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Channels removed from Sky's EPG today

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  • 14-12-2020 6:06pm
    #1
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭


    Trace Xmas 364
    Trace Vault 365
    NOW 70s 368
    NOW XMAS 371
    NOW 80s 372
    Clubland TV 373

    CGTN HD 509
    RT HD 511
    RT 879
    CGTN 891

    JML Direct 661
    Cruise1st.tv 688

    AAJ TAK 710
    British Muslim 752

    Classic FM 0106
    Absolute 0107
    talkSPORT 0108
    Capital 0109
    Planet Rock 0110
    Heart 0111
    Heart 80s 0112
    Radio X 0113
    Capital XTRA 0114
    Gold 0121
    WRN Europe 0122
    LBC 0124
    Smooth 0128
    TWR 0138
    Heart Dance 0146
    Sukh Sagar 0150
    Desi Radio 0169
    Kiss 0178
    Magic 0180
    Hits Radio 0188
    Absolute 80s 0200
    Absolute 90s 0201
    Jazz FM 0202
    Classic Rock 0203
    Virgin Radio 0215
    Scala Radio 0216
    Heart 90s 0217
    LBC News 0221

    No doubt it's Brexit releated

    And without doubt Sky will be rising their prices soon enough


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    #2
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    What’s the story with sky music and sky radio channels? I seem to have lost a lot of the channels from sky Q package.


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    smurf492
    Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭smurf492


    Thought it might be temporary with all the updates added today... Hopefully they come back


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    deise08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Wow!! Only 5 music channels left.
    That's a lot of radio gone too.


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    #5
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    What’s the story with sky music and sky radio channels? I seem to have lost a lot of the channels from sky Q package.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058141118


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    #6
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    deise08 wrote: »
    Wow!! Only 5 music channels left.
    That's a lot of radio gone too.

    Sorry started a thread on this also. Does anyone know what’s happened???


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    #7
    smurf492
    Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭smurf492


    Turns out it's due to licensing issues caused by brexit


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    #8
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    smurf492 wrote: »
    Turns out it's due to licensing issues caused by brexit

    Jesus that’s really disappointing.


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    #9
    smurf492
    Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭smurf492


    Definitely should have been rolled out better... Adding amazon prime and a bunch of new hdr content was probably to soften the blow


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    #10
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Freesat for the win!


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    #11
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,243 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    I take it they were only removed from the ROI EPG?


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    smurf492
    Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭smurf492


    Atlantic Dawn wrote:
    I take it they were only removed from the ROI EPG?


    Yes


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    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Related, presumably Virgin media suffer likewise


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    mackersdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Related, presumably Virgin media suffer likewise

    None of the channels removed from Sky Ireland today are on the Virgin Media Ireland EPG, so no change to their service


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    #15
    mike2084
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Confirmed by Sky here:

    https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/What-s-On/Changes-to-the-Sky-TV-guide-December-2020/m-p/3543472/emcs_t/S2h8ZW1haWx8dG9waWNfc3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ufEtJT1IyMk8xUlNaWFRPfDM1NDM0NzJ8U1VCU0NSSVBUSU9OU3xoSw#M112488

    I had guessed this would happen - just glad it wasn't more channels. I presume that it had to be done today for Jan 1st as the EPG is locked down over Christmas.

    Of course any FTA can be still added to Other Channels.


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    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Merged.

    Actually surprised it wasn’t more to be honest but it’s an extra regulatory burden for some channels operating on a small budget - before a U.K. license would have done for Ireland also thanks to the EU AV Directive and now it doesn’t, so every broadcaster on the Irish EPG has had to take out a license elsewhere in the EU (most have I understand gone to the Netherlands, the Czech Republic, or Bavaria - Ireland isn’t really an option due to our heavy touch regulatory regime).

    And yes, nothing can block a FTA signal.

    If you have a smart speaker as a growing number of people do these days you should be able to listen to most U.K. radio stations through that.


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    #17
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    I think those channels are all Free to Air.

    All available on the Saorview Combo


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    #18
    Vic_08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    I assume the notice about the reduced price of Irish subscriptions is in the post then.


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    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,122 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    deise08 wrote: »
    Wow!! Only 5 music channels left.
    That's a lot of radio gone too.

    Yes many music channels gone :(
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #20
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Talksport there is the only one that might ever come back I'd expect - there already is a Talksport Ireland with Irish opt-outs (Irish punditry for football) and Irish ad substitution online; so an Irish version on satellite is not out of the question.

    The rest are likely never to be seen again except if you add them to Other Channels.


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    #21
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    I assume the notice about the reduced price of Irish subscriptions is in the post then.

    None of the channels concerned were part of a Sky package, were they? (Clue: they wouldn’t have been removed if they were). In other words, you weren’t paying for them in the first place, so why would Sky compensate you for their removal. This is just as much a hit for Sky as for you; they are losing the payment for an EPG listing in Ireland that these channels were paying. They are no longer licensed here as of 1st January 2021 and Sky can no longer give them a listing on its EPG.


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    #22
    FanadMan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭FanadMan


    I noticed this mon morning when I tried Planet Rock. When I checked the Radio page there was only one page rather than the usual two/three.

    It's always been strange with Planet Rock. Can't install their android app cos it's only available in the UK. Can't listen through website cos I'm not in the UK (just put in my old Derry postcode and it works). But Sky were always great that it just worked.

    Is there any way to add radio channels to Other Channels? First gen Sky+ box here.


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    #23
    Rick_
    Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Rick_


    Yes there is. See my sticky thread for the walk through and also tuning details for the most popular channels/radio stations - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055520627

    Tuning details for Planet Rock are -

    11.553
    H
    22000
    5/6


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    GIMP
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭GIMP


    Just wondering how come all those shopping, religious or international channels haven't been pulled as well? All of them are aiming for specific UK audiences.


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    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    GIMP wrote: »
    Just wondering how come all those shopping, religious or international channels haven't been pulled as well? All of them are aiming for specific UK audiences.

    The international and religious channels often have European licences already as they're on multiple platforms. Shopping stuff could go yet.


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    #26
    NewClareman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭NewClareman


    I just checked and most/all of the radio channels are still available when using Enigma2 in radio mode. However, only those channels that are on Freesat appear to be getting an EPG. This is despite the OpenTV guide being active.

    It might be worth checking that the missing channels of interest are available on Freesat, before buying a Freesat box. (I have a 'Freesat Radio Bouquet' on my Enigma2 box, but many of the missing radio channels are not on it.)


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    #27
    garrettod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Sky customers should be demanding a price reduction, if they are to receive a lesser service, going forward.

    Thanks,

    G.



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    #28
    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,285 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    garrettod wrote: »
    Sky customers should be demanding a price reduction, if they are to receive a lesser service, going forward.

    See ICDG's post 6 above yours...


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    #29
    garrettod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭garrettod


    dulpit wrote: »
    See ICDG's post 6 above yours...

    Thanks.

    I would have a different opinion to ICDG, regarding part of his / her post, above.

    Services that are provided over time, become an implied part of the deal, even if not originally stated. Much as feature enhancements do.

    ICDG is most likely correct about Sky loading some revenue, with these broadcasters being removed from the Irish EPG, I've no idea how much is involved, but given the level of profitability at Sky, it's not an issue.

    I stand by my view that customers should be pushing back and pressing Sky for reduction - Sky are too quick to increase fees when they feel like it, and it shouldn't be all one way.

    Thanks,

    G.



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    #30
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    To repeat, Sky was not responsible for providing these channels to you. You weren’t paying for them, so why you should be compensated. Sky provided these channels - for a payment - a listing on their EPG. Sky has now introduced a condition that to be listed on the Irish EPG channels need to have an EU license. Now whether Sky actually needed to do that (remembering that the EPG is actually provided from and regulated in the U.K.) is debatable. To an extent it doesn’t actually matter because that was the decision they decided to take, it is their EPG. Channels come and go from the Sky EPG on a very frequent basis and if Sky had to compensate customers for each change then they would be out of business because we wouldn’t be paying anything.

    On a more general point - even if these channels were part of a Sky package, Sky and all other pay TV providers have a clause stating that they can vary line ups. They need to have this clause. They cannot be responsible for any scenario where a third party channel decides to leave the platform for any reason. Channels come and go. No more than there being a price increase every time a new channel launches.


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    #31
    Vic_08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    God, poor Sky, must be terrible for them to be at the whim of these broadcasters while all they have is a monopoly on the DTH satellite tv market. :rolleyes:

    The totality of the channels provided on the Sky boxes is the service they sell (at very high prices) to their customers.

    Sky went to great lengths to ensure their service was the only one available in the UK/IRL market, they purposely locked down the encryption standard and engineered the boxes so any non-sky EPG channels were only available through a side menu with poor functionality.

    If channels drop off their service for whatever reason that's a drop in value to their paying customers and definitely a legitimate reason to expect a reassessment of the subscription they are paying, no matter what Sky or their shills think.


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