Discovery 3x11 - "Su'Kal" ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

Painting Saru as an ineffectual captain that might make compromised emotional decisions getting lectured by...Michael Burnham.

Right.

Actually thought this episode had hints of what potential this show has but I just don't care about the characters which is a result of the writing.

silverharp wrote: »

i got one good unexpected laugh out of it, was watching the episode with my wife, I was wondering why Saru hadnt said in the last episode he knew the woman was pregnant, my wife said "because they hadnt thought of it yet"

Ah, yes, but what you haven't yet realised about Kelpians is that <plot-contrivance> and <mcguffin>.

Again, bones of a good episode ruined by poor writing.

Burnham lecturing on objectivity? GTFO. Surely there was someone else who could have been picked for that.

Kelpian feotus randomly mutating to suit the environment? Gonna need more woo and mcguffins to accept that one.

Apparently Discovery's crew are too inept to consider cloaking when they're just sitting in the open. And in a time when everyone has personal transporters, each ship isn't equipped with some form of interference generator to stop people beaming in?

The exchange from Tilly does have precedence - in Season one when she pretended to be Captain Killy. So that's not bad writing.

Michael saying Saru was unable to be subjective was as stupid as Abrams Kirk taking command of the Enterprise by saying Spock was too emotional.

At least Tilly, as number 1, was left in charge, unlike other ST series where all high ranking officers go on the away missions.

Tough time being a Star Trek and Star Wars fan with Discovery and the three latest Star Wars Movies. Really disappointing writing.

Number 1, came about from Naval operations, as the second in command of a Naval ship, ie, he or she is the First of the rest, as the Captain, by tradition in the RN, at least, is not a member of the wardroom because of his or her isolated position as the Captain (or Master) of the vessel and to this day, does not dine in the wardroom and technically,may not enter the wardroom except by invitation. In small ships, with no room for a seperate wardroom, the Captain will dine in the wardroom but he will have his own cabin. The Captain's day room or cabin is traditionally located close to the bridge. Also, as Star Trek tries to stick to tradition, the Captain is normally announced onto the bridge and visitors to the bridge normally ask permission to enter the bridge.

AllForIt wrote: »

I think that was the best episode of the series so far and rather good, and I find myself in shock saying that. Or maybe the least worst episode ever. No, I did actually enjoy that episode maybe just because it kept my attention all the way though which would be a first for S3.

I thought both Tilly's scene during the stand off and Burnham's interaction with the Kelpien was rather good. Or maybe I have just lowered my standards. I think that's the first time they've gone on an away mission that it has grabbed my attention in the way Star Trek of old used to. Apart from the early scene with Tilly and Burnham it's the first time Burnham wasn't really annoying.

This series is so frustrating. The odd time I like it but most of the time I don't.

No. No.

Burnham was annoying. She was.

kowloon wrote: »

Ensign then, which makes feck all sense having her in charge of the ship when there are more experienced crew left, right and centre.
But who knows who any of them are because this series is doing a terrible job of introducing other members of the crew. The first season of any other Trek show would have all the regulars seem like regulars and not extras.

Maybe Saru doesn't know their names either and it was just easier and less socially awkward to pick Tilly?

It's a bit of a mix, but the episode had some pretty good Trek elements, and for what was essentially a holodeck episode, they did a very good job. I wonder what set they borrowed this dream-sequence from? I say this because they hadn't bothered showing the interior of the Kelpian ship and I was curious to see the interior of a Starfleet / Federation vessel of the time...but we got nothing. I wonder if they got creative with the resources they had and made this nightmare holo-program out of stuff available at the studio, since I still feel that they overloaded the budget. Might also explain why we actually get Saru's actor without his makeup.

Seeing him without makeup also makes me fear that this is indeed Saru's end. The actor might have wanted at least one episode with his actual face, and they have already set up the precedent of crew members leaving when they encounter their own race. They toned down Michael in this one too, which helped at lot...but if she becomes Captain...I'm done. She's not Starfleet material, she's not captain material and if the producers think that passionate "loud-whispering" speeches at people is the same as captaining a starship, then I'll be unable to watch. Saru was an anchor that kept me watching, cast him off and you lose me as well.

FO Tilly is *alright* but I was disappointed with her banter with Oisyraa. Instead of owning the Conn and shooting Oisyraa down, she started back-talking her taunts and trying to throw them back at her. Didn't really feel like a good moment of Captaincy. Should have also withdrawn Discovery as soon as they knew a Chain vessel was approaching. Very stupid move which I don't understand beyond Tilly being crap at the job.

The ending cliffhanger does make me want to watch how this plays out. The "Ship under seige" plot is something we sometimes get in Trek and it's often good. I wonder how Discovery will do it....and can they manage it without Michael using her God-Mode cheat?

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately not. There'd be a scene where they all cried. They'd then do a toast thing where they would reminisce about him and mourn his passing, although they only knew him for an hour. The writers never miss this opportunity. It's their go to



'So, we done?'
'Er, we're 3 minutes short'
'Who's died this episode?' All writers look to each other and in unison...
'MOURNING SCENE!'

Saru: (Toasting) I remember when I first met Sukal...

Tilly: Sir....that was like....6 hours ago....

Saru: ....and that's why I remember....

bilbot79 wrote: »

Kathryn Janeway was a great leader.

Johnny Storm wrote: »

ah, here

Say what you want about Janeway, she would have sorted this by now

Arrives in 31st century, straight to earth
Earth Leader: We are no longer in the federation
[25 minutes later]
Earth Leader: We pledge ourselves to Janway (grunt from behind), i mean, the Federation

Arrives at Starfleet Command
Admiral: We have no way to verify your story, so we cannot discuss classified Material
Janeway: Can i speak to you alone for a moment
[15 minutes later Admiral reappears bruised battered and concust]
Admiral: Id like to announce that i have handed over command of the Galaxy, i mean, starfleet, to Supreme Chancellor and Fleet Admiral Janway

Encounters the Orions
Orion Leader: Pah, Starfleet are no match for us!
Orion Lackey: Commander theres an incoming private communication for you, from Starfleet
[10 minutes later]
Orion Leader: Ok guys iv been thinking of a change of Scenery, lets head to the Andromeda Galaxy, Maximum Slipstream
Orion Lackey:But commander what about..
Orion Leader: MAXIMUM SPEED PUT AS MUCH DISTANCE AS YOU CAN BETWEEN US AND THIS GALAXY, NOW, BEFORE SHE GETS HERE