Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

They're saying that the hullabaloo over Joe Biden's wife using "Doctor" before her name wouldn't have kicked off it she were a man.

I disagree. If Kamala Harris' husband was using the prefix despite not being a medical Doctor I think someone would probably have ridiculed him too to be honest.

Has she earned a doctorate?

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Pretty sure she has a doctorate.

Then, what's wrong with her using Dr? Theres nothing ridiculous about it.

the purple tin wrote: »

No it's a new show. Starts with N I think. It is being promoted like crazy atm.



There is an unspoken rule among academics: If you are not a medical doctor and you urge people to address you as Doctor Murphy or whatever, you are a bit of a tool.

I think anyone who urges or insists on a professional title, especially outside of their professional capacity of Dr or academic, is a bit of a tool. But that doesn't mean your mail, formal introductions or situations that require formal address shouldn't include your correct prefix. It's one thing inisting everyone address you as Dr, X and another thing entirely for someone to refer to you or address you as Dr X.

We are very informal here in Ireland, quickly using first names and most of us insist on it. The States is more formal. The First Lady would be expected to be addressed as Mrs X. In this case, she's not a Mts, she's Dr. That is her correct, formal title so if people want to observe good manners and convention they should address her with her correct title.

My German friend wss amazed st the informality of acsdrmics here. He said there was no way a student or junior staff could get away with anything other than the correct title whereas here we all mostly just used first names when addressing our department staff and lecturers, regardless of title or position.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The difference being Ireland doesn't have the amount of Professors in third level education that other countries have, nor the history/culture built up around them. Irish universities and colleges lean heavily on lecturers, rather than professors...

In Iteland, Professor is an awarded title, bestowed by a University,, usually but not always attached to the position of Department or Faculty Head. in the States, it's a job title given to anyone with a doctorate teaching at third level. The same in most European countries, as Itelsbd, I believe.

There is a difference between a Professor and a professor.

ETA, I dont know where you studied, but the vast majority of my lecturers had Doctorates a tiny minority were on the final stages of completion of a Doctoral thesis and these had all had work published. My tutors were all Doctoral candidates in the early stages of research.

Sardonicat wrote: »

In Iteland, Professor is an awarded title, bestowed by a University,, usually but not always attached to the position of Department or Faculty Head. in the States, it's a job title given to anyone with a doctorate teaching at third level. The same in most European countries, as Itelsbd, I believe.

There is a difference between a Professor and a professor.

Not so much anymore. Every lecturer now for example in UCD is a 'Professor' of some sort - assistant / associate / full etc.

Traditionally a Professor title in Ireland was linked to seniority and academic / research achievement. Now it’s a title that comes automatically with a lecturering role in some university’s like UCD.

If someone uses the title Assistant Prof, then that means there’re the most junior of academics and used to be known as a Junior Lecturer. Associate or Full Prof is an achievement related title. It’s the americanising of third level education in Ireland. An Adjunct Prof is a part time lecturer who is given the title based on their industry experience (I am one of these ).

It really cheapens the title.

Danzy wrote: »

Some. She is a Doctor, that's the reality of receiving a Doctorate.

I wish she was an unknown and her husband slinking off to retirement but that's the way it goes.

Oh God, that's insufferable.

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Not just among academics but among the general population.




I don't mean to sound personal Miss but you sound like just the type of person this kind of mockery was aimed at.

I was pointing out to the poster that in Ameruca, a professor is just the name for a lecturer and that lecturers here are no different to lecturers there, ie, they have or are perusing and almost finished a doctorate and not some lesser qualified being. I dont make the rules for who is qualified to teach at Univetdity.