Covid 19 Vaccine take-up - A/R straw poll

rovers_runner · 15-12-2020 3:18pm #1

Interested on peoples position on whether they will decide on taking the vaccine when it's eventually offered to the general population?

Given the majority here are under 30 BMI, not immune compromised, under 50? I'd suspect it should be a near 50/50 split or even lower given it's not much of a benefit, I'd expect much lower than say a subset of people with more sedate lifestyles and higher bmi etc.

There are a number of immune compromised people in A/R as I've noticed reading through other threads in the past, so would expect them to take the vaccine when offered, or maybe not for more health concern reasons?.

event · 15-12-2020 3:42pm

I will 100% take it. I will be well down the line for it though, 18-64 and no health concerns. But when it comes to my turn, I'll be taking it no issues

rovers_runner · 15-12-2020 3:51pm

Personally I don't have an opinion one way or the other, may be encouraged to take it for work reasons which I'll agree to.
Definitely don't see any health risks with it.

Dudda · 15-12-2020 3:54pm

Are you accepting posting ballots? Where are all the fake votes coming from? It's rigged I tell you! RIGGED!

I'd take it but by the time I get it (healthy male in 30's working from home) it will be months if not a year and millions (possibly billions) will have gotten it before me so it will be well tested by then. That's if I even get offered it. Don't they only need something like 70% of the population to get it? I'd probably be in the last 5-10%.

Annie get your Run · 15-12-2020 3:56pm

I have a tendency to negatively react to any and all medications, so I expect this will be the same but I'll take it nonetheless whenever my turn is. My biggest fear is long covid which I understand is more common than we'd like.

Pherekydes · 15-12-2020 4:22pm

Due to my wife being immunocompromised and quite possibly allergic, I'll be taking it as soon as offered. I'm 60 and have high blood pressure, so I don't fancy getting covid myself.

ReeReeG · 15-12-2020 5:28pm

Annie get your Run wrote: »

I have a tendency to negatively react to any and all medications, so I expect this will be the same but I'll take it nonetheless whenever my turn is. My biggest fear is long covid which I understand is more common than we'd like.

This is exactly my fear too. And it certainly doesn't seem to care whether you're fit or unfit, old or young ,from what I've read on it. Terrifying.

jlang · 15-12-2020 6:55pm

Not jumping up and down to skip the queue because others are more exposed or at risk (or just suffering more from the fear) than me, but I'll take it in the end. I assume any efficacy or logistical complications will be well worked through the system and we'll be seeing the effect on the virus incidence by the time they get to the generally healthy can-work-from-home-but-only-if-I-have-to mid 40's.

I will be very unimpressed if they keep up the queuing and mask wearing and all the rest of it (once a reasonable amount of people have been jabbed, of course). More so if we start into a phase of "prove you've been vaccinated or you can't do X."

event · 15-12-2020 9:22pm

jlang wrote: »

I will be very unimpressed if they keep up the queuing and mask wearing and all the rest of it

I hope they do. Only because I have realised that the general public are disgusting and give you no personal space at all :pac:

rovers_runner · 15-12-2020 10:34pm

It's a catch 22 really, you want the restrictions loosened to open up sports events and gigs etc.

But then you think there are enough people out there who would attend these events even if riddled with the virus and that it would cause havoc.

Hopefully by summer a combination of the seasonal dip in virus and the at risk + 30% General population vaccinated.

SnappyDresser · 15-12-2020 11:23pm

Would take it 100%. We all got vaccines as kids for various very serious diseases and overall they have helped humanity live longer lives. Its a yes for me

Murph_D · 16-12-2020 12:37am

I can’t believe the question is even being asked. What a strange world we’ve arrived at.

rovers_runner · 16-12-2020 9:38am

Murph_D wrote: »

I can’t believe the question is even being asked. What a strange world we’ve arrived at.

Give it a few weeks and you'll see how much discussion there is in the media due to massive anti vaccination campaigns.

I don't agree with them as they will end up scaring a lot of people who need the vaccine out of getting it.

6run28 · 16-12-2020 10:01am

Late 30s myself, no underlying conditions but will certainly take it. I get the flu jab each year in work. The hand washing and sanitizers really needs to stay long term ! Just to reduce spread of minor illness

OOnegative · 16-12-2020 10:07am

Unless it’s a necessity for traveling/flying I won’t be getting it.

ariana` · 16-12-2020 10:15am

6run28 wrote: »

Late 30s myself, no underlying conditions but will certainly take it. I get the flu jab each year in work. The hand washing and sanitizers really needs to stay long term ! Just to reduce spread of minor illness

Couldn't agree more. As a mum of 3 kids in Primary School I haven't had a year like this in the last decade. A noticeable absence of nasty gastro bugs, snotty noses and any other typical viruses that spread through children in childcare / school environments. Three out of the four teachers are on maternity leave so there seems to be something going around the staff instead :pac::pac::pac:

I will take the vaccine no questions asked but it I'll be waiting a while I'd say.

crisco10 · 16-12-2020 10:20am

I'll definitely take it when it's available to me.

Like a lot here, I'm a long way down the list being a healthy, work from home, 36 year old. My GP wouldn't even give me the flu jab this year because they wanted to prioritize others. The only thing that might bring me up the list is requirement for travel with work.

I think it's good we have these conversations (i.e. highlighting the pro-vaxxers) since there are so many illogical anti-vaxxers out there. (As I type this, "anti-vaxxers" is in the autocorrect dictionary, but not "pro-vaxxers") Vaccinations are one of the greatest achievements by mankind I believe.

shotgunmcos · 16-12-2020 10:24am

ariana` wrote: »

Three out of the four teachers are on maternity leave so there seems to be something going around the staff instead :pac::pac::pac:

Clearly not PPE

Supercell · 16-12-2020 10:45am

If you dont/won't take it, dont count on being able to enter too many races - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-with-vaccine-certificates-to-face-fewer-restrictions-on-life-39869247.html

Vaccine certificates may be needed to attend social gatherings or sporting events once the majority of the population are vaccinated.

ariana` · 16-12-2020 10:54am

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Clearly not PPE

Clearly not... Lucky the 4th teacher is male or the school staff would be decimated altogether :pac:

6run28 · 16-12-2020 11:07am

Yeah I'd imagine any big races will require a vaccine cert - city marathons etc..

rovers_runner · 16-12-2020 11:09am

Supercell wrote: »

If you dont/won't take it, dont count on being able to enter too many races - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-with-vaccine-certificates-to-face-fewer-restrictions-on-life-39869247.html

While I have no problem with it, it's a bit police state.
In that case they will have to provide a proper hse issued card similar to a driving licence to avoid fraudulent claims to have taken the vaccine?

Supercell · 16-12-2020 11:12am

rovers_runner wrote: »

While I have no problem with it, it's a bit police state.
In that case they will have to provide a proper hse issued card similar to a driving licence to avoid fraudulent claims to have taken the vaccine?

It is a bit police state alright, one would hope that they can do it digitally via app (they already do this in China), though I'd imagine with GDPR this is going to be a major headache whatever the solution is. If the likes of airlines etc are going to be asking for it presumably it will have to be some kind of EU/global standard format.

6run28 · 16-12-2020 11:15am

rovers_runner wrote: »

While I have no problem with it, it's a bit police state.
In that case they will have to provide a proper hse issued card similar to a driving licence to avoid fraudulent claims to have taken the vaccine?

Surely it would be done electronically. Just provide your vaccine number on the application form. Similar to a tax clearance cert

BeginnerRunner · 16-12-2020 11:20am

ariana` wrote: »

Clearly not... Lucky the 4th teacher is male or the school staff would be decimated altogether :pac:

He could be the super spreader...

rovers_runner · 16-12-2020 11:21am

BeginnerRunner wrote: »

He could be the super spreader...

The super sh*gger more like :pac:

Dubh Geannain · 16-12-2020 12:04pm

Murph_D wrote: »

I can’t believe the question is even being asked. What a strange world we’ve arrived at.

One of my kids has allergies and so may not be able to take the Pfizer vaccine. The rest of us will likely get it when it's available.

Unthought Known · 16-12-2020 2:01pm

event wrote: »

I hope they do. Only because I have realised that the general public are disgusting and give you no personal space at all :pac:

I could (probably will) be very wrong, but I don't remember seeing a significant direct impact on infection rates when masks were made mandatory. All I see is rates rising regardless of whether we didn't wear masks in the first weeks or wear them now.
Now I know we can all say "it would have been so much worse if we didn't have masks", but how do we really know when multiple measures are constantly introduced and changed without analysing exactly what impact each measure has had?

Oh, yes I'll take it when it's offered.

EC1000 · 16-12-2020 2:14pm

Yes, I will take it when my turn eventually arrives. For me its not about the liklihood of me getting it or what damage it would do to me (as a healty relatively fit individual) - its more to ensure that those close to me who are more vulnerable than I am can be protected.

event · 16-12-2020 3:58pm

rovers_runner wrote: »

Give it a few weeks and you'll see how much discussion there is in the media due to massive anti vaccination campaigns.

I don't agree with them as they will end up scaring a lot of people who need the vaccine out of getting it.

I dont think there will be really. There'll be stuff on social media but wouldnt be surprised to see mainstream media ignore it

Unthought Known wrote: »

I could (probably will) be very wrong, but I don't remember seeing a significant direct impact on infection rates when masks were made mandatory. All I see is rates rising regardless of whether we didn't wear masks in the first weeks or wear them now.
Now I know we can all say "it would have been so much worse if we didn't have masks", but how do we really know when multiple measures are constantly introduced and changed without analysing exactly what impact each measure has had?

Oh, yes I'll take it when it's offered.

Yeah not saying it reduces infection or anything.

But the amount of times in the before time that you'd be in a queue somewhere and some dirtbag behind ye coughing and spluttering all over ye. Could really do without that in general

robinph · 16-12-2020 4:24pm

I'll be fairly early on the list of people to get offered it and will be there as soon as they ask me. Not due to any massive fear of complications from Covid in the event of me catching it, as the chances of me catching it are just as limited now as they were in March with working from home and the only real outside close contact in the household is from a 5 year old being in school all day with other kids.

Just makes sense. Any risk from the vaccine itself is nothing more than anything else they give me each year with the regular flu jabs, and I'm still far more likely to end up doing myself a mischief through the daily administration of deadly substances I give to myself to stay alive.

If me (being a person potentially at risk from either the vaccine or covid) has to take it in order that the rest of you fit and healthy sceptics will then take in in 6 months time, and you are finally convinced that everything is fine when it's available to you then so be it.

seanin4711 · 17-12-2020 5:55pm

I wont take it for two main reasons

1.No peer reviewed data on clinical trials
2.Government giving indemnity to vaccine companies for potential lawsuits in future.

Work in medical devices and to get clinical trials turned around and FDA approved in under 6 months- there is something amiss here.
normally 4 years data minimum required.

disclaimer
I take the flu vaccine every year.

seanin4711 · 17-12-2020 5:58pm

Supercell wrote: »

If you dont/won't take it, dont count on being able to enter too many races - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-with-vaccine-certificates-to-face-fewer-restrictions-on-life-39869247.html

so its mandatory?
is that not unconstitutional?
my body my choice,good enough for the pro-choice agenda!

Supercell · 17-12-2020 6:00pm

seanin4711 wrote: »

so its mandatory?
is that not unconstitutional?
my body my choice,good enough for the pro-choice agenda!

Not mandatory, but it might be if you want to enter some races in the future, who knows?, thats what the Indo is reporting anyhow. The airlines are making noises about Covid passports too, time will tell how our overlords deem it.

Murph_D · 17-12-2020 6:37pm

seanin4711 wrote: »

I wont take it for two main reasons

1.No peer reviewed data on clinical trials
2.Government giving indemnity to vaccine companies for potential lawsuits in future.

Work in medical devices and to get clinical trials turned around and FDA approved in under 6 months- there is something amiss here.
normally 4 years data minimum required.

disclaimer
I take the flu vaccine every year.

I believe the astra zeneca data has been peer reviewed. Or at least some of it. But I agree it’s an issue - publishing efficacy via PR press releases is not what we need. Then again, these are extraordinary times.

Murph_D · 17-12-2020 6:43pm

seanin4711 wrote: »

so its mandatory?
is that not unconstitutional?
my body my choice,good enough for the pro-choice agenda!

Nothing in the constitution about this kind of thing, as far as I know.

Mandatory vaccination for travel reasons / visa granting issues etc is not unusual at all, so why not other areas where you pose a risk by not taking all available precautions.

‘My body my choice’ may well be the anti-vacc agenda, but no one has a right to endanger people who make different choices.

Annie get your Run · 17-12-2020 7:03pm

rovers_runner wrote: »

While I have no problem with it, it's a bit police state.
In that case they will have to provide a proper hse issued card similar to a driving licence to avoid fraudulent claims to have taken the vaccine?

Races on the continent require a cert signed by a doctor before you can take part, France and Italy spring to mind (marathons at least). This is no different in my view and I would certainly be happier attending any event knowing that everyone there has been vaccinated.

Ceepo · 17-12-2020 11:55pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Nothing in the constitution about this kind of thing, as far as I know.

Mandatory vaccination for travel reasons / visa granting issues etc is not unusual at all, so why not other areas where you pose a risk by not taking all available precautions.

‘My body my choice’ may well be the anti-vacc agenda, but no one has a right to endanger people who make different choices.

As of now it is not known if the Pfizer vaccine will in fact prevent transmission

Murph_D · 18-12-2020 12:14am

Ceepo wrote: »

As of now it is not known if the Pfizer vaccine will in fact prevent transmission

Agreed. Not sure why you’re quoting me here - nothing to do with what I posted.

ligerdub · 18-12-2020 12:20am

I won't be taking it (at least at this point in time I would be cautious about jumping to the front of the queue). There are vulnerable people out there and if they consider it worthwhile to do then by all means fire away. I suppose the standard slur here for this is being an anti-vaxxer, which I am not.

If it's a case of not getting into sporting events, flights and running events so be it.

Murph_D · 18-12-2020 12:33am

ligerdub wrote: »

I won't be taking it (at least at this point in time I would be cautious about jumping to the front of the queue). There are vulnerable people out there and if they consider it worthwhile to do then by all means fire away. I suppose the standard slur here for this is being an anti-vaxxer, which I am not.

If it's a case of not getting into sporting events, flights and running events so be it.

No one would ever accuse someone waiting their turn in the queue of being an ‘anti-vaxxer’.

Approved User Assesment · 18-12-2020 12:46am

Supercell wrote: »

Not mandatory, but it might be if you want to enter some races in the future, who knows?, thats what the Indo is reporting anyhow. The airlines are making noises about Covid passports too, time will tell how our overlords deem it.

The travel industry has already several beta products for their own new global digital identity system, the most likely one will the CommonPass Framework.

This will require a face and fingerprint scans, coupled with QR code Health Passport Apps taken with a smartphone to verify your identity with the multi-stage biological verifications.

For folks who won't/don't use a smartphone, there is an alternative method of 'always-on' nano technology on the horizon which negates (all) the previous fuss and procedures.

robinph · 18-12-2020 9:12am

seanin4711 wrote: »

normally 4 years data minimum required.

Is that data that has taken 4 years to compile but covers three separate 6 month long trials, or data covering 4 year long trials?

The first ist case they have done, just ran the different stage trials at the same time. Nothing different from normal except they eliminated the waiting around for more funding between each stage of trials and just got on with it.

crisco10 · 18-12-2020 9:18am

robinph wrote: »

Is that data that has taken 4 years to compile but covers three separate 6 month long trials, or data covering 4 year long trials?

The first ist case they have done, just ran the different stage trials at the same time. Nothing different from normal except they eliminated the waiting around for more funding between each stage of trials and just got on with it.

Was chatting to my cousin who works developing vaccines and her take on it was it was entirely plausible that we could create one so quickly. As you allude to, a huge amount of time (months on end in some cases) for "standard" vaccines is spent in the queue to be reviewed by one committee or another (ethics, funding etc). Any COVID vaccine is basically skipping the queue on these and gets reviewed almost immediately, which is nothing but an administrative change, but can shave months/years off the timeline.

Ceepo · 18-12-2020 9:53am

Murph_D wrote: »

Agreed. Not sure why you’re quoting me here - nothing to do with what I posted.

"but no one has a right to endanger people who make different choices."

I thought you were implying that by not taking the vaccine that you were endangering others.
And i was just saying that even talking the vaccine doesn't mean you can't transmit Covid-19

Apologies if I picked this up wrong.

event · 18-12-2020 10:16am

seanin4711 wrote: »

so its mandatory?
is that not unconstitutional?
my body my choice,good enough for the pro-choice agenda!

Unconstitutional? How do you figure that?

When you sign up to a race, you sign up to terms and conditions. This will be one of them for a lot of races.

bryangiggsy · 18-12-2020 11:08am

Would take it in a heartbeat.

bryangiggsy · 18-12-2020 11:10am

https://news.sky.com/story/long-covid-sufferers-to-be-offered-help-at-more-than-60-clinics-in-england-12165947

average_runner · 18-12-2020 11:17am

Yeah will take it. I am nervous about it but i also see the positive's about it

average_runner · 18-12-2020 11:19am

Ceepo wrote: »

"but no one has a right to endanger people who make different choices."

I thought you were implying that by not taking the vaccine that you were endangering others.
And i was just saying that even talking the vaccine doesn't mean you can't transmit Covid-19

Apologies if I picked this up wrong.

You can still transmit it once you have the vaccine. But that will only affect the anti group and for them covid doesn't exist

opus · 18-12-2020 12:31pm

Will be taking it the second I get the call to say it's available for my demographic. My 87-year old aunt should be among the first few rounds & she can't wait so she can get back to some sort of normal life. Given she's a former nurse guess she remembers the way things were before vaccines for some of the common childhood diseases.

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