Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

expectationlost · 27-12-2020 12:29AM

does Ensign Tilly not deserve a promotion in rank at any point?

Joe Don Dante · 27-12-2020 12:33AM

this show has gone to the dogs

RandomViewer · 27-12-2020 12:50AM

TheValeyard wrote: »

And rumours of a Team up with Picard/ Janeway show

Picard is in 24th century, arent they stuck in 31st?

Stark · 27-12-2020 10:38AM

Janeway-J

beauf · 27-12-2020 10:47AM

expectationlost wrote: »

does Ensign Tilly not deserve a promotion in rank at any point?

The whole crew deserve posthumous promotions....

beauf · 27-12-2020 10:52AM

I can't watch it anymore. I wouldn't recommend this show to anyone.

Stark · 27-12-2020 11:13AM

beauf wrote: »

The whole crew deserve posthumous promotions....

Don't know about that. Seems they're all about the right level to me. Would you really promote any of the current bridge crew to Lt. Cmdr? They've made a lot of sacrifices sure, but they all still act like junior officers for the most part.

As for Tilly, I'm not even sure if she's completed her Academy training? In Season 1, she seemed to be on some kind of field experience mission as part of her cadet training. Then at the end of Season 1, she gets promoted straight to full ensign during that ceremony where they handed out promotions like sweets as reward for Discovery's Klingon war efforts. And it shows, she comes across as far more inexperienced than other ensigns we've seen on the show.

pixelburp · 27-12-2020 11:15AM

expectationlost wrote: »

does Ensign Tilly not deserve a promotion in rank at any point?

Not to command rank. I like Tilly and have defended her throughout the show. She's just another iteration of the Lt Barclay character, that awkward bumbling type. Basically, us, if we ever found ourselves on a starship. But Tilly just ain't a commander and the emotional hoops this show is trying to spin to justify it is really stretching my own patience.

I admire the sentiment it tries to convey -, which is basically that of love and support, a sadly lacking theme in many TV drama - but it's overriding basic pragmatism at every juncture now.

Banana Republic 1 · 27-12-2020 11:41AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Not to command rank. I like Tilly and have defended her throughout the show. She's just another iteration of the Lt Barclay character, that awkward bumbling type. Basically, us, if we ever found ourselves on a starship. But Tilly just ain't a commander and the emotional hoops this show is trying to spin to justify it is really stretching my own patience.

I admire the sentiment it tries to convey -, which is basically that of love and support, a sadly lacking theme in many TV drama - but it's overriding basic pragmatism at every juncture now.

There is an insidious nature to the Tilly plot after this episode. My impression all they way through was that the Tilly character was there to be relatable for a younger audience. They have spent three seasons blowing smoke up the character and now they have just cut the legs from under her within five minutes. Maybe she will make a come back but no doubt Mikey will take much of the glory.

So much for inclusion. Perhaps there is a lesson in her story like in the children’s story the snowman but with this motley band of writers I doubt it.

27-12-2020 11:54AM

I've been a fan of ST since the 70's. I liked voyager and enterprise even but discovery is beyond redemption. Its the biggest load of nonsense ever. But like all bad drama, I'll watch it to see if it gets any better

beauf · 27-12-2020 01:37PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Not to command rank. I like Tilly and have defended her throughout the show. She's just another iteration of the Lt Barclay character, that awkward bumbling type. Basically, us, if we ever found ourselves on a starship. But Tilly just ain't a commander and the emotional hoops this show is trying to spin to justify it is really stretching my own patience.

I admire the sentiment it tries to convey -, which is basically that of love and support, a sadly lacking theme in many TV drama - but it's overriding basic pragmatism at every juncture now.

This exactly.

The characters are one dimensional and constantly over wrought. There's no organisation that could function with so much angst and emotional baggage and self doubt over every action.

There's so much focus on that aspect that that I often forget what the objective of the episode, or even the main story line is. I simply lose interest. They go so far off the point, when they return to it, I've lost all context.

beauf · 27-12-2020 01:41PM

These are all people I would avoid at the Office Xmas Party.

RandomViewer · 27-12-2020 02:28PM

I liked the first series ,the second was okay but this one isn't working, they jumped too far and the ship should be obsolete , the jelly and matter workstations don't make sense when the heads up displays they had were more usable,

Varik · 28-12-2020 12:50AM

I like Mulgrew and Voyager but I don't have any hope for that it'll be any different than Picard, but maybe strange new worlds will end up being good.

beauf · 28-12-2020 01:49AM

Varik wrote: »

I like Mulgrew and Voyager but I don't have any hope for that it'll be any different than Picard, but maybe strange new worlds will end up being good.

I never liked how the Janeway character was written.

Rawr · 28-12-2020 09:28AM

beauf wrote: »

I never liked how the Janeway character was written.

I was of mixed feelings with Janeway. She was often poorly written for, but there were times were they seemed to get her right in terms of an isolated Starfleet Captain who was just about holding herself and her crew together. Did seem to depend on the writer.

Cookie_Monster · 28-12-2020 09:54AM

i was vaguely starting to like this show a little bit then Saru promoting Tilly to 1st officer is the stupidest thing in Trek, its worse than the transwarp salamanders ffs :rolleyes:

Banana Republic 1 · 28-12-2020 03:21PM

Varik wrote: »

I like Mulgrew and Voyager but I don't have any hope for that it'll be any different than Picard, but maybe strange new worlds will end up being good.

If they stick with klutzman and bad robot it’s not going to change much.

youcancallmeal · 29-12-2020 09:28AM

With every episode they stray further from the Star Trek light. Discovery is like a poorly written but very well budgeted fan fiction

Agent Coulson · 31-12-2020 11:13AM

Michael Burnham is such a dislikeable character and really puts me off watching the series.

RandomViewer · 31-12-2020 12:47PM

Have watched Picard over the last few nights and found it much more likeable, Each character is given some development ,possibly because the 80 year old Stewart not being able for some of the scenes

CastorTroy · 02-01-2021 01:44AM

Apart from official podcasts and other tie ins does anyone like Burnham? And if there are Burnham fans, what is their reasoning? A strong, black female character?

And at this point how would they go about changing things to make it less about her? It might seem pretty jarring if we start off season 4 focusing on other characters. Think if they started focusing more on other characters it might seem more like they're seeing up a spinoff.

TheValeyard · 02-01-2021 12:10PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Have watched Picard over the last few nights and found it much more likeable, Each character is given some development ,possibly because the 80 year old Stewart not being able for some of the scenes

Picard started off very strong, just completely lost its way towards the end.

pixelburp · 02-01-2021 12:13PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Picard started off very strong, just completely lost its way towards the end.

Picard's one overall strength was that it gave Data a much superior send-off than Nemesis ever was. The show spiralled off into insanity but the scene in the last episode, with Picard helping Data experience the android's life dream was bittersweet. The rest of that episode was hot garbage, but that scene was a big saving grace.

02-01-2021 12:19PM

I think this has finally surpassed Picard for me as the worst Trek ever. And I include all and any of Enterprise in that, though I really liked most of enterprise watching back.

Baggly · 02-01-2021 12:21PM

I did a rewatch of ENT on the back of my last posts in this thread and i have to say....its actually grand.

Maybe in 10 years time ill rewatch STD and it too will be grand....?

ilovesmybrick · 02-01-2021 12:24PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Picard started off very strong, just completely lost its way towards the end.

While I do agree that Picard was, overall, a bit dissapointing, mostly due to the final couple of episodes and some insane decisions (the ctrl + v fleet and the really poor way they used the Borg at the end) I still enjoyed it and looked forward to the episodes. I also didn't find myself groaning at scenes or making fun of the show. The writing was a bit stronger, and it had the advantage of characters that were fully developed (prior to the series), so we got some character development on the newly introduced characters. Dahj, Agnes, Rios and Raffi all had some form of character development or arc. You could at least imagine them having lived experiences away from Picards adventure.

In contrast the writing on discovery is poorer, after three seasons the character development, aside from Saru, ranges from poor to lacking, and I don't think Martin Green is a particularly strong actress to carry a show. Aside from Saru, and maybe Culber and Stamets, do any of these characters, after three seasons, strike you as having any kind of life or personality outside of the show?

pixelburp · 02-01-2021 12:35PM

I had thought that once some consistency within the production team was established, and the crazy merry-go-round of producers and directions therein had stopped, Discovery might finally attain some kind of pattern or identity. But while there were hints at the start of Season 3 this might finally have happened - I think the show is too far gone to save. There's going to be a Season 4 but better at this point to tear things up and put focus into another Trek show.

Being as it is the streaming era, we have next to zero idea how successful Disco is, either on CBS or Netflix, so this could remain a smash hit and indicators point towards the general public feeling differently to here. It's hard to know. Heck maybe Netflix paid a fortune and it's money for old rope wiht CBS (wouldn't be the first time with Netflix overpaying for something). The rot is too deep with this show and better that it's allowed die with some degree of dignity, let the franchise move forward with something fresh and definitive in its focus.

breezy1985 · 02-01-2021 12:39PM

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

While I do agree that Picard was, overall, a bit dissapointing, mostly due to the final couple of episodes and some insane decisions (the ctrl + v fleet and the really poor way they used the Borg at the end) I still enjoyed it and looked forward to the episodes. I also didn't find myself groaning at scenes or making fun of the show. The writing was a bit stronger, and it had the advantage of characters that were fully developed (prior to the series), so we got some character development on the newly introduced characters. Dahj, Agnes, Rios and Raffi all had some form of character development or arc. You could at least imagine them having lived experiences away from Picards adventure.

In contrast the writing on discovery is poorer, after three seasons the character development, aside from Saru, ranges from poor to lacking, and I don't think Martin Green is a particularly strong actress to carry a show. Aside from Saru, and maybe Culber and Stamets, do any of these characters, after three seasons, strike you as having any kind of life or personality outside of the show?

Same here the Picard crew have mostly stuck with me. The names, motivation, personality all stuck in my head pretty easy and outside of the Romulan ninja and Lannisters I liked the crew. Agnes was an easy one as I like the actor but Rios and Soji I had no expectations for but worked really well for me.

I would also say Stamets, Culber and Saru are the best but even they annoy me at times especially Saru this season

ilovesmybrick · 02-01-2021 02:14PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

especially Saru this season

I agree, though I would probably say that I'm more disappointed than annoyed with Saru's character. They set up a potentially very interesting developmental arc in season 2 for him, and then made him the captain of an outdated ship in a future vastly different from where they came from. And they did nothing with it but undermine any authority he had and spent no time exploring his new captaincy or the changes he experienced in season 2. This one nod maybe to this is when the admiral, out of nowhere, states the reason he didn't let them know about the nebula was because he hadn't seen a Kelpian in a while-which is a questionable assumption anyway since when he joined starfleet he had left all Kelpians behind forever.

The entire thing seems to be set up to make Saru seem to be a poor choice for captain so that it's passed tro Burnham with Saru's acquiescence. I really hope not, but this is not a show that has ever shown any subtletly or nuance.

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