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Kerosene spill

  • 29-04-2016 04:19PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48


    I had a small leak of kerosene around my tank, it has leaked on to stones around the tank should I remove the stones, and replace.

    What is best way to deal with a small leak myself.. should I use cat litter to absorb the oil any suggestions please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭jimf


    depends on what you call a small leak maybe rake back the stones to expose the ground underneath and you will have a better idea of how much saturation has taken place

    usually a small amount of kero spilled outdoors evaporates after a short while and the smell clears up rather quickly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭readytosnap


    I know this is an old thread but we have had a leak (drip) for god knows how long and the smell of kerosene in one bedroom of the house absolutely reeks and actually smells like it is getting stronger, the leak has seeped either under the house there or the wall has absorbed it up, no visible sign inside the house and there is no smell from the boiler (where the leak originated) anybody any idea how to get rid of the smell?, I don't think we can just wash around the area. The room is not used by any of us but would like to get rid of the stench if possible, Any ideas please.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wearb


    Indoor boiler?
    Must have been quite a leak. Small amounts usually dissipate after a while.
    Oftec.org have some products on their site. I haven't used them so can't vouch for them.

    If room isn't used, open windows and keep door closed. Maybe a dehumidifier might help, but that's only a guess.

    Maybe someone else will have a better suggestion, but I have never come across anything better than time, or (hopefully not) dig.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    Hi think you really should have that investigated I had to have the spill removed by an oil spiill company check out your house insurance that you are covered think it can be dangerous if gets under the foundations .. try cat litter to absorb the smell.... but I think you will have to get a professional in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭jimf


    Hi think you really should have that investigated I had to have the spill removed by an oil spiill company check out your house insurance that you are covered think it can be dangerous if gets under the foundations .. try cat litter to absorb the smell.... but I think you will have to get a professional in.



    did the insurance company involve the epa in your clean up


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    No epa not involved at all the spill company dealt with it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭jimf


    good for u then


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wearb


    jimf wrote: »
    good for u then

    I thought they were obliged under law to contact EPA ???
    It used to be like that when I was "in the know".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    As far as I know I don't think so maybe depends on the size of the spill mine was a small enough spill 300 litres .


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wearb


    As far as I know I don't think so maybe depends on the size of the spill mine was a small enough spill 300 litres .

    That would be considered a large spill.
    I cant remember the figures, but it was notification at something like 10 litres or maybe 10 gallons. In any case it wasn't a very large amount. There maybe some lads here still in the industry that would have the correct figures, though i expect that the amount now revolves around the risk to the environment ie soil, water, gullys, etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    Went to an accredited oil spill company and was done through house insurance but.as far as I know the epa was not involved


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Hi

    I'm gonna piggyback this thread as it is similar to what I experienced so no point starting a new one.

    Internal oil boiler to the rear of the house. house in a rural area on a 1/2 acre site.

    Small smell of oil in the house, seemed strongest in the bathroom which is the other side of the boiler room. Got boiler serviced and checked for leaks, engineer fixed it all and it was grand after that. He did however spot that the pipe from the tank which is about 5m from the outside of the boiler room, (with about an other 2 meters internal to the boiler) was looking worse for wear and should be replaced.

    He wanted a trench dug and footpath cut and then he'd come back to replace the pipe. So got that done and he was a bit delayed in coming back. in the meantime (just last week) there was a leak (sod's law) somewhere outside and maybe between 100 and 200 litres were lost. All fixed up now but don't know what to do next. Plumber said it would naturally go and not be a danger to the house.

    Where we could see the kerosene seeping up through the trench (which was about a foot away parallel from the path of the old pipe) was about 2 metres long and about a metre from the tank so about 2 metres from the house.

    Any ideas what to do next, also is there anything I could put down on the soil between the house and tank that would draw up the kerosene so that I could judge how close it actually got to the foundations as that's the last thing I want to happen.

    Just don't want to be out of the house for too long if there's a major clean up operation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    Hi not sure if I can be of much help seemingly you don't want the kerosene to get near the foundations maybe look for advice from an oil spill company dig near the foundations and see you can smell oil. My spill was away from the house but oil can spread and my only option was to get it dug out.. Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Hi not sure if I can be of much help seemingly you don't want the kerosene to get near the foundations maybe look for advice from an oil spill company dig near the foundations and see you can smell oil. My spill was away from the house but oil can spread and my only option was to get it dug out.. Good luck.

    Thanks, how long did the process take for you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    funnyname wrote: »
    Thanks, how long did the process take for you?

    I think about two weeks to three weeks. when they dig it out they send samples away for testing they have to tested so the soil can be disposed of the delay can be getting the lab results back they check the levels of kerosene in the soil and when they are within certain range they can start reinstatement but I was lucky the oil was not near my foundations I think if that was the case it might take longer. I would not delay to long on making a decision on what way to do .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    I think about two weeks to three weeks. when they dig it out they send samples away for testing they have to tested so the soil can be disposed of the delay can be getting the lab results back they check the levels of kerosene in the soil and when they are within certain range they can start reinstatement but I was lucky the oil was not near my foundations I think if that was the case it might take longer. I would not delay to long on making a decision on what way to do .

    Does it need to be reported to the EPA, is it mandatory?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 yellowbelly


    funnyname wrote: »
    Does it need to be reported to the EPA, is it mandatory?

    I didn't have my spill reported to the epa but I was not near any rivers and streams and the oil spill company dealt with the spill but if you contact an oil spill company I am sure they would be able to give you advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    So got the experts in, going through process at the mo, very slow. Very high water table so oil never got a a chance to disperse. Got oil remediation company down from Dundalk, just finished their 2nd more extensive tests. Hopefully have a report in the next couple of weeks.

    Most likely outcome I've been told is house will need to be gutted, some soil removed and some treated as they can't remove it all as that would undermine the structure of the house.
    I didn't have my spill reported to the epa but I was not near any rivers and streams and the oil spill company dealt with the spill but if you contact an oil spill company I am sure they would be able to give you advice.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wearb


    funnyname wrote: »
    So got the experts in, going through process at the mo, very slow. Very high water table so oil never got a a chance to disperse. Got oil remediation company down from Dundalk, just finished their 2nd more extensive tests. Hopefully have a report in the next couple of weeks.

    Most likely outcome I've been told is house will need to be gutted, some soil removed and some treated as they can't remove it all as that would undermine the structure of the house.

    Thanks for the update. It may help people to be more proactive in looking after their oil storage, supply and boiler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Thinking of moving boiler outside, any ideas for placement, added benefit would be everything external and can repurpose the "boilerhouse" room.

    Wearb wrote: »
    Thanks for the update. It may help people to be more proactive in looking after their oil storage, supply and boiler.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wearb


    funnyname wrote: »
    Thinking of moving boiler outside, any ideas for placement, added benefit would be everything external and can repurpose the "boilerhouse" room.

    Keep it near the existing pipe work. Shortest possible pipework run outside. Maybe build a small well insulated boiler house against an existing house wall.

    How old is existing boiler?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Sorry for delay but here's a schematic of the house layout, the oil tank is the pale blue dot at the top left and the boiler is the dark blue square. So I was thinking of getting an external boiler (one is available for free, it is in very good working condition) and putting it outside the house at the gable end of the house, so moving it about 5m at most. The existing boiler is about 15 to 20 years old.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭Tom44


    FREE is not the important issue, high efficiency condensing "A" rated is.

    You'll be the one paying the fuel bills for the next 20 years.
    Firebird is a good make.
    But I prefer Grant boilers.
    Both are Irish.
    Make sure boiler is the appropriate size for the house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    I'm looking into this myself but in the meantime does anyone know if the the insurance company max payout wrt the claim for the oil spill is the max amount of the buildings cover on the policy?

    I ask as the amount of work in the initial investigations is quite high and the cost of the initial clean up is higher again and if anything else crops up that hasn't been budgeted for then this total cost will end up being higher than sum insured on the policy. Just want to make sure we know of potential costs to ourselves before going into the next phase of work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭funnyname


    Update on the ongoing process - nearly 2 years after it began.

    Insurance company pushed for a 2nd opinion as they believed the costs were getting out of hand. I did a lot of research and ringing around and got a new company in to do additional tests.

    Everyone was eventually happy with their report and methodology for the remediation of the oil spill.

    It was a very long drawn process delayed by the original oil remediation company threatening to sue as they believed they had the contract to carry out the remediation and the insurance company dragging their heels.

    The bioremediation process began last month and will continue for another 5 months and then once it's been certified as cleaned up then the house can be renovated so that it's habitable again.

    It's been a right pain in the hoop and I wouldn't wish it on anybody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭jtown


    How did it end up.

    We after having a major oil leak and looking at various site looks like we in for a long road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    jtown wrote: »
    How did it end up.

    We after having a major oil leak and looking at various site looks like we in for a long road.

    Any update jtown?

    I've had a tank leak in the last week or so. I'm guessing maybe 100L max. Has run down the back of my property and into an area of rough land between myself and the neighbour.

    First port of call is what, call insurance or call remediation company?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wearb


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Any update jtown?

    I've had a tank leak in the last week or so. I'm guessing maybe 100L max. Has run down the back of my property and into an area of rough land between myself and the neighbour.

    First port of call is what, call insurance or call remediation company?

    Ideally call your local authority environmental section. They'll advise what to do. Also inform your insurers.

    What caused your leak?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Wearb wrote: »
    Ideally call your local authority environmental section. They'll advise what to do. Also inform your insurers.

    What caused your leak?

    Called the County Council, they're a bit confused. Awaiting a callback.

    Crack in the tank caused the leak. Guy who replaced it says the old one was a crappy brand, plus it was single skin.

    Replaced now with a bunded tank on a new concrete base.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Apologies for hijacking, but actually in process of buying a house at the mo that had an oil tank leak, Kerosene, didn't realise this was a big deal?! How much of a spill is something to worry about? No smell in the house, just in the immediate surrounds of the tank/the stoney area beside, which also has exposed electrical wiring.:eek: Clueless re: construction but now realising the earth/stoney area may need to be removed... or?


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