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Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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  • #3392
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's some strong testimony alright. Maybe eagle eye's brother is right after all.
    Testimony is not the issue, lack of proper clinical trials is. There's been a lot of claiming things coming out of the US without trials. It's understandable given how badly they've handled it.


  • #3393
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Do we think Dr Holohan is behind these other lockdowns in Europe? It seems strange considering people in this thread think he is the root of evil that is causing all this hysteria in Ireland that isn't happening elsewhere?
    Not a fan of him but there are those that seem to blame him for everything. Then there are those if someone agrees with the restrictions because of the obvious spike in numbers, oh they are brainwashed and think he is the bees knees.
    It's odd the way some people lash out and try to blame everyone else for whats going on.


  • #3394
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Do we think Dr Holohan is behind these other lockdowns in Europe? It seems strange considering people in this thread think he is the root of evil that is causing all this hysteria in Ireland that isn't happening elsewhere?

    Himself and George Lee are to blame for everything. And their army of ‘curtain twitchers’.


  • #3395
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Miserable Christmas in store for a lot of people


  • #3396
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The border counties struggling (based on per capita figures). No surprise there with the ****show up north.

    The UK's response has been all over the place since March, it really isn't a surprise to me to see them struggling. Looking like they will row back on their 5 days of relaxation of the restrictions over Christmas now too.

    It does put things into a little bit of perspective, imo anyways. Not perfect here by any means, but much better than our neighbours.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling, State Benefits



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  • #3397
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Northern Ireland really not pretty. System clogging up. Similar to what was happening in Italy. Of course we had people claiming that it was normal.
    Ambulances are queuing outside all NI hospital emergency departments as they struggle to cope with covid pressures, the ambulance service has said.
    Doctors treated patients in ambulances outside Antrim Area Hospital due to the hospital operating beyond capacity.
    At 17:00 GMT on Tuesday, 17 ambulances were queued outside.

    Northern Health Trust operations director Wendy Magowan said it was the first time she had witnessed such a situation at Antrim Hospital.

    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1338904223216521221?s=20


  • #3398
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Knine


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Those same people are probably the ones that kept highlighting that Italian doctor than gained widespread coverage for claiming the virus had weakened back in the summer ("from an aggressive tiger to a wild cat").

    Wonder what his story is now.

    I have noticed the Facebook Virus experts have also gone quiet now, several former friends were also posting this ****e. Meanwhile I have a sick child with special needs who needed a Covid test this morning. I'm just hoping I can keep her out of Hospital for Christmas.

    I have found that the worst offenders don't have very close vulnerable family members.


  • #3399
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    That would be a very very difficult sell politically unless numbers deteriorate rapidly

    It's only 10 days to Christmas and the government will give restaurants etc as much opportunity to make some money as possible before a potential level 5 in January/February

    Absolutely, the government wouldn't be thanked for it. Just have a feeling nphet will push for tightening of some restrictions before the 6th of January.
    I still think we're doing exceptional well and hopefully numbers will remain some what stable but given previous performances and the current language from the cmo it seems to be following a similar pattern to March amd October.


  • #3400
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Northern Ireland really not pretty. System clogging up. Similar to what was happening in Italy. Of course we had people claiming that it was normal.



    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1338904223216521221?s=20

    That's pretty desperate


  • #3401
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Miserable Christmas in store for a lot of people

    Care to elaborate?


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  • #3402
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,116 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Not a fan of him but there are those that seem to blame him for everything. Then there are those if someone agrees with the restrictions because of the obvious spike in numbers, oh they are brainwashed and think he is the bees knees.
    It's odd the way some people lash out and try to blame everyone else for whats going on.

    Easier to personify / scapegoat the impact of a complex crisis. It is Holohan's fault rather than a world out of control that you at any moment can be hit with collateral damage.

    That or each country has their own version.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3403
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Do we think Dr Holohan is behind these other lockdowns in Europe? It seems strange considering people in this thread think he is the root of evil that is causing all this hysteria in Ireland that isn't happening elsewhere?

    It's the ego of the man people don't like, constantly talking down to people. Appearing on talk shows to boost his profile, is this happening in other countries.


  • #3404
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Easier to personify / scapegoat the impact of a complex crisis. It is Holohan's fault rather than a world out of control that you at any moment can be hit with collateral damage.

    That or each country has their own version.
    It's less to do with what they are doing, although the initial Level 5 call did show NPHET as seeing themselves as bigger than government and the political tensions generated since then reflect that. Where they do fall down quite badly is in communication and the CMO's carefully crafted but very rigid language varying from stark warnings to hopeful doesn't help. The commentary on the vaccine yesterday was a very good example of a medical person completely missing the negative effect of what they had to say.

    Ultimately NPHET will not get us out of this, that will be government purchases, the HSE and vaccines and at some point next year Donnelly will dissolve it and they'll all go back to their day jobs.


  • #3405
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,819 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It's the ego of the man people don't like, constantly talking down to people. Appearing on talk shows to boost his profile, is this happening in other countries.

    Well considering how some people still dont understand the basics he has to talk down and simplify things for them even more than he currently does.


  • #3406
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,339 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    seamus wrote: »
    After. There's a slight possibility IMHO that restaurants will be told not to reopen indoor dining after Xmas Day. Or maybe New year's day.

    I think government have committed until 3rd anyway at least, think travel is up to 6th unless things change drastically but these days it's hard to predict even a few weeks ahead.

    After that it's anyone's guess! Would think restaurants, pubs, barbers etc trying to get lot of business in now because of the uncertainty after that. Staff probably don't know will they have hours from then on.

    Think there will be aim to reduce cases while rolling out first vaccines.


  • #3407
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well considering how some people still dont understand the basics he has to talk down and simplify things for them even more than he currently does.

    And is it working on these people.


  • #3408
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well considering how some people still dont understand the basics he has to talk down and simplify things for them even more than he currently does.

    The amount of people still walking around with masks under their nose is one of the more obvious bits of evidence about why people need simple guidance.


  • #3409
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It's the ego of the man people don't like, constantly talking down to people. Appearing on talk shows to boost his profile, is this happening in other countries.

    His "ego" is just your distorted perception.


  • #3410
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The amount of people still walking around with masks under their nose is one of the more obvious bits of evidence about why people need simple guidance.
    The number of people wandering around staring at other people's masks is staggering! Just stay away from them.


  • #3411
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The amount of people still walking around with masks under their nose is one of the more obvious bits of evidence about why people need simple guidance.

    Is it really a problem unless your within 2 metres of someone, I wear a mask all day and only really fix it when I have to talk to someone. 2 metres should be the goal and not thinking a mask will make you invincible.


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  • #3412
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Stheno wrote: »
    That's pretty desperate

    I read there was an outbreak there last week. I'm sure the numbers of staff off isolating don't help. Fairly shocking all the same and just up the road.

    https://twitter.com/Kscott_94/status/1338913869847293954?s=20


  • #3413
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    His "ego" is just your distorted perception.

    That's your opinion, he certainly has a lot of people who are not too fussed on him.


  • #3414
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The amount of people still walking around with masks under their nose is one of the more obvious bits of evidence about why people need simple guidance.

    People don’t need any more guidance. Those of whom you speak know exactly what they are doing wrong. But they don’t care. There isn’t a human in Ireland who doesn’t know what they are supposed to be doing

    And I assume that you are talking about inside? I rarely wear one outside myself (and don’t frequent the kind of crowded streets in which you are ‘advised’ to). I just stick mine on my arm


  • #3415
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I read there was an outbreak there last week. I'm sure the numbers of staff off isolating don't help. Fairly shocking all the same and just up the road.

    https://twitter.com/Kscott_94/status/1338913869847293954?s=20

    This is happening with 75% of capacity being treated for non covid reasons and with no flu season this year, it shows how close they are to capacity every year.


  • #3416
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Is it really a problem unless your within 2 metres of someone, I wear a mask all day and only really fix it when I have to talk to someone. 2 metres should be the goal and not thinking a mask will make you invincible.

    If you are indoors, yes it is a problem.


  • #3417
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The number of people wandering around staring at other people's masks is staggering! Just stay away from them.

    It's hard not to notice, no staring required.


  • #3418
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's hard not to notice, no staring required.
    I find it pretty easy to ignore but each to their own.


  • #3419
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It's the ego of the man people don't like, constantly talking down to people. Appearing on talk shows to boost his profile, is this happening in other countries.

    Personally, I don't see it in him and I feel often people think they know better than the medical professionals because they have listened to a couple of podcasts or watched a youtube video from some immunologist and now are in a position to argue with professionals that have years of training and experience.

    Even if it is the case and if I go in for heart surgery. I want the best Surgeon possible and I don't care if his ego is the size of the house. This situation is no different.

    It is a strawman argument that has no relevance to the job he is doing in this crisis.


  • #3420
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Personally, I don't see it in him and I feel often people think they know better than the medical professionals because they have listened to a couple of podcasts or watched a youtube video from some immunologist and now are in a position to argue with professionals that have years of training and experience.

    Even if it is the case and if I go in for heart surgery. I want the best Surgeon possible and I don't care if his ego is the size of the house. This situation is no different.

    It is a strawman argument that has no relevance to the job he is doing in this crisis.

    It's the communication style imo, it just doesn't set the right tone at all.

    It's one of exasperation and condesencion


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  • #3421
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Stheno wrote: »
    It's the communication style imo, it just doesn't set the right tone at all.

    It's one of exasperation...
    Can you fecking blame him?


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