What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

the beer revolu · 15-12-2020 05:13PM

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

Thats actually mentioned in the article by Louise where she gives a scenario of blended whiskey, its not clear from it if its an EU rule or an Irish one.

EU rule for Irish whisky.
But only applies to age statements in this case.
There is nothing in law stopping anyone from stating their source or the mash bill.

BonnieSituation · 15-12-2020 05:19PM

Quackster wrote: »

Agree 110%. At the risk of further raising temperatures on this thread, I must say I'm a big fan of the rebrand!

By way of comparison, Powers 70cl is €16 duty-free at Dublin Airport.

I love the rebrand, however it looks poxy the lower the liquid gets in the bottle.

odyssey06 · 15-12-2020 05:23PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I think I might know where this idea comes from.

Originally they wanted to put a breakdown of a blend on the label. Eg. 50% 3 year old grain , 40% 8 year old malt and 10% 10 year old rye.
(made up figures as an example)
This wasn't allowed as you can't mention 10 year old whiskey on the label unless the youngest component is 10 years old.

They list this info on their website, all except source of liquid e.g.

https://www.jjcorry.com/the-gael-blended-irish-whiskey
5% - 26 Year Old Single Malt Ex-Sherry Butt
27.5% - 11 Year Old Single Malt
27.5% - 15 Year Old Single Malt
40% - 7 Year Old Single Grain

I think Bruichladdich have a QR Code you can scan for similar, or even lower level data.

Nijmegen · 15-12-2020 05:25PM

If Irish whiskey goes the way of bourbon in recent years the discussion of what goes into what will become hyper sensitive as everyone tries to get a bottle of the ‘famed, rare, now $100 a bottle black bush’ from something similar with a different label.

Meanwhile I’m sipping a good ole reliable bottle of Wild Turkey Rarebreed... also got some Lustau edition Redbreast on the go. Like cheese and chalk but lovely in their own ways.

cloudatlas · 15-12-2020 05:37PM

degzs wrote: »

What whiskey makes a good hot whiskey?

Has anyone tired any of the Jameson caskmates in a hot one ?

A lot of bar staff seem to use Paddy's for hot toddy's.

Cazale · 15-12-2020 05:40PM

odyssey06 wrote:

5% - 26 Year Old Single Malt Ex-Sherry Butt 27.5% - 11 Year Old Single Malt 27.5% - 15 Year Old Single Malt 40% - 7 Year Old Single Grain I think Bruichladdich have a QR Code you can scan for similar, or even lower level data.

Had a quick read through their website. Some interesting information on it. Gonna start a little blog in the new year to review whiskey and to keep a record of what I've tried as I can't remember half of what I tasted this year. I have 7 or 8 samples of theirs so they'll be some of the first I'll try.

cloudatlas · 15-12-2020 05:44PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

If Irish whiskey goes the way of bourbon in recent years the discussion of what goes into what will become hyper sensitive as everyone tries to get a bottle of the ‘famed, rare, now $100 a bottle black bush’ from something similar with a different label.

Meanwhile I’m sipping a good ole reliable bottle of Wild Turkey Rarebreed... also got some Lustau edition Redbreast on the go. Like cheese and chalk but lovely in their own ways.

I went to a bourbon bar one night and my favourite was Rarebreed after I stumbled out of the place.

gozunda · 15-12-2020 06:35PM

degzs wrote: »

What whiskey makes a good hot whiskey?

Has anyone tired any of the Jameson caskmates in a hot one ?

Something like Paddy is a go to for Hot Whiskey. Sugar, lemon with clovers & hot water to taste and you're on to a winner

Cazale · 15-12-2020 08:13PM

Two more releases. Roe & Co IPA and Stout finishes. €85 each or €95 with four cans of the beers used. Press release below:

December 2020: Behind the doors of The Roe & Co Distillery, in the heart of Dublin’s whiskey district, something magical has been happening over the last several months. A marriage of sorts between Cask and Keg. Given this was once the Guinness Power Station, it was a matter of time before real-life neighbours Guinness Open Gate Brewery and Roe & Co came together to create something truly special. This December, they’re ready to share their latest innovative releases with the island of Ireland.

Partnering with the Guinness Open Gate Brewery – a true hub of innovation – Roe & Co aimed to showcase the best of the Dublin 8 neighbourhood by creating two unique expressions of whiskey and two experimental beers.

Testing and experimenting to see what would happen next in the world of flavour surrounding beer and whiskey, Roe & Co’s Master Blender, Caroline Martin, collaborated with the Head Brewer at Guinness Open Gate Brewery, Peter Simpson, to create something truly unique, based on the reaction between these products.

The process which took place, startedwith the two beers, which Caroline chose, Citra IPA and Antwerpen Stout, which were aged in Roe & Co Irish whiskey casks to create two unique and brilliant whiskey finished beers.

Roe & Co blended Irish whiskey was then filled back into these same casks within 24 hours of the beer being disgorged, to rest and react with the wood to deliver two very magical beer cask finished whiskeys. One influenced by Guinness Citra IPA and one influenced by Guinness Antwerpen Stout.

Producing Roe & Co Cask & Keg collaboration, with two unique variants of Irish Whiskey from Roe & Co – a Citra IPA cask finished Roe & Co. blended Irish whiskey (€85) and an Antwerpen Stout cask finished Roe & Co blended Irish whiskey (€85).

Cask & Keg whiskey Tasting Notes:

Citra IPA cask finished Roe & Co. blended Irish whiskey.

Through finishing our signature blend in Guinness Citra IPA casks, this whiskey now reveals notes of citrus sherbet, apricot jam, grapefruit peel and white peach.

Antwerpen Stout cask finished Roe & Co blended Irish whiskey.

Through finishing our signature blend in Guinness Antwerpen stout casks, this whiskey now reveals notes of honeycomb, burnt molasses, coffee, cocoa and chocolate-covered liquorice.

Roe & Co Cask & Keg, Distillery exclusive whiskeys can be bought individually at €85 or as a giftset retailing at €95 for one bottle of the chosen whiskeys and four beers (Two of each finish). Available from 16th December, purchased through www.shop.roeandcowhiskey.com

EagererBeaver · 15-12-2020 08:24PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

A lot of bar staff seem to use Paddy's for hot toddy's.

Because it's the cheapest one they'll have on the shelf, not for any mixology reasons.

dobman88 · 15-12-2020 08:36PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Because it's the cheapest one they'll have on the shelf, not for any mixology reasons.

Yep. Any bar I ever worked in we used Paddy for hot ones, unless specifically asked for a certain whiskey. Just because it was a good way to get rid, no other reason. I actually think its shìte as a hot one.

lawrencesummers · 15-12-2020 08:46PM

Cazale wrote: »

Two more releases. Roe & Co IPA and Stout finishes. €85 each or €95 with four cans of the beers used. Press release below:

December 2020: Behind the doors of The Roe & Co Distillery, in the heart of Dublin’s whiskey district, something magical has been happening over the last several months. A marriage of sorts between Cask and Keg. Given this was once the Guinness Power Station, it was a matter of time before real-life neighbours Guinness Open Gate Brewery and Roe & Co came together to create something truly special. This December, they’re ready to share their latest innovative releases with the island of Ireland.

Partnering with the Guinness Open Gate Brewery – a true hub of innovation – Roe & Co aimed to showcase the best of the Dublin 8 neighbourhood by creating two unique expressions of whiskey and two experimental beers.

Testing and experimenting to see what would happen next in the world of flavour surrounding beer and whiskey, Roe & Co’s Master Blender, Caroline Martin, collaborated with the Head Brewer at Guinness Open Gate Brewery, Peter Simpson, to create something truly unique, based on the reaction between these products.

The process which took place, startedwith the two beers, which Caroline chose, Citra IPA and Antwerpen Stout, which were aged in Roe & Co Irish whiskey casks to create two unique and brilliant whiskey finished beers.

Roe & Co blended Irish whiskey was then filled back into these same casks within 24 hours of the beer being disgorged, to rest and react with the wood to deliver two very magical beer cask finished whiskeys. One influenced by Guinness Citra IPA and one influenced by Guinness Antwerpen Stout.

Producing Roe & Co Cask & Keg collaboration, with two unique variants of Irish Whiskey from Roe & Co – a Citra IPA cask finished Roe & Co. blended Irish whiskey (€85) and an Antwerpen Stout cask finished Roe & Co blended Irish whiskey (€85).

Cask & Keg whiskey Tasting Notes:

Citra IPA cask finished Roe & Co. blended Irish whiskey.

Through finishing our signature blend in Guinness Citra IPA casks, this whiskey now reveals notes of citrus sherbet, apricot jam, grapefruit peel and white peach.

Antwerpen Stout cask finished Roe & Co blended Irish whiskey.

Through finishing our signature blend in Guinness Antwerpen stout casks, this whiskey now reveals notes of honeycomb, burnt molasses, coffee, cocoa and chocolate-covered liquorice.

Roe & Co Cask & Keg, Distillery exclusive whiskeys can be bought individually at €85 or as a giftset retailing at €95 for one bottle of the chosen whiskeys and four beers (Two of each finish). Available from 16th December, purchased through www.shop.roeandcowhiskey.com

So Dublin has a whiskey district now? Interesting.

odyssey06 · 15-12-2020 08:51PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So Dublin has a whiskey district now? Interesting.

De Liberties.

Teelings.
Roe Co.
Dublin Liberties Distillery.

Bedouin79 · 15-12-2020 08:59PM

degzs wrote: »

What whiskey makes a good hot whiskey?

Has anyone tired any of the Jameson caskmates in a hot one ?

Really like caskmates stout edition, but recently tried Jameson Black barrel and it was lovely

BeerNut · 15-12-2020 09:06PM

Cazale wrote: »

Given this was once the Guinness Power Station, it was a matter of time before real-life neighbours Guinness Open Gate Brewery and Roe & Co came together to create something truly special.

Copy like this does my head in. Just own the fact that it's the same company!

odyssey06 · 15-12-2020 09:17PM

BeerNut wrote: »

Copy like this does my head in. Just own the fact that it's the same company!

The Company That Must Not Be Named.

BeerNut · 15-12-2020 09:24PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The Company That Must Not Be Named.

Every Day All Over The World.

EagererBeaver · 15-12-2020 09:41PM

BeerNut wrote: »

Copy like this does my head in. Just own the fact that it's the same company!

They shouldn't be allowed get away with ****e like that. The implication is that they just kind of found each other and they work perfectly together thanks to the mystic power of the universe. Should have to declare it.

BonnieSituation · 15-12-2020 10:01PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

They shouldn't be allowed get away with ****e like that. The implication is that they just kind of found each other and they work perfectly together thanks to the mystic power of the universe. Should have to declare it.

It does say on their website that they're owned by The Guinness Storehouse. Though, a reading of it could imply that the website is owned by the Storehouse... Hmmm...

https://shop.roeandcowhiskey.com/policies/terms-of-service

Isn't it not well enough known at this point that they're owned buy Guinness or at least a Guinness business?

EagererBeaver · 15-12-2020 10:08PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It does say on their website that they're owned by The Guinness Storehouse. Though, a reading of it could imply that the website is owned by the Storehouse... Hmmm...

https://shop.roeandcowhiskey.com/policies/terms-of-service

Isn't it not well enough known at this point that they're owned buy Guinness or at least a Guinness business?

To people familiar with the Irish whiskey scene, perhaps. Public at large, international audience? Not a hope I'd expect.

BeerNut · 15-12-2020 10:38PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

They shouldn't be allowed get away with ****e like that. The implication is that they just kind of found each other and they work perfectly together thanks to the mystic power of the universe. Should have to declare it.

It would be a pretty hard law to draft effectively. You see it all the time. There's a brewery-owned bar in Dublin that used to regularly tweet about the great beers that their "friends" at [parent brewery] have been making.

People paying attention might know, and the truth isn't too hard to find with a bit of digging, but I think it makes companies look dodgy when they do it. What else is a lie?

Oh, the source of the whiskey. Of course...

Effects · 15-12-2020 10:45PM

BeerNut wrote: »

Oh, the source of the whiskey. Of course...

I went to the original launch of Roe and Co, in the power station, before it was revamped as a distillery/tourist attraction. I asked one of the PR people there, where the current liquid was distilled. The response I got, was that it "was made in a factory on the Nangor Road".

EagererBeaver · 15-12-2020 11:40PM

Shows how much of the business is absolute marketing waffle they know 95% of people won't question. Sure look at your man a few pages back who is measuring drops of water info his glass with a pipette because someone in a distillery told him "Irish whiskey has oils and tannins in it".

Wailin · 16-12-2020 12:08AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

someone in a distillery told him "Irish whiskey has oils and tannins in it".

Tannins are found in the wood of trees. Whiskey is aged in the wood of trees. Science is real.

Insect Overlord · 16-12-2020 12:09AM

I've created a monster. Mixed a dash of Roe & Co. with a dash of Method & Madness single grain, over three ice cubes. I'm enjoying it far too much.

1901Rory · 16-12-2020 12:22AM

Weepsie wrote: »

I've posted this aready in the thread, but Talisker 10 Year old makes an outstanding hot toddy.
The peatiness of it just ads a real comforting warmth I think.

I’d second that. Not that I’d recommend buying it for a hot toddy but Lagavulin 16 makes a great one too. It’s the warmth of the peatiness as you say.

1901Rory · 16-12-2020 12:28AM

Cazale wrote: »

Gonna start a little blog in the new year to review whiskey and to keep a record of what I've tried as I can't remember half of what I tasted this year.

Look fwd to reading more of your thoughts by way of a blog. I’ve used some apps to track what i tasted like barrelled, Whizzky and Distiller. The last one is the best I’ve found.

EagererBeaver · 16-12-2020 12:40AM

Wailin wrote: »

Tannins are found in the wood of trees. Whiskey is aged in the wood of trees. Science is real.

Well done.

Mellor · 16-12-2020 12:48AM

Cazale wrote: »

Powers gold label is the most expensive distillate they make at the Midleton distillery.

I heard that before, but I didn't understand the context.
In what way is is more expensive that greenspot, or Jameson or whatever?

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It does say on their website that they're owned by The Guinness Storehouse. Though, a reading of it could imply that the website is owned by the Storehouse... Hmmm...

https://shop.roeandcowhiskey.com/policies/terms-of-service

Isn't it not well enough known at this point that they're owned buy Guinness or at least a Guinness business?

I think that is referring to the website/shopify being operated by the storehouse.
Roe and Co isn't owned by Guinness, any more than Guinness is owned by Johnnie Walker. They are both owned by an industry giant - same as most big spirit brands.

Obvious there's a ton of cross marketing, and cost price supply going on. But I doubts the execs of guinness give a toss about success of Roe and Coe.

Effects wrote: »

I went to the original launch of Roe and Co, in the power station, before it was revamped as a distillery/tourist attraction. I asked one of the PR people there, where the current liquid was distilled. The response I got, was that it "was made in a factory on the Nangor Road".

The PR person was probably a contracted the the event and had no clue about Whiskey. It's bottled in a facility somewhere in the Naas/Nangor road areas. But the spirit is not produced there. Certain not anything in the current release. Maybe their barrel storehouse is there, as it can't be in Dublin city.

Cazale · 16-12-2020 01:52AM

Mellor wrote:

I heard that before, but I didn't understand the context. In what way is is more expensive that greenspot, or Jameson or whatever?

It's distillate driven so they use mainly 2nd or 3rd fill bourbon barrels which have less of an impact on the spirit. They only use the heart of the distillate so the head and tail isn't used.

Greenspot is more cask driven. 1st fill bourbon barrels and sherry casks. Less about the distillate so the cuts are wider.

What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

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