COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:15AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

You do realise it's not their fault ( if any exists) that the vaccine is not approved yet ?

No it will be their fault when the rollout lags behind the rest of the EU ,which it will
No plan in place .
Using Gp and pharmacies etc
A vaccination should be a 5 min in and out job with a 15 min observation period
I can tell you now if my 81 yr old mother or any of others in that age group go to their GP for a vaccine then they will want to discuss all of their other ailments and will be there for 30 mins
My mothers flu vaccine took 25 mins
A proper rollout plan with large scale vaccination centres will be needed

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:17AM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

It would provide the public with a tangible timeline and a framework for how it's going to work. How is that a waste of time? Ffs

They wont do that because then there is accountability when they mess up

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:19AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh, how did Japan get into this? The UK have got strategies wrong, failed miserably on contact tracing and I've lost track of how many "game changers" they've had. In short they've spoofed a lot and Spring really means early Autumn!

Then they can be held to account
God forbid that the HSE would put themselves into such a position
They have a long distinguished track record of no accountability

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:23AM

Henryq. wrote: »

That was me

We should be talking vaccine rollout now

At the moment the government are throwing out soundbytes about the vaccine

Plan should have been in place and out in the open well before the vaccine was subject to approval

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:25AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed they took care of over 1m flu' shots this year. It's all the other issues that exist in the HSE that are conflated for this. We will see tomorrow or the next day anyway.

And still a low take up of the child flu vaccine with thousands of doses due to go out of date in January
No big push to get it done ,plus a shortage of the normal flu vaccine

ACitizenErased · 15-12-2020 11:26AM

EMA issuing Pfizer approval Dec 23rd according to reports.

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:28AM

jackboy wrote: »

Never said it was. My point is they are exceptional planners and organisers by European standards and they are still in the sh1t.

And once the vaccine is approved (something they have no control over )they will roll it out within 48 hrs
MM saying we will roll out the week ,yes the week after approval
God forbid someone in the HSE should have to cut short their Christmas holidays

Marhay70 · 15-12-2020 11:29AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

EMA issuing Pfizer approval Dec 23rd according to reports.

If they know they will approve it on 23rd why can't they approve it today, doesn't make sense.

ACitizenErased · 15-12-2020 11:29AM

Here's the report, citing Bild (German newspaper)
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-germany-eu-vaccine.html

ACitizenErased · 15-12-2020 11:31AM

Bild are reporting that the German Health Ministry and Merkel have told the EMA to hurry up basically

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No, but I'm guessing the hope with this would be it might be one to use on young people and possibly eventually achieve eradication of the virus. These vaccine types tend to give long term protection for other viruses.

Given it's only just starting out I don't think it will play any part in ending the pandemic but might be a useful tool long term.

If successful it would certainly be a gamechanger for vaccinating children and mass vaccinations in poorer countries

Mitch Connor · 15-12-2020 11:34AM

brisan wrote: »

And once the vaccine is approved (something they have no control over )they will roll it out within 48 hrs
MM saying we will roll out the week ,yes the week after approval
God forbid someone in the HSE should have to cut short their Christmas holidays

If it is approved on the 23rd, I can't see their being massive appetite to start vaccines on the 25th. or the Saturday 26, Sunday 27th. Monday 28th seems reasonable, imo. Which would be the week after.

ACitizenErased · 15-12-2020 11:34AM

BILD article for those who can read German https://www.bild.de/politik/2020/politik/exklusiv-impfstoff-zulassung-noch-am-23-dezember-74471126.bild.html

Marhay70 · 15-12-2020 11:35AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Here's the report, citing Bild (German newspaper)
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-germany-eu-vaccine.html

Well that's not exactly to say that it will be approved on 23rd.
I'd love to know what exactly the EMA need to know that's different from the US or Singapore or Canada. Early on I was inclined to think , " well they're being thorough" but now I'm thinking "get the finger out"

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:36AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

why on earth do they come out with things like that? like i have this knawing feeling that the medical people have this fantasy world they would like society to be like. What would a medics social life be like n this fantasy world? what would people do for fun?

Read the Lancet while playing with their concernometers

Deenie78 · 15-12-2020 11:40AM

I'm as hesitant as the next person is about how the HSE are going to manage this, however I think its a bit of a waste of energy and headspace to get frustrated and annoyed about the potential disaster this is going to be. As I understand it there was a few unknowns about these vaccines until recently so for example putting a plan in place for the elderly and vulnerable first, throwing lots of resources at that and then discovering it wasn't suitable for them could have been a waste of time.

Also, there isn't an actual vaccine available yet, so we're complaining about being behind when we're not actually in a position to start yet.

Don't get me wrong, I agree they should have had some sort of plan before now (and perhaps they did) but maybe we wait to see what the actual plan is today, then see when the vaccines become available and if at that point we are lagging behind or making a mess of it then by all means it should be open season on the HSE, etc.
(Just to mention I am desperate for this vaccine to become available, I have a really vulnerable Dad who would like to get back to seeing his kids and grandkids while he still can)

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:40AM

leahyl wrote: »

I honestly think they are just being cautious so that when most people are vaccinated by late April they can say “we are ahead of schedule”! Hopefully...! :-P

Have you lived in Ireland long or ever had reason to interact with the HSE

ixoy · 15-12-2020 11:40AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

BILD article for those who can read German https://www.bild.de/politik/2020/politik/exklusiv-impfstoff-zulassung-noch-am-23-dezember-74471126.bild.html

Google Translate tells me that it needs the Irish Emer Cooke, head of the EMA, to get this across the line.

schmoo2k · 15-12-2020 11:42AM

leahyl wrote: »

Like, I’m curious, was this always the way it was going to be, that we will still need restrictions even after most people are vaccinated because if so, what is the point of the vaccine??! This is what I just don’t understand! It’s like some medical professionals want it to keep going; depressing stuff

The earliest we will see restrictions lifting will be once the high risk folks have had their vaccines and hospital numbers have dropped. Could be as soon as early Feb...

is_that_so · 15-12-2020 11:45AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No date in that quote.

He could mean christmas 2021 there for all you know.

It's a good call at this point not to put dates on it and it's the political message that is absolutely key as NPHET will just say it like it is in that blunt approach of theirs.

is_that_so · 15-12-2020 11:47AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

The earliest we will see restrictions lifting will be once the high risk folks have had their vaccines and hospital numbers have dropped. Could be as soon as early Feb...

Not if, as claimed, we will have limited supplies of vaccines for a few months. March or April are probably more realistic.

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:48AM

seamus wrote: »

Early Summer would be considerably ahead of schedule. Most western countries aren't expecting effective 100% coverage before the end of 2021.

What you might have heard is that the main priority groups will be done by early Summer.

There are two things going on here;

- "The vaccine is not the end of Covid" means that the start of vaccinations does not mean the end of restrictions. We will still be working with level 3-5 restrictions for 8-16 weeks after vaccinations start. They're trying to get it into peoples' heads that vaccine approval doesn't mean binning the masks and having granny over for a party.

- "We will still have restrictions until <some far off date>" is sand-bagging for the most part. We can make educated guesses at where we will be as the year progresses, but politicians are wary of over-promising. If you tell people you expect to be near the end of restrictions in May, then you'll be crucified if something unexpected happens and you still have restrictions in August. Instead, tell people it could be July and they'll be glad when it's May.
I would hope so. When you go into a hospital it is dead simple and no effort at all to sanitise your hands as you move through it.
There's no reason we can't do the same in every building on an ongoing basis. Why wouldn't you?

Have you any links to back up the piece in bold ??

ACitizenErased · 15-12-2020 11:48AM

ixoy wrote: »

Google Translate tells me that it needs the Irish Emer Cooke, head of the EMA, to get this across the line.

I'm shocked that an Irish person's taking their time

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:50AM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Italy is planning to make the vaccine mandatory, so it won't matter whether people bother or not. If other European countries follow the example, there will be no big issue.

Not questioning the statement ,but is that actually legal
Posters on here saying it not legally possible

is_that_so · 15-12-2020 11:51AM

Deenie78 wrote: »

I'm as hesitant as the next person is about how the HSE are going to manage this, however I think its a bit of a waste of energy and headspace to get frustrated and annoyed about the potential disaster this is going to be. As I understand it there was a few unknowns about these vaccines until recently so for example putting a plan in place for the elderly and vulnerable first, throwing lots of resources at that and then discovering it wasn't suitable for them could have been a waste of time.

Also, there isn't an actual vaccine available yet, so we're complaining about being behind when we're not actually in a position to start yet.

Don't get me wrong, I agree they should have had some sort of plan before now (and perhaps they did) but maybe we wait to see what the actual plan is today, then see when the vaccines become available and if at that point we are lagging behind or making a mess of it then by all means it should be open season on the HSE, etc.
(Just to mention I am desperate for this vaccine to become available, I have a really vulnerable Dad who would like to get back to seeing his kids and grandkids while he still can)

They organise flu' vaccines perfectly well every year, this year over 1m of them. It won't be a challenge until we get to the much larger numbers of general population. That's likely to be around summertime.

Marhay70 · 15-12-2020 11:52AM

ixoy wrote: »

Google Translate tells me that it needs the Irish Emer Cooke, head of the EMA, to get this across the line.

That would suggest it's an admin decision rather than a clinical decision, again not an ideal situation.
My vision of the EMA approval would be a panel of top doctors and scientists assessing the findings and passing judgement on the findings.

is_that_so · 15-12-2020 11:53AM

brisan wrote: »

Not questioning the statement ,but is that actually legal
Posters on here saying it not legally possible

They already do it.

Vaccines against the following diseases are mandatory for Italian schoolchildren: polio, diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis B, haemophilus influenzae B, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and chickenpox.

brisan · 15-12-2020 11:54AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If it is approved on the 23rd, I can't see their being massive appetite to start vaccines on the 25th. or the Saturday 26, Sunday 27th. Monday 28th seems reasonable, imo. Which would be the week after.

Do you honestly think elderly vulnerable people in care homes who have had no visitors for months ,or HCW who are at work would have an issue getting vaccinated on Christmas day

CIARAN_BOYLE · 15-12-2020 11:55AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a good call at this point not to put dates on it and it's the political message that is absolutely key as NPHET will just say it like it is in that blunt approach of theirs.

I'm reading the NPHET line

The vaccine wont get us back to normal until the majority of the country has been vaccinated

although I admit the italicised section is something I am adding in myself.

braychelsea · 15-12-2020 11:56AM

Marhay70 wrote: »

Well that's not exactly to say that it will be approved on 23rd.
I'd love to know what exactly the EMA need to know that's different from the US or Singapore or Canada. Early on I was inclined to think , " well they're being thorough" but now I'm thinking "get the finger out"

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28P174

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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