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N22 - Macroom to Ballyvourney (Macroom Bypass) [open to traffic]

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    #1442
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Couple of points from driving this road 10 times a week at the minute:

    60km/h speed limit now in place at Carrigaphooca (this is for 12 months). The local road that meets the N22 here will multiplex with the future old N22 to cross under the new N22 here, there appears to be tarmac down where this new crossing will go so I assume they are to close the local road there shortly. With that in mind they'll likely put down the alignment that the existing N22 will move to shortly also if they plan to build the new N22 up on the existing alignment.

    The road at Ballyveerane was closed today due to tarmac being laid. I assume the new alignment of this road to the left of the existing road (heading north) is being prorgessed at the minute.

    The beams are in on the Lainey bridge as above. Up next will be the beams over the R618 but this requires a full overnight road closure.

    Still no work on the overbridge at Kilnagurteen. The cutting from Ballyveerane upto here is substantially complete so this will likely start soon also - there was a lot of blasting done up here.

    Rock removal is continuing apace at Toon Lain, Coolavokig, where the new N22 crosses the road to Renaniree from the Mons Bar, and at the western end of the Carrigaphooca junction.

    Overall, with these beam lifts on the 4 bridges (Sullane, Lainey, R618 and Foherish) the work on the ground is looking significantly more advanced. I note also that although work on the section between the towns only started in recent weeks, this section is light on structures and likely will be quicker to do than the other sections.

    The Mill Road is a joy to drive given it runs along the busiest part of the site for 1km or so. Would highly recommend for anyone travelling the route.


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    #1443
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭steeler j


    There's some videos on youtube off the beams passing through birr I think on there way to the scheme


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    #1444
    aisling86
    Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭aisling86


    Theres been a helicopter flying the bypass route the last 30min or so. The big crane is the one lifting the beams down mill road.


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    #1445
    mydiscworld
    Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭mydiscworld


    At what point does the bypass of Macroom start on the city side? Will you still go over the existing bridge over the Lee by Coolcower?


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    #1446
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    mydiscworld wrote: »
    At what point does the bypass of Macroom start on the city side? Will you still go over the existing bridge over the Lee by Coolcower?

    Yes.
    The bypass starts shortly after that bridge, on the Macroom side, near Circle K / Coolcower House entrance


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    #1447
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yes unfortunately. IMO this was short sighted, as a closure of this bridge will mean extremely complex diversions.


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    #1448
    Truckermal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Yes unfortunately. IMO this was short sighted, as a closure of this bridge will mean extremely complex diversions.

    Not really left before the Bridge, pass Danone, turn right and over the Bridge then right again but yes it would have been a much better project extended to Crookstown..


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    #1449
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭steeler j


    Truckermal wrote: »
    Not really left before the Bridge, pass Danone, turn right and over the Bridge then right again but yes it would have been a much better project extended to Crookstown..

    It can be tight road for trucks


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    #1450
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Truckermal wrote: »
    Not really left before the Bridge, pass Danone, turn right and over the Bridge then right again but yes it would have been a much better project extended to Crookstown..
    It would have required two new bridges, which would have pushed the cost up considerably.

    There are possible onward two routes from the Eastern end of this scheme towards Cork. The most likely is to cut out that whole winding section of N22 completely and take a direct line from Coolcower, cross the Lee once over to Mashanaglas, then again to Ballytrasna and rejoin the existing N22 route there: it means building two bridges, but that'll be a lot cheaper than doing an online upgrade of two bridges.


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    #1451
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Would it not be better to split from the new scheme further north, around the R618, and head east from there? Cross the river once where it is most suitable to do so, maybe even at the hydro station, and head for Ovens. Redesignate a chunk of the existing N22 as R585.


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    #1452
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    New road alignment for the local road at Carrigaphooca is open, the old N22 will be routed along part of this alignment under the new N22.

    The new road alignment at Ballyveerane was very close to open today. Another day or two work and it’s ready to go

    The beams for the R618 bridge were lifted either Wednesday night or last night. Another beam lift complete.

    I met more precast beams today heading west on the N40 around 7pm. Wonder where they’re off to


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    #1453
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    All Danone destination trucks already use that Castleview road to the left on the Cork side of the 2 mile bridge. As a temporary run it would be fine.


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    #1454
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭steeler j


    Water John wrote: »
    All Danone destination trucks already use that Castleview road to the left on the Cork side of the 2 mile bridge. As a temporary run it would be fine.

    How long would it be ,I have hauled into Danone so I know the road


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    #1455
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    Just been watching the Six One News - it is true we've spent a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?


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    #1456
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Just been watching the Six One News - it is true we've spent a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?

    Not sure what the population has to do with it. It's a massive bottleneck on a major and busy route that required intervention. It's to benefit the people that need to travel through Macroom, not the 4,000 that live there.


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    #1457
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Just been watching the Six One News - it is true we've spent a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?

    It’s not simply bypassing Macroom, it’s 22km of dual carriageway.

    The construction contract was €188m. I still haven’t seen a breakdown of the supposed €281m price tag because it’s not exactly prime land along much of the route.


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    #1458
    cantalach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Just been watching the Six One News - it is true we've spent a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?

    It’s a 22km dual carriageway bypass of one town, two villages, and a whole lot of dangerous road between them. And it is on a busy national primary route linking two counties that have such strong economic, social, and cultural ties that they frequently referred to like a couple.

    What is your point? That it isn’t on a road between Dublin and somewhere else?


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    #1459
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Just been watching the Six One News - it is true we've spent a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?

    That's 4,000 smart people as the saying goes that, Macroom never reared a fool.

    Bypass need dealt with very well by other posters.


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    #1460
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Just been watching the Six One News - it is true we've spent a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?

    Read up about the South Kerry Greenway, €20m squandered so a few rip-off hoteliers, pubs and restaurants can overcharge a few cyclists and walkers on the 95-120 days per year it is not raining heavily, all the while in an area with no proper public transport and a glorified bohereen as its only link in and out.

    The Macroom Bypass is excellent value for money and something the entire region will benefit from, the Greenway for me is nothing but political corruption. Kerry could do with NewcastleWest, Abbeyfeale, Adare, Templeglantine , Croagh and Adare being bypassed and the Killarney to Mallow N72 Goat track being rebuilt entirely as a 2x2 with the N73 from Mallow to Mitchelstown connecting to the M8 given the same 2x2 treatment.

    Covid will cost us €40bn, most of which is squandered keeping zombie jobs alive which should have had the plug pulled. If even one quarter of that money was put into real blocks and mortar infrastructure instead of welfare our economy would roar in the next 10-15 years.


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    #1461
    Nedved85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    theguzman wrote: »
    Read up about the South Kerry Greenway, €20m squandered so a few rip-off hoteliers, pubs and restaurants can overcharge a few cyclists and walkers on the 95-120 days per year it is not raining heavily, all the while in an area with no proper public transport and a glorified bohereen as its only link in and out.

    The Macroom Bypass is excellent value for money and something the entire region will benefit from, the Greenway for me is nothing but political corruption. Kerry could do with NewcastleWest, Abbeyfeale, Adare, Templeglantine , Croagh and Adare being bypassed and the Killarney to Mallow N72 Goat track being rebuilt entirely as a 2x2 with the N73 from Mallow to Mitchelstown connecting to the M8 given the same 2x2 treatment.

    Covid will cost us €40bn, most of which is squandered keeping zombie jobs alive which should have had the plug pulled. If even one quarter of that money was put into real blocks and mortar infrastructure instead of welfare our economy would roar in the next 10-15 years.

    Can't see why people moan about the Greenway. It has been fantastic for Waterford. An absolute game changer for them. Dungarvan is absolutely thriving from it. Locals and tourist benefit immensely. Outdoors, fitness, health, positivity. Bargain.


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    #1462
    cantalach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Nedved85 wrote: »
    Can't see why people moan about the Greenway.

    Probably because a surprisingly high % of the population seem to have a deep-seated pathological reaction to the word “cyclist” and anything relating to same.


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    #1463
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1340365420142968832?s=21


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    #1464
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    cantalach wrote: »
    Probably because a surprisingly high % of the population seem to have a deep-seated pathological reaction to the word “cyclist” and anything relating to same.

    Sadly this is pretty accurate.


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    #1465
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Nedved85 wrote: »
    Can't see why people moan about the Greenway. It has been fantastic for Waterford. An absolute game changer for them. Dungarvan is absolutely thriving from it. Locals and tourist benefit immensely. Outdoors, fitness, health, positivity. Bargain.

    If you talk to business owners in Kilmac, they'll tell you just how much "value" is in a greenway. Whatever about health benefits, anyone who doubts the economic viability of a greenway in Kerry doesn't quite understand the Kerry economy.

    Anyway this isn't the right thread for this weird discussion. I don't know why greenway bashing has any relevance on the N22 thread.

    I cycle more than I drive and I'm all in favour of the N22 upgrade. It's badly needed. Anyone who drove that road or looked at the traffic numbers would know. It's one of a few no-brainer roads upgrades around the country.


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    #1466
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    MOD:

    No more greenway talk. Fair enough to talk about the N22 bypass but not as an indirect method of cyclist bashing.

    Plenty to talk about after the last week or 2 regarding this scheme.

    The beams for the 2nd (eastern) span of the bridge over the R618 were lifted in on Friday night by the looks of things.

    New road alignment at Ballyveerane is open also with traffic management.


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    #1467
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭serfboard


    hans aus dtschl wrote: »
    I'm all in favour of the N22 upgrade. It's badly needed. Anyone who drove that road ... would know.
    That's it. Anyone who questions the need for this N22 upgrade has never driven it.


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    #1468
    Mrs Dempsey
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭Mrs Dempsey


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    ...........a quarter of a billion euro bypassing Macroom (pop 4000)?

    I likely know many of them - from staring @ them while in stationery traffic.

    That said I'm failing to grasp the correlation you highlight regarding the population of the bypassed town & the spend. Many would suggest traffic count a more appropriate metric when assessing VFM?

    Your moniker is kind of apposite? Happy Christmas.


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    #1469
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Reminds me of the nonsense talked about the M17/18 as if it was built to serve Gort and Tuam exclusively and absolutely no journeys to/from anywhere else could be made on it.


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    #1470
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Not to mind Danny and Michael trying to get to Dublin quickly, on important State business.


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    #1471
    yerwanthere123
    Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Wonder how long we'll be waiting for the next big N22 project. I think the proposed Macroom-Ovens scheme is officially called off until 2027, but God knows when that will get going again, if ever. Then there's the second proposed Killarney bypass, and another road linking Lissivigeen with the Muckross road. All probably pipe dreams though :)


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