The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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kilns wrote: »

lol why bother trying to engage with people like you

ignored.

You are free to counter the facts I provided but have failed to do so.

ooter

Kerry won 5 minor all Irelands in a row, hasn't transferred to the big boys though.
Underage is a poor barometer, the cream always rises to the top, look at Fenton.

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ooter wrote: »

Kerry won 5 minor all Irelands in a row, hasn't transferred to the big boys though.
Underage is a poor barometer, the cream always rises to the top, look at Fenton.

That leads us perfectly onto the next part of the financial issues which has left us in the situation where Dublin must be split. We've discussed the 25 million Dublin have received this decade for player development. Not one reasonable excuse has been given for that level of funding.

Next we should move onto money spent on team preparations. The Dublin backroom teams in hurling and football have been well publicised at this stage. Very large teams of highly qualified people covering all angles of preparation. We can get into more detail on it of course but I think one of the main additions was the hiring of their professional basketball coach. Anyone with any knowledge of basketball can see the influence this coach in particular has had. The possession game and the movement, lines of running etc are based on basketball.

As I said, we can get into more detail on other areas but being able to buy in a professional coach to help improve a certain area of difficulty is very handy to have. Not many counties can afford to hire coaches like that at will.

I think maybe looking at the huge resources put into Dublins senior teams will give us an indication of how they develop underage talent into senior talent. And just to preempt, this spend is without having to factor in much travel costs compared with other counties.

Boom__Boom

Enquiring wrote: »

That leads us perfectly onto the next part of the financial issues which has left us in the situation where Dublin must be split. We've discussed the 25 million Dublin have received this decade for player development. Not one reasonable excuse has been given for that level of funding.

Next we should move onto money spent on team preparations. The Dublin backroom teams in hurling and football have been well publicised at this stage. Very large teams of highly qualified people covering all angles of preparation. We can get into more detail on it of course but I think one of the main additions was the hiring of their professional basketball coach. Anyone with any knowledge of basketball can see the influence this coach in particular has had. The possession game and the movement, lines of running etc are based on basketball.

As I said, we can get into more detail on other areas but being able to buy in a professional coach to help improve a certain area of difficulty is very handy to have. Not many counties can afford to hire coaches like that at will.

I think maybe looking at the huge resources put into Dublins senior teams will give us an indication of how they develop underage talent into senior talent. And just to preempt, this spend is without having to factor in much travel costs compared with other counties.

Croke Park have already started the process of taking over the administration of mileage and other player allowances from the various county boards. (Counties are going to less money from Croke Park as a result to balance this out)

This means that the figure in the various county's financial statements for intercounty teams costs next year won't include these amounts going directly to players.

Given Dublin GAA already spend the most on intercounty preparation and would be spending a lot less on mileage than a large number of counties, it will be interesting to see what sort of scrutiny the GAA and the media look for on this team preparation amount when it doesn't include any of the direct money going to players, especially when compared to a lot of other counties.

ooter

Whatever about the GAA scrutinising it, the DCB should definitely be scrutinising where the money is going for preparing the senior hurlers and start putting it to better use. Just goes to show that throwing money at a problem doesn't always solve it.

Enquiring

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Croke Park have already started the process of taking over the administration of mileage and other player allowances from the various county boards. (Counties are going to less money from Croke Park as a result to balance this out)

This means that the figure in the various county's financial statements for intercounty teams costs next year won't include these amounts going directly to players.

Given Dublin GAA already spend the most on intercounty preparation and would be spending a lot less on mileage than a large number of counties, it will be interesting to see what sort of scrutiny the GAA and the media look for on this team preparation amount when it doesn't include any of the direct money going to players, especially when compared to a lot of other counties.

Yes, it will be very interesting. Hopefully questions get asked. Also about other spending in Dublin GAA, for example the huge amount spent on wages and salaries.

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ooter wrote: »

Whatever about the GAA scrutinising it, the DCB should definitely be scrutinising where the money is going for preparing the senior hurlers and start putting it to better use. Just goes to show that throwing money at a problem doesn't always solve it.

This has already been covered. Yes, it's embarrassing for Dublin that they can't get more success on the hurling side of things but in and around 10 underage provincial titles, 2 club All Ireland's, a senior Leinster title and a national league title is a huge leap from where they were.

ooter

It's not embarrassing, it's failure. Underage doesn't equate to senior success, this has already been covered.

beggars_bush

ooter wrote: »

It's not embarrassing, it's failure. Underage doesn't equate to senior success, this has already been covered.

They go with the money and glamour of the footballers
Simple really

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ooter wrote: »

It's not embarrassing, it's failure. Underage doesn't equate to senior success, this has already been covered.

It is embarrassing. Millions of euros spent on underage development and then extra millions spent on team preparations. Things can't be made an better for them. They should be winning more.

Moving onto your other point in relation to turning underage players into senior players. Dublin obviously develop players with senior in mind, that's what their underage process is all about. They have full time professionals overseeing this.

Bryan Cullen is obviously over the strength and conditioning side of things. He has a number of people working under him. The hiring of Mark Ingle I pointed out earlier. A full time basketball coach has had a big influence on developing Dublins style in attack and defence. They have soccer coaches coming on board. Of course they have their huge backroom team looking after all areas of preparation from forwards coaches to lifestyle coaches to yoga teachers to nutritionists and so on. A very expensive team. They also have meals prepared for them by one of their many sponsors.

All these professionals and processes go into developing underage players and preparing senior teams. We've already identified the professional set up at underage level. The professional set up when it comes to senior team preparation is top level. Would be far closer to Leinster rugby than any GAA county.

ooter

Does the DCB hire a different backroom team for strength and conditioning, lifestyle coaching, yoga, nutrition and have meals prepared for the hurlers or do they use the same lads?
Seeing as it has been such a failure it would suggest they don't use the same lads, hard to believe really, you'd imagine they'd have the same team working with both codes.

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ooter wrote: »

Does the DCB hire a different backroom team for strength and conditioning, lifestyle coaching, yoga, nutrition and have meals prepared for the hurlers or do they use the same lads?
Seeing as it has been such a failure it would suggest they don't use the same lads, hard to believe really, you'd imagine they'd have the same team working with both codes.

We've already agreed that it's embarrassing/a failure. Time to move on.

ooter

No worries, just thought you might've known seeing as you know so much about the football setup.

Tombo2001

One curious thing about this team, that hasnt been mentioned - I can think of very few teams that have the same amount of players whose fathers have one all Irelands.

McCaffrey, the Brogans, James McCarthy, Dean Rock to name a few. Not sure if there are others. But that level of lineage or heritage must be a bit unique.

The_Kew_Tour

Tombo2001 wrote: »

One curious thing about this team, that hasnt been mentioned - I can think of very few teams that have the same amount of players whose fathers have one all Irelands.

McCaffrey, the Brogans, James McCarthy, Dean Rock to name a few. Not sure if there are others. But that level of lineage or heritage must be a bit unique.

Good point, usually you get one or two max, but ya not so many as they have.

beggars_bush

Westmeath minor hurlers beat Dublin today

Fann Linn

beggars_bush wrote: »

Westmeath minor hurlers beat Dublin today

More money required. Kaaaching.

Beffs

Tombo2001 wrote: »

One curious thing about this team, that hasnt been mentioned - I can think of very few teams that have the same amount of players whose fathers have one all Irelands.

McCaffrey, the Brogans, James McCarthy, Dean Rock to name a few. Not sure if there are others. But that level of lineage or heritage must be a bit unique.

Kev Mc's aul lad played for Dublin too.

ArielAtom

Beffs wrote: »

Kev Mc's aul lad played for Dublin too.

Superior Seed😉

tobefrank321

Tombo2001 wrote: »

One curious thing about this team, that hasnt been mentioned - I can think of very few teams that have the same amount of players whose fathers have one all Irelands.

McCaffrey, the Brogans, James McCarthy, Dean Rock to name a few. Not sure if there are others. But that level of lineage or heritage must be a bit unique.

There's a fair amount of lineage with the Kerry teams, sons or nephews - Morans, Spillanes, O'Se's, Kinnellys, etc.

Of course the Donnellans of Galway have a unique record, 3 generations have won an AI.

Enquiring

Big game this weekend for the momentum of this. It would be sad to see Mayo get a beating but a 10 point plus win for Dublin is what we need to see. This is what grabs the headlines. The 2 decade funding disparity is wrong no matter what but unfortunately, it's only results that gets people to pay attention.

Rolo2010

Enquiring wrote: »

Big game this weekend for the momentum of this. It would be sad to see Mayo get a beating but a 10 point plus win for Dublin is what we need to see. This is what grabs the headlines. The 2 decade funding disparity is wrong no matter what but unfortunately, it's only results that gets people to pay attention.

We don't need to see it. This is just getting ridiculous now.

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Rolo2010 wrote: »

We don't need to see it. This is just getting ridiculous now.

It's not ridiculous. The truth is, those who defend the funding farce are hoping for a close game, I'd go as far as to say, some wouldn't even mind a Mayo win. That's the position we're in.

We need to strike while the iron is hot. Finally splitting Dublin is being discussed across the media. The lies and myths that have been used for years are still being peddled by the pro Dublin funding side. These need to be shown to be untrue and the facts put forward. It's a very important time for those of us fighting for change.

PlayByTheRules

Hi Mods, could we get this thread renamed to 'The Dominance of Dublin GAA in Gaelic Football' ?

Rolo2010

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It's not ridiculous. The truth is, those who defend the funding farce are hoping for a close game, I'd go as far as to say, some wouldn't even mind a Mayo win. That's the position we're in.

We need to strike while the iron is hot. Finally splitting Dublin is being discussed across the media. The lies and myths that have been used for years are still being peddled by the pro Dublin funding side. These need to be shown to be untrue and the facts put forward. It's a very important time for those of us fighting for change.

Splitting Dublin is not happening anytime soon and you just need to accept that. The media is actually divided on the issue like on most things. A lot of people will be happy if Mayo win this weekend and it is only a small group of loudmouths who will be crying about splitting Dublin.

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PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Hi Mods, could we get this thread renamed to 'The Dominance of Dublin GAA in Gaelic Football' ?

Do you mean just the Dublin senior football team? Or all areas of gaelic football?

I just put together some stats for club football and hurling, womens football and underage hurling below.

This century:

Mens:

U20/21 hurling:
All Ireland's - 2
Leinsters - 4

Minor hurling:
Leinsters - 6

Club football:
All Ireland's - 4
Leinsters - 11

Club hurling:
All Ireland's - 2
Leinsters - 2

Womens:

All Ireland's - 4
Leinsters - at least 10

Club football:
All Ireland's - 2
Leinsters - 12

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Rolo2010 wrote: »

Splitting Dublin is not happening anytime soon and you just need to accept that. The media is actually divided on the issue like on most things. A lot of people will be happy if Mayo win this weekend and it is only a small group of loudmouths who will be crying about splitting Dublin.

It's closer than it was last year, every year Dublin win and by as big a margin as possible brings it closer.

The language you use, 'loudmouths', 'crying'. You couldn't make a reasonable argument to explain why you think it was right that Dublin received such huge funding compared to anyone else earlier in the thread and now just throwing out abuse. Can you even attempt to put an argument together instead of that?

ArielAtom

I suppose a certain blogger from Kildare has had his fun winding up the Limerick supporters. He's back on the Dublin story. Anyway hopefully Dublin destroy Mayo, that is what Micko said would define them as a great team. Hon the Dubs.

Rolo2010

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It's closer than it was last year, every year Dublin win and by as big a margin as possible brings it closer.

The language you use, 'loudmouths', 'crying'. You couldn't make a reasonable argument to explain why you think it was right that Dublin received such huge funding compared to anyone else earlier in the thread and now just throwing out abuse. Can you even attempt to put an argument together instead of that?

I think the funding they received was reasonable considering their population. And before you say it. No, I'm not from Dublin.

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Rolo2010 wrote: »

I think the funding they received was reasonable considering their population. And before you say it. No, I'm not from Dublin.

It's not about where you're from, it's about putting forward an argument that has been decimated numerous times over.

Dublin received about 25 million in games development funding alone this century, the next highest in Cork got under 2 million. Does Dublin have 12.5 times the population of Cork?

Can you have a read and look into the details of why people are calling for Dublin to be split instead of abusing them? Next, you'll be saying the money was for primary school kids?