Since the start the average daily number in hospital with Covid (excluding in ICU) was 198 patients a day. That's span over 297 days. 5027 have been hospitalized (excluding ICU).
    So (198*297)/5027=11.7 days average stay.
    My math can be totally wrong though.

    Well I am useless at maths, so am just going on the article and assuming it has been researched at some level


  • #1218
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    Wombatman wrote: »
    SAGE advising secondary school closures in the UK. Donnelly was like it's not even being considered here. Wonder what the underlying difference are that results in different advice.

    Is NPHETs advice on schools in line with government policy on keeping schools open?

    1 death here yesterday, in excess of 300 there


  • #1219
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    So much wrong with this post.

    The mental boost some people got for having a quasi normal christmas is not going to be worth the thousands of covid cases as a consequence.

    Everyone did not go on shopping sprees, meals out etc. The majority, as always, behaved responsibly over christmas and limited contacts, didn't travel etc.

    Its the usual minority that have played fast and loose with the restrictions since the beginning that have us in this very predicament yet again. Personal responsibility is not even in their vocabulary.

    The government also has a lot to answer for for not protecting us from this cohort..Disregarding NPHETs advice and opening up hospitality and house visits has been an absolute disaster.

    Hang on are you saying we should have had no home visits over Christmas.


  • #1220
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Oxford vaccine unlikely to be rolled out in EU in January as EMA look for more data on ‘quality’ of vaccine

    https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/oxford-vaccine-unlikely-to-be-rolled-out-in-eu-in-january-as-ema-look-for-more-data-on-quality-of-vaccine-39910182.html?__twitter_impression=true

    EU red tape holding us back while the Brits will be finished vaccinations by Easter.


  • #1221
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    https://twitter.com/CcoHse/status/1343913704631513090?s=19


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  • #1222
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    All these anecdotes about how many people we all see out and about and drastically different perspectives depending on your circumstances are just so meaningless, in fact they are worse than useless they just confuse and frustrate people and clarify absolutely nothing whatsoever.

    Number of confirmed contacts is the only way to quanitify, close contacts of the average infected person have gone up from 3.5 in Mid December, to 5 after Christmas.
    So people are definitely meeting more people than they did in prior weeks, but not going crazy, the average number of social contacts is clearly still quite limited for the average Irish person.


  • #1223
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Listening to BBC world service there, 6 hour waits reported for ambulances as they are stuck with patients at hospitals. Could get really messy there in the next few weeks.


  • #1224
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,247 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Oxford vaccine unlikely to be rolled out in EU in January as EMA look for more data on ‘quality’ of vaccine

    https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/oxford-vaccine-unlikely-to-be-rolled-out-in-eu-in-january-as-ema-look-for-more-data-on-quality-of-vaccine-39910182.html?__twitter_impression=true

    EU red tape holding us back while the Brits will be finished vaccinations by Easter.

    Good.


  • #1225
    [Deleted User]
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Good.

    Good? Good that we're delaying the vaccine? We'll be significantly behind the UK if Oxford isn't approved until February.


  • #1226
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    AdamD wrote: »
    Good? Good that we're delaying the vaccine? We'll be significantly behind the UK if Oxford isn't approved until February.

    I don't think oxford vax has been approved yet by UK either, could be wrong though.


  • #1227
    Lollipop95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    Pretty predictable what will happen. NPHET suggest full level 5 and government will go against their advice before inevitably implementing it when cases rise


  • #1228
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,247 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    AdamD wrote: »
    Good? Good that we're delaying the vaccine? We'll be significantly behind the UK if Oxford isn't approved until February.

    Good that we're taking the time to ensure it's safe and effective, if that takes an extra fortnight, so be it....


  • #1229
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    AdamD wrote: »
    Good? Good that we're delaying the vaccine? We'll be significantly behind the UK if Oxford isn't approved until February.

    The trial that they ran was a shambles - have already been told by FDA they will need to run another trial in the US - they got their best efficacy data by a mistake in dosing - I’m glad the EMA are actually reviewing the data properly rather than just approving anything that comes across their desk


  • #1230
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Oxford vaccine unlikely to be rolled out in EU in January as EMA look for more data on ‘quality’ of vaccine

    https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/oxford-vaccine-unlikely-to-be-rolled-out-in-eu-in-january-as-ema-look-for-more-data-on-quality-of-vaccine-39910182.html?__twitter_impression=true

    EU red tape holding us back while the Brits will be finished vaccinations by Easter.

    Absolutely nothing holding back any EU country approving any vaccine themselves for emergency use. As seen by the UK (Pfizer) and Hungary (Sputnik).


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  • #1231
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The case rises in the next few days are already seeded and are the result of the pre and during Christmas free for all observed around the country. These cases cannot be stopped by forcing people to exercise within 5km of their home and closing clothes shops.

    Stephen Donnelly is sounding a lot more coherent these days than at the start. In fairness he was thrown in at the deepest of deep ends, but his communication re: additional restrictions and the vaccine rollout on RTE Radio 1 there at lunch was much improved.


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