The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

Strumms · 18-12-2020 10:50PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

29 Dublin background staff members listed in the match programme for the All Ireland Final tomorrow.

Twenty nine.

More staff members than players on the match day panel.

How many are full time Dublin GAA employees ? Or even employees ?

None...Looking at the names they are just Dubs... largely ex players or connected another way who have offered their services or were asked for help...

The fact that so many can and are willing to rally around the cause... help their county is of a great credit to them
.. teamwork... they give and require nothing back... to be lauded...

The Lost Sheep · 18-12-2020 10:50PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

29 Dublin background staff members listed in the match programme for the All Ireland Final tomorrow.

Twenty nine.

More staff members than players on the match day panel.

Many other counties have similar enough numbers in back room team. Tipp hurlers have 20 plus in the backroom.
Well they had 27 last year according to below article(paywall) so would assume similar enough this year

https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/sport/436763/here-is-the-27-man-management-team-which-is-working-to-cater-for-the-tipperary-players-every-need.html

Strumms · 18-12-2020 10:53PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Many other counties have similar enough numbers in back room team. Tipp hurlers have 20 plus in the backroom.
Well they had 27 last year according to below article(paywall) so would assume similar enough this year

https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/sport/436763/here-is-the-27-man-management-team-which-is-working-to-cater-for-the-tipperary-players-every-need.html

That wont quite suit the agenda

facts and the truth rarely do

EICVD · 18-12-2020 11:06PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

29 Dublin background staff members listed in the match programme for the All Ireland Final tomorrow.

Twenty nine.

More staff members than players on the match day panel.

Nice of you to give the back room team a bit of recognition they deserve

Strumms · 18-12-2020 11:19PM

Should people kick up over the 7 million pounds that Tyrone splashed on their center of excellence, the Garvaghy Centre ?

http://tyronegaacentre.com/facilities/

Probably the biggest and best investment in the country.... my view, good luck to them... because most other counties don’t have this type or scope of facilities ? Or the capability or indeed ambition to build their version ? That becomes Tyrone’s problem ? Nope... they have the ambition, desire, foresight and resources, go do it....

Almost 8 million euros... if the Dubs tomorrow said they were shelling out a similar cheque for their own state of the art facility? Uproar !

We’d be getting told we have a professional state of the art facility and because others don’t, it’s unfair !

. It’s referred to as their center of excellence...frankly I say well done.

TheDalioLama · 19-12-2020 12:50AM

Funded largely by local Tyrone patrons though wasn't it?

Dublin don’t need to build a head quarters like that as they have plenty of club, college and other private facilities available to them. They can just go and use DCU. Our Provincial Rugby teams adopt a similar approach. (Leinster use UCD, Munster train in UL).

Those type of facilities aren’t available in Tyrone (or Kerry) which is why they have to build facilities like this to have access to them.

ClanofLams · 19-12-2020 01:04AM

The best thing that could happen tomorrow for anyone who wants competitive championship restored is Dublin winning by ten plus. Narrow Dublin win/Mayo shock will only postpone the needed changes. Reality is a hundred years ago Dublin had 10% of the population of the island, now it's north of 20% and likely only going one way. Combine that with funding imbalance and you get domination which is what we are seeing. 1880s structures are no longer fit for purpose.

Having said that, Mayo deserve an All-Ireland, truly outstanding team to be the only county competitive with the Dublin behemoth the last five/six years.

StupidLikeAFox · 19-12-2020 01:15AM

Also didn't Dublin buy Spawell for 9m a few years ago and also a golf course on the Northside as well for God knows how many millions.

I can guarantee there was a lot more fundraising from the grassroots of Tyrone gaa to fund their centre - they don't have anything like the income stream that Dublin have to pay for these kind of capital projects

dunnerc · 19-12-2020 01:31AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

The best thing that could happen tomorrow for anyone who wants competitive championship restored is Dublin winning by ten plus. Narrow Dublin win/Mayo shock will only postpone the needed changes. Reality is a hundred years ago Dublin had 10% of the population of the island, now it's north of 20% and likely only going one way. Combine that with funding imbalance and you get domination which is what we are seeing. 1880s structures are no longer fit for purpose.

Having said that, Mayo deserve an All-Ireland, truly outstanding team to be the only county competitive with the Dublin behemoth the last five/six years.

Nobody deserves an All Ireland ,;)

Strumms · 19-12-2020 02:47AM

dunnerc wrote: »

Nobody deserves an All Ireland ,;)

Precisely... when the final whistle goes, the scoreboard determines who deserves it. You have some people now claiming before a ball is thrown in or a whistle blown... that some team ‘deserves it’. In sport, the team who deserves it is determined by the performance and scoreboard.

Manchester United play Leeds tomorrow, if Leeds win 1-2, they deserve it. Score reversed Manchester United deserve it. Maybe Leeds play better but united score more, they deserve it.

Some people have this weird entitlement overview of competitive sport. While GAA is an amateur sport, players are not payed, it’s still competitive ....

Kilkenny won 9 out of 10 in the hurling between 06-15 I think were the years....

Almost double the streak the Dublin footballers have enjoyed...

Good luck to them....their opportunity to succeed should not be diluted, be made unable because it throws other people’s noses out of joint.

Every sports person / team / organization on this planet, trains, practices, plans and organizes...to win, every competition, tournament, game, match they play in....that’s competitive sport. They want to bury and dominate the opposition.

Stephen Hendry won 5 snooker world championships in a row. Nobody was asking him to sell the nice Strachan snooker table at home in his mansion and instead go with a Riley to even things up.

Mayo win, good luck to em... Dublin too... may the best team win.

ClanofLams · 19-12-2020 03:15AM

Strumms wrote: »

Precisely... when the final whistle goes, the scoreboard determines who deserves it. You have some people now claiming before a ball is thrown in or a whistle blown... that some team ‘deserves it’. In sport, the team who deserves it is determined by the performance and scoreboard.

Manchester United play Leeds tomorrow, if Leeds win 1-2, they deserve it. Score reversed Manchester United deserve it. Maybe Leeds play better but united score more, they deserve it.

Some people have this weird entitlement overview of competitive sport. While GAA is an amateur sport, players are not payed, it’s still competitive ....

Kilkenny won 9 out of 10 in the hurling between 06-15 I think were the years....

Almost double the streak the Dublin footballers have enjoyed...

Good luck to them....their opportunity to succeed should not be diluted, be made unable because it throws other people’s noses out of joint.

Every sports person / team / organization on this planet, trains, practices, plans and organizes...to win, every competition, tournament, game, match they play in....that’s competitive sport. They want to bury and dominate the opposition.

Stephen Hendry won 5 snooker world championships in a row. Nobody was asking him to sell the nice Strachan snooker table at home in his mansion and instead go with a Riley to even things up.

Mayo win, good luck to em... Dublin too... may the best team win.

Jaysus talk about going on a rant over a turn of phrase. I'm happy to edit the "deserves" to it would be good to see Mayo win given extraordinary achievement of being only county to stay competitive with an exceptional team pulled from a county with ten times their population and far greater financial resources.

I saw you posting above talking about 'facts and truth'. It's interesting but unsurprising that the substance of my post was ignored and a turn of phrase focused on.

The facts/substance is below, I will be waiting a long time for anyone to point out an inaccuracy in the substance.

"Reality is a hundred years ago Dublin had 10% of the population of the island, now it's north of 20% and likely only going one way. Combine that with funding imbalance and you get domination which is what we are seeing. 1880s structures are no longer fit for purpose."

ooter · 19-12-2020 10:14AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

now it's north of 20% and likely only going one way. Combine that with funding imbalance and you get domination which is what we are seeing

Not seeing it in hurling though are we, you'd think with all these extra people to choose from and all the money swimming around they'd be way more successful.

ArielAtom · 19-12-2020 10:23AM

Mayo have a back room team to. Shock horror. And a values and behaviours coach, now there’s a new one.

JeffKenna · 19-12-2020 10:25AM

ooter wrote: »

Not seeing it in hurling though are we, you'd think with all these extra people to choose from and all the money swimming around they'd be way more successful.

Maybe because there best hurlers are on the football team?

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 10:28AM

Strumms wrote: »

That wont quite suit the agenda facts and the truth rarely do

Dublin spend over 2 million on wages and salaries every year. Who is getting paid with this money?

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 10:36AM

Strumms wrote: »

Should people kick up over the 7 million pounds that Tyrone splashed on their center of excellence, the Garvaghy Centre ?

http://tyronegaacentre.com/facilities/

Probably the biggest and best investment in the country.... my view, good luck to them... because most other counties don’t have this type or scope of facilities ? Or the capability or indeed ambition to build their version ? That becomes Tyrone’s problem ? Nope... they have the ambition, desire, foresight and resources, go do it....

Almost 8 million euros... if the Dubs tomorrow said they were shelling out a similar cheque for their own state of the art facility? Uproar !

We’d be getting told we have a professional state of the art facility and because others don’t, it’s unfair ! . It’s referred to as their center of excellence...frankly I say well done.

300 million + on Croke Park, Dublin's home football pitch. Spawell, 9 million? How much have Dublin GAA bought Hollystown golf club for?

In fairness, these locations can be used for home pitches when the split happens. Hollystown can be the home ground for Fingal maybe and Spawell can host South Dublin.

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 10:37AM

ooter wrote: »

Not seeing it in hurling though are we, you'd think with all these extra people to choose from and all the money swimming around they'd be way more successful.

We all agree that it's embarrassing for Dublin.

ooter · 19-12-2020 10:42AM

Shocking waste of money, what the footballers have done sort of balances it out. Still can't understand why they don't bring in the same backroom team for both codes.

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 10:47AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Mayo have a back room team to. Shock horror. And a values and behaviours coach, now there’s a new one.

Do you ever notice that the Dubs are very vocal about discussing other counties finances and set ups but when it comes to their own, they go silent?

Let's get some comments on a few things I'll list below.

Dublin 25 million + in games development funding alone this century. The second highest in Cork got under 2 million.

Dublin spend over 2 million per year on wages and salaries.

Spawell 9 million. Hollystown 15 million?

Vodafone sponsorship deal - 6 million

AIG sponsorship deal - 1 million per year

Huge list of other sponsors.

Any comments on the above? I'd say the chances on any will be quite slim, maybe a few whataboutery comments only.

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 10:48AM

ooter wrote: »

Shocking waste of money, what the footballers have done sort of balances it out. Still can't understand why they don't bring in the same backroom team for both codes.

Yes, along with the footballer's improvement all being down to volunteers, I wonder when Dublin GAA will be returning the 25 million euros?

ooter · 19-12-2020 11:07AM

If the gaa ask for it back I'm sure they can come to some arrangement.
It matters not a jot what me or anyone else thinks about the rights and wrongs of Dublin receiving the amount of development money they did, all that matters is that the gaa deemed it necessary and I can't see them looking for it back any time soon.
But I'm amazed they haven't come calling for at least half of it back to be honest, Dublin hurling spending like there's no tomorrow and only a Leinster and a league to show for it. :eek:

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 02:00PM

ooter wrote: »

If the gaa ask for it back I'm sure they can come to some arrangement.
It matters not a jot what me or anyone else thinks about the rights and wrongs of Dublin receiving the amount of development money they did, all that matters is that the gaa deemed it necessary and I can't see them looking for it back any time soon.
But I'm amazed they haven't come calling for at least half of it back to be honest, Dublin hurling spending like there's no tomorrow and only a Leinster and a league to show for it. :eek:

I understand your disgust at the poor showing from the hurlers given all the resources. Do you have any comments on the list below?

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin 25 million + in games development funding alone this century. The second highest in Cork got under 2 million.

Dublin spend over 2 million per year on wages and salaries.

Spawell 9 million. Hollystown 15 million?

Vodafone sponsorship deal - 6 million

AIG sponsorship deal - 1 million per year

Huge list of other sponsors.

EICVD · 19-12-2020 03:07PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I understand your disgust at the poor showing from the hurlers given all the resources. Do you have any comments on the list below?

Ah Ewan have a day off

ooter · 19-12-2020 03:21PM

The 1 million Dublin spend on wages and salaries for the footballers is outstanding value.

Fann Linn · 19-12-2020 03:30PM

ooter wrote: »

The 1 million Dublin spend on wages and salaries for the footballers is outstanding value.

Sets reminder to get bitter lemon for later.

ClanofLams · 19-12-2020 03:42PM

ooter wrote: »

Not seeing it in hurling though are we, you'd think with all these extra people to choose from and all the money swimming around they'd be way more successful.

Gone from getting knocked out of Leinster championship by Westmeath in 2005 to winning first Leinster championship in fifty odd years, generally being competitive against the top teams in the country (knocking out back to back All Ireland finalists Galway last year etc) no leinster club titles, now a a Dublin club has won back to back All Irelands.

Started without the tradition of football in Dublin and from a much much lower base but Dublin hurling has been transformed too.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 19-12-2020 04:09PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

Gone from getting knocked out of Leinster championship by Westmeath in 2005 to winning first Leinster championship in fifty odd years, generally being competitive against the top teams in the country (knocking out back to back All Ireland finalists Galway last year etc) no leinster club titles, now a a Dublin club has won back to back All Irelands.

Started without the tradition of football in Dublin and from a much much lower base but Dublin hurling has been transformed too.

You can point this out all day, but they'll never acknowledge it.

NIMAN · 19-12-2020 04:10PM

What price are Dublin today?

Dr. Bre · 19-12-2020 05:04PM

NIMAN wrote: »

What price are Dublin today?

2/9

Enquiring · 19-12-2020 05:43PM

EICVD wrote: »

Ah Ewan have a day off

Fann Linn wrote: »

Sets reminder to get bitter lemon for later.

Yet again, the Dubs get very shy when discussing their own finances. Very strange, it's almost like they can't defend it.

Massive game coming up. The GAA/Dublin GAA need Mayo to keep the game close.

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