BeefeaterHat wrote: » It would provide the public with a tangible timeline and a framework for how it's going to work. How is that a waste of time? Ffs
is_that_so wrote: » Eh, how did Japan get into this? The UK have got strategies wrong, failed miserably on contact tracing and I've lost track of how many "game changers" they've had. In short they've spoofed a lot and Spring really means early Autumn!
Henryq. wrote: » That was me We should be talking vaccine rollout now At the moment the government are throwing out soundbytes about the vaccine
is_that_so wrote: » Indeed they took care of over 1m flu' shots this year. It's all the other issues that exist in the HSE that are conflated for this. We will see tomorrow or the next day anyway.
jackboy wrote: » Never said it was. My point is they are exceptional planners and organisers by European standards and they are still in the sh1t.
ACitizenErased wrote: » EMA issuing Pfizer approval Dec 23rd according to reports.
Deleted User wrote: » No, but I'm guessing the hope with this would be it might be one to use on young people and possibly eventually achieve eradication of the virus. These vaccine types tend to give long term protection for other viruses. Given it's only just starting out I don't think it will play any part in ending the pandemic but might be a useful tool long term.
brisan wrote: » And once the vaccine is approved (something they have no control over )they will roll it out within 48 hrs MM saying we will roll out the week ,yes the week after approval God forbid someone in the HSE should have to cut short their Christmas holidays
ACitizenErased wrote: » Here's the report, citing Bild (German newspaper)https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-germany-eu-vaccine.html
Dickie10 wrote: » why on earth do they come out with things like that? like i have this knawing feeling that the medical people have this fantasy world they would like society to be like. What would a medics social life be like n this fantasy world? what would people do for fun?
leahyl wrote: » I honestly think they are just being cautious so that when most people are vaccinated by late April they can say “we are ahead of schedule”! Hopefully...! :-P
ACitizenErased wrote: » BILD article for those who can read German https://www.bild.de/politik/2020/politik/exklusiv-impfstoff-zulassung-noch-am-23-dezember-74471126.bild.html
leahyl wrote: » Like, I’m curious, was this always the way it was going to be, that we will still need restrictions even after most people are vaccinated because if so, what is the point of the vaccine??! This is what I just don’t understand! It’s like some medical professionals want it to keep going; depressing stuff
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » No date in that quote. He could mean christmas 2021 there for all you know.
schmoo2k wrote: » The earliest we will see restrictions lifting will be once the high risk folks have had their vaccines and hospital numbers have dropped. Could be as soon as early Feb...
seamus wrote: » Early Summer would be considerably ahead of schedule. Most western countries aren't expecting effective 100% coverage before the end of 2021. What you might have heard is that the main priority groups will be done by early Summer. There are two things going on here; - "The vaccine is not the end of Covid" means that the start of vaccinations does not mean the end of restrictions. We will still be working with level 3-5 restrictions for 8-16 weeks after vaccinations start. They're trying to get it into peoples' heads that vaccine approval doesn't mean binning the masks and having granny over for a party. - "We will still have restrictions until <some far off date>" is sand-bagging for the most part. We can make educated guesses at where we will be as the year progresses, but politicians are wary of over-promising. If you tell people you expect to be near the end of restrictions in May, then you'll be crucified if something unexpected happens and you still have restrictions in August. Instead, tell people it could be July and they'll be glad when it's May. I would hope so. When you go into a hospital it is dead simple and no effort at all to sanitise your hands as you move through it. There's no reason we can't do the same in every building on an ongoing basis. Why wouldn't you?
ixoy wrote: » Google Translate tells me that it needs the Irish Emer Cooke, head of the EMA, to get this across the line.
Irish Stones wrote: » Italy is planning to make the vaccine mandatory, so it won't matter whether people bother or not. If other European countries follow the example, there will be no big issue.
Deenie78 wrote: » I'm as hesitant as the next person is about how the HSE are going to manage this, however I think its a bit of a waste of energy and headspace to get frustrated and annoyed about the potential disaster this is going to be. As I understand it there was a few unknowns about these vaccines until recently so for example putting a plan in place for the elderly and vulnerable first, throwing lots of resources at that and then discovering it wasn't suitable for them could have been a waste of time. Also, there isn't an actual vaccine available yet, so we're complaining about being behind when we're not actually in a position to start yet. Don't get me wrong, I agree they should have had some sort of plan before now (and perhaps they did) but maybe we wait to see what the actual plan is today, then see when the vaccines become available and if at that point we are lagging behind or making a mess of it then by all means it should be open season on the HSE, etc. (Just to mention I am desperate for this vaccine to become available, I have a really vulnerable Dad who would like to get back to seeing his kids and grandkids while he still can)
brisan wrote: » Not questioning the statement ,but is that actually legal Posters on here saying it not legally possible
Mitch Connor wrote: » If it is approved on the 23rd, I can't see their being massive appetite to start vaccines on the 25th. or the Saturday 26, Sunday 27th. Monday 28th seems reasonable, imo. Which would be the week after.
is_that_so wrote: » It's a good call at this point not to put dates on it and it's the political message that is absolutely key as NPHET will just say it like it is in that blunt approach of theirs.
Marhay70 wrote: » Well that's not exactly to say that it will be approved on 23rd. I'd love to know what exactly the EMA need to know that's different from the US or Singapore or Canada. Early on I was inclined to think , " well they're being thorough" but now I'm thinking "get the finger out"
