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The Vaccine

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  • #872
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    These vaccines had massive testing scale, a lot more than most other vaccines - uptake on trials was huge..

    To use the analogy of either O'Neill or McConkey in relation to the testing when they compared it to a painter coming to your house to paint 1 house in 10 days instead of 10 painters coming to your house and doing it in one day

    There is no substitute for time and when you rush something, quality suffers


  • #873
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Well after 8 years of hard studying, up all night, prepping for exams... Suddenly you have the big house, big car, three holidays a year, wife, kids, respectability in the community, bonus and stock options. Why would you do something to endanger that? All those things can be taken away so fast. See the Gardasil Developer.

    That's all hypothetical. Without any signs of evidence it means nothing.

    After dreaming of being a doctor for most of your life and working for 8 years to become one someone asks you to betray your morals so you tell them to **** off. See, I can do it too. This theory needs to be grounded in factual proofs, so far none have been shared.


  • #874
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    enno99 wrote: »
    American Medical Association Rescinds Previous Statement Against Prescription of Hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 Patients
    CHICAGO, IL – The American Medical Association (AMA), in a surprising move, has officially rescinded a previous statement against the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in the treatment of COVID-19 patients, giving physicians the okay to return to utilizing the medication at their discretion.

    Previously, the AMA had issued a statement in March that was highly critical of HCQ in regards to its use as a proposed treatment by some physicians in the early stages of COVID-19. In addition to discouraging doctors from ordering the medication in bulk for “off-label” use – HCQ is typically used to treat diseases such as malaria – they also claimed that there was no proof that it was effective in treating COVID, and that its use could be harmful in some instances.

    However, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.

    So, there we have it. HCQ could not be approved before the election, because President Trump had recommended it. Meanwhile, with an 8o +% reduced risk of having to be admitted to the hospital if administered with Azithromycin and Zinc as soon as testing positive or symptoms occurred, many (70000+) lives could have been saved.

    https://lenbilen.com/2020/12/14/american-medical-association-rescinds-previous-statement-against-prescription-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-covid-19-patients/

    Kinda f**ked up stalling with vaccines and this

    O'Neill was saying the same about HCQ back in Jan/Feb on the LL Show, then it all stopped and he turned his attention to the vaccine


  • #875
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    To use the analogy of either O'Neill or McConkey in relation to the testing when they compared it to a painter coming to your house to paint 1 house in 10 days instead of 10 painters coming to your house and doing it in one day

    There is no substitute for time and when you rush something, quality suffers

    Irrelevant analogy. This vaccine had plenty of scale, which is the opposite of what was claimed.

    So what's the conspiracy lex? We should test the safety of this vaccine more?


  • #876
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    O'Neill was saying the same about HCQ back in Jan/Feb on the LL Show, then it all stopped and he turned his attention to the vaccine

    Have you ever heard of the saying "prevention is better than cure"?


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  • #877
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You seem to think people with science qualifications are beyond reproach, cannot be intimidated or bribed.

    and when you have the entire medical cartel being financially funded by the big pharma with big universities being sponsored for doing clinical trials for them, its very easy to see why they dont come out and give their views


  • #878
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    So what's the conspiracy lex? We should test the safety of this vaccine more?

    it would be a start

    but long before they roll it out over the next 12 months to millions of people


  • #879
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    it would be a start

    but long before they roll it out over the next 12 months to millions of people

    Fine. What's the conspiracy so?


  • #880
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    That's all hypothetical. Without any signs of evidence it means nothing.

    After dreaming of being a doctor for most of your life and working for 8 years to become one someone asks you to betray your morals so you tell them to **** off. See, I can do it too. This theory needs to be grounded in factual proofs, so far none have been shared.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

    Plenty of people had opportunity to speak out about Mercks Vioxx when they were falsifying data. The people over at Distillers International fought against claims of Thalidomide.

    IF you only knew what goes on with doctors and filing complaints against medical companies and the red tape you would understand.


  • #881
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

    Plenty of people had opportunity to speak out about Mercks Vioxx when they were falsifying data. The people over at Distillers International fought against claims of Thalidomide. Lets not talk about the shenanigans down at Stryker, the FDA are nearly resident there.

    IF you only knew what goes on with doctors and filing complaints against medical companies and the red tape you would understand.

    And where do we see evidence of this happening with one of these covid vaccines? The ones developed in the most transparent manner any vaccine has ever been developed with every country and medical group in the world scrutinising them.


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  • #882
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Irrelevant analogy. This vaccine had plenty of scale, which is the opposite of what was claimed.

    So what's the conspiracy lex? We should test the safety of this vaccine more?

    Do you know how vaccines are trial or how many people take medical trials?
    The Alpha stage testing is done in Africa where it is paired with the "cocktail of HIV medications". How are you supposed to account for people in third world countries when you are talking about 3 failures in 30,000. The Beta testing is only done in first world countries at the end.


  • #883
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    aido79 wrote: »
    Have you ever heard of the saying "prevention is better than cure"?

    4 people in my house, many more in extended family of all ages
    All upped their dose of Vit D, A & Zinc this year and no issues

    Thats prevention in a healthier way

    But these measures dont make billions of dollars for the big pharmas


  • #884
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Do you know how vaccines are trial or how many people take medical trials?
    The Alpha stage testing is done in Africa where it is paired with the "cocktail of HIV medications". How are you supposed to account for people in third world countries when you are talking about 3 failures in 30,000. The Beta testing is only done in first world countries at the end.

    This doesn't apply to the vaccines we are discussing in this thread.

    There is a big difference between what has been said so far on this thread.

    Point 1) we don't know anything about the long term effects of these vaccines and I am hesitant to take them due to this.

    Point 2) Bill gates paid off every scientist in the world in order to spread an infertility virus.

    Not sure how you guys are going from 1, which is reasonable to 2, which is unreasonable.


  • #885
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    4 people in my house, many more in extended family of all ages
    All upped their dose of Vit D, A & Zinc this year and no issues

    Thats prevention in a healthier way

    But these measures dont make billions of dollars for the big pharmas

    4 people in my house, many more in extended family of all ages
    None upped their dose of Vit D, A & Zinc this year and no issues.

    What makes you think what you and your family have taken prevented you from getting covid19?

    Is your conspiracy theory about big pharmaceutical companies?


  • #886
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Point 2) Bill gates paid off every scientist in the world in order to spread an infertility virus.

    You dont have to pay off every scientist or threaten every scientist. You just have to make an example of one or two very publicly and it will all be grand. Take them out, sack them, kill their research and black list their students ought to do it.


  • #887
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont have to pay off every scientist or threaten every scientist. You just have to make an example of one or two very publicly and it will all be grand. Take them out, sack them, kill their research and black list their students ought to do it.

    Where are these very public examples? Why have no other people spoken out about this, are the 1000s of scientists reviewing this data all complicit?


  • #888
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    So there was no Hepatitis C scandal .

    No I didn't say that. I said I didn't believe your personal anecdotes.

    Notice how you like every other conspiracy theorist has dodged the direct questions posed to you.

    That's very dishonest and makes me even less inclined to believe you or take you and your claims seriously.


  • #889
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont have to pay off every scientist or threaten every scientist. You just have to make an example of one or two very publicly and it will all be grand. Take them out, sack them, kill their research and black list their students ought to do it.
    Again you're claiming this, yet you're not showing that it has happened or it is true.
    It's just some fantasy you are making up and assuming that it can work on a global scale for a conspiracy no one has actually been able to explain or detail.


  • #890
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    aido79 wrote: »
    4 people in my house, many more in extended family of all ages
    None upped their dose of Vit D, A & Zinc this year and no issues.

    Great
    aido79 wrote: »
    What makes you think what you and your family have taken prevented you from getting covid19?
    maybe we did, but we have had no issues

    You asked me about prevention


  • #891
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont have to pay off every scientist or threaten every scientist. You just have to make an example of one or two very publicly and it will all be grand. Take them out, sack them, kill their research and black list their students ought to do it.

    Like you said, man or women in their 30's, spent 8yrs in medical training and maybe many more after that to get to a point in their life where they have a family, great lifestyle, private schools, nice cars, big house, big mortgage and main bread winner

    I dont know too many who would throw that away too easily


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  • #892
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Resolved doesn't mean accepted. The AMA hasn't changed their stance on HCQ.

    And even if down the line they do, it doesn't automatically mean there's some conspiracy afoot. Medical advice on risky treatments has changed before, usually with more data.

    CT aside

    On Oct 30th they had no or few concern's about it and put it forward for resolution
    or they wouldn't be even discussing it right ?


  • #893
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    Great


    maybe we did, but we have had no issues

    You asked me about prevention

    And I told you that we have had no issues by not taking any of the supplements you mentioned.

    We all practiced social distancing and didn't attend mass gatherings. Do you have family members that may have done similar things or did they just take their supplements and carry on like they would have pre covid19?

    Anyway back to the conspiracy around the vaccine..what should we be worried about? Are big pharmaceutical going to start telling us what to do and when to do it? When will it all start?Is covid19 just a warm up? What's your preferred brand of tinfoil?


  • #894
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont have to pay off every scientist or threaten every scientist. You just have to make an example of one or two very publicly and it will all be grand. Take them out, sack them, kill their research and black list their students ought to do it.

    Which ones have been made an example of very publicly? Who has been sacked or taken out? What research has been killed? What students have been blacklisted?


  • #895
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont have to pay off every scientist or threaten every scientist. You just have to make an example of one or two very publicly and it will all be grand. Take them out, sack them, kill their research and black list their students ought to do it.

    pour encourager les autres


  • #896
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    aido79 wrote: »
    Which ones have been made an example of very publicly? Who has been sacked or taken out? What research has been killed? What students have been blacklisted?

    Dr Delores Cahill taken out of UCD. if she is gone out of the college then her research is gone too or taken over by someone else. I am sure there are other like dr Judy Mikovits.


  • #897
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Dr Delores Cahill taken out of UCD. if she is gone out of the college then her research is gone too or taken over by someone else. I am sure there are other like dr Judy Mikovits.

    she was taken out because she talked nonsense and embarrassed UCD. That is a very poor example to be relying on.


  • #898
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    pour encourager les autres

    Women have a saying "Men are like tiles, you only have to lay them once and you can walk on them for life".

    IF you were taken out of your profession at your age, do you think you could restart your career in another field and regain your pay cheque and esteem to its former heights?


  • #899
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Women have a saying "Men are like tiles, you only have to lay them once and you can walk on them for life".

    IF you were taken out of your profession at your age, do you think you could restart your career in another field and regain your pay cheque and esteem to its former heights?

    I'm not in the habit of talking out of my hoop publicly like your friend dolores


  • #900
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    she was taken out because she talked nonsense and embarrassed UCD. That is a very poor example to be relying on.

    DR Judy Mikovits? She was saying the same thing.


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  • #901
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I'm not in the habit of talking out of my hoop publicly like your friend dolores

    You are damn right you dont, because you have the nice car, house, etc etc etc. Why would you say anything controversial?


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