Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

Deeper Blue · 14-12-2020 11:56PM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

John Giles too who is apparently getting the vaccine tomorrow (wasn’t sure but he must live in England atm).

He's lived in England for most of his adult life as far as I know. I'm glad he's getting the vaccine, I heard him say recently that he was terrified to walk down the street

Deeper Blue · 14-12-2020 11:58PM

The guy on with Claire Byrne there was very good. It was great to see him shutting her down when she was practically salivating at the thought of the "killer new strain".

FinglasFollain · 15-12-2020 12:01AM

El Sueño wrote: »

He's lived in England for most of his adult life as far as I know. I'm glad he's getting the vaccine, I heard him say recently that he was terrified to walk down the street

Yeah he’s a good skin. Nice to see how getting the vaccine will give him another lease of life essentially.

Deeper Blue · 15-12-2020 12:08AM

That video of Michael Dowling in the states is gas, between the bogger accent and the clip being filmed using a potato, it's like something straight out of rural Limerick.

ACitizenErased · 15-12-2020 12:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't really need high levels for Phase 1 and 2 of a study, they're for safety, dosing, immune response. It's only Phase 3 where you'll look at efficacy.

I highly doubt we have quarantine facilities for vaccine development in this country

GT89 · 15-12-2020 12:14AM

Seen this today. What a bunch of sick bastards sinking to a new low trying to terrorise children now with their covid fear mongering nonsense.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-ad-showing-santa-unconscious-23156276

Deeper Blue · 15-12-2020 12:17AM

That mannequin has contributed more tonight than Tomas Ryan has in all his TV appearances combined. Fair play to him.

Cork2021 · 15-12-2020 12:26AM

I’m absolutely done with listening to
Claire Byrne! That fool at the start, Christ what a fuçking idiot!! Paul Moyna put her back in her apologetic box! That poll was a joke as well. It’s obvious they’re calling on the most vulnerable

gipi · 15-12-2020 12:34AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Thanks my missus has tested postive and is afraid of being around the kids

One other quick question can the HSE give you any detials of your close contact, as in when they got notfied of being a close contact themselves or when they actually tested, She trying to figure out when exactly she would have got it, but they never mentioned anything about when her close contact was tested, is that procedure or just because she never asked

The HSE can't tell her due to data protection.
Hope she and your family get through it ok.

yerwanthere123 · 15-12-2020 12:48AM

Seeing the news of Germany and The Netherlands going back into lockdown makes me grateful for the vastly different Christmas experience we'll be getting in Ireland. Yes it's still a crazy situation, but could be a whole lot worse. I just hope we get the whole of Christmas out of it and the government don't pull the shutters down prematurely before the new year.

blowitupref · 15-12-2020 12:48AM

HSE operations update.

In hospital 204 (increase of 9)
In ICU 33.(increase of 3)

Ficheall · 15-12-2020 01:28AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Kids shouldn't know who Tony H is, kids shouldn't be watching him. It's bad enough we have to listen to him without terrifying kids as well.

Oooh, the big scary man with the numbers... Candidate for top Halloween costume next year, aye.

Cork2021 · 15-12-2020 07:39AM

Christ all of the media have jumped on this new strain crap!
All papers have outlandish headlines in the UK!

https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12161742

ElJeffe · 15-12-2020 07:52AM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Seeing the news of Germany and The Netherlands going back into lockdown makes me grateful for the vastly different Christmas experience we'll be getting in Ireland. Yes it's still a crazy situation, but could be a whole lot worse. I just hope we get the whole of Christmas out of it and the government don't pull the shutters down prematurely before the new year.

Yes indeed. Tony and NPHET have done a wonderful job thus far. If they call for another lockdown tomorrow i'd have no problem with that as this killer virus must be respected.

Faugheen · 15-12-2020 07:59AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Kids shouldn't know who Tony H is, kids shouldn't be watching him. It's bad enough we have to listen to him without terrifying kids as well.

Didn’t realise Tony was the big bad boogeyman.

Some of the hysterics here are insane. I’ll parent my child the way I see fit, you parent yours the way you see fit.

Cork2021 · 15-12-2020 08:04AM

Faugheen wrote: »

Didn’t realise Tony was the big bad boogeyman.

Some of the hysterics here are insane. I’ll parent my child the way I see fit, you parent yours the way you see fit.

So in all honesty you think it’s okay to let your kids listen to Holahan et al always talking negatively and about death? Kids don’t need that exposure they’ve had a crap year so no need to subject them to this

Faugheen · 15-12-2020 08:12AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

So in all honesty you think it’s okay to let your kids listen to Holahan et al always talking negatively and about death? Kids don’t need that exposure they’ve had a crap year so need to subject them to this

Well if we’re watching the briefing and she’s in the room we’re not changing the channel.

You think she doesn’t ask questions about why she couldn’t go outside during the first lockdown? Why her great-grandmother died? Why she couldn’t go to school for so long? Why we’re wearing masks everywhere we go? Why she can’t see her grandparents and will she see them at Christmas? Will Santa be coming?

Children aren’t thick. They might not understand everything that’s going on, but they’re not stupid enough to think everything is normal.

If we’ve the briefing on and she comes into the room we’ll keep watching it. We don’t force her to sit down and watch with us but every now and again she does.

Don’t judge people when you don’t know the circumstances. ****ing hell, parents of the year in this thread who know how to parent each individual child in every single family.

Like I’ve said, I don’t question your parenting methods, so please kindly respect mine.

15-12-2020 08:46AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

So in all honesty you think it’s okay to let your kids listen to Holahan et al always talking negatively and about death? Kids don’t need that exposure they’ve had a crap year so no need to subject them to this

Kids need to learn to appropriately deal with the world and be exposed to what happens in the world as they grow up. Their parents need to guide them in this by ensuring the information they get is appropriate but no sheltering them for the important matters of their time. By attempting to isolate or children from any of the realities of the world we ill-equip them for adulthood. Ethiopia Famine, Chernobyl, Challenger and Zeebruge for example all happened when I was between 6 and 9. I was fully aware of the details of of these events at the time and being made aware of these did not negatively impact my childhood in any way

is_that_so · 15-12-2020 09:08AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

So in all honesty you think it’s okay to let your kids listen to Holahan et al always talking negatively and about death? Kids don’t need that exposure they’ve had a crap year so no need to subject them to this

Children are very resilient and far more accepting of explanations than adults. They need to know what's around them and they can make sense of it in their own ways. What parents do is help them process that information without the potential anxieties. TBH this looks more like your own issues with the information.

Multipass · 15-12-2020 09:21AM

GT89 wrote: »

Seen this today. What a bunch of sick bastards sinking to a new low trying to terrorise children now with their covid fear mongering nonsense.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-ad-showing-santa-unconscious-23156276

That’s horrendous, what the hell is wrong with people? Next episode, god catches covid and world ends (I hope)

caveat emptor · 15-12-2020 09:51AM

Reading into that new strain a bit more there is a bit more too it. There's this pre print paper. There have been changes to the spike protein throughout but this but the paper claims to show data showing a two fold increase in infectivity. This is on top of research showing that these kind of mutations can lead to "antibody escape". i.e previously generated antibodies MAY not work (via infection or vaccine) . This has been observed in people treated with convalescent plasma and is a selection pressure. There's a number of different lineages that have these changes. One related to the mink in Denmark, one is similar to a mutation observed when sars covid2 was "passaged" through mice for "adaptation purposes". This change increased pathogenicity.

Basically there was something to what their health secretary said yesterday but they are probably running experiments to see if that paper is in fact accurate which will take time. There are significant clusters in SE uk with a significant change to the spike protein. The timing of the announcement of it with large restrictions in London was suspect but I wouldn't dismiss it as a non story just yet. Hopefully there's more info soon.

https://twitter.com/GuptaR_lab/status/1338743292801003520?s=20

We present data that ΔH69/ΔV70 increases Spike-mediated infectivity by approximately two fold and therefore may be a compensatory mechanism for putative antibody escape mutations in Spike. Enhanced surveillance for this deletion with and without RBD mutations should be considered as a priority.

prunudo · 15-12-2020 09:55AM

Children are far more likely to pick up on their parents or other adults anxieties about the virus than from watching the news. That said, whatever the age, if people are anxious or fearful , watching the news and press breifings will only make you worse.
Going ot here but I'm still amazed the level of information some parents give their children about 'adult' situations or stories. By all means give them the basics but they don't need to know every detail of why someone died or a medical treatment they are going through.
The stories that raind mentioned were all in the news when I was a child too, I remember the events but not the human side of the stories. But then I saw them on John Cravens newsround rather than the six one.

eagle eye · 15-12-2020 10:19AM

All my kids have known about this virus is that it's very dangerous and best avoided and doing that means socially distancing, wearing masks and washing your hands all the time.
I don't know how anybody could get their kid to sit and watch an NPHET press briefing.

Faugheen · 15-12-2020 10:29AM

eagle eye wrote: »

All my kids have known about this virus is that it's very dangerous and best avoided and doing that means socially distancing, wearing masks and washing your hands all the time.
I don't know how anybody could get their kid to sit and watch an NPHET press briefing.

We don’t get her to watch it at all. She chooses to come in and watch it if she so pleases, which isn’t that often. Sometimes she wants to watch tv with us, sometimes she wants us to put something on for her in our other room.

The spinning people are doing in this thread.

Tork · 15-12-2020 10:31AM

I also would like to know how many ordinary people are actually getting "hysterical" over this. If people were cowering in terror, there wouldn't be the amount of traffic on the roads the there is. Nor would the shops be so busy. I'm seeing hysterics alright but most of them are coming from one side of the argument.

eagle eye · 15-12-2020 10:39AM

Faugheen wrote:

We donâ€™t get her to watch it at all. She chooses to come in and watch it if she so pleases, which isnâ€™t that often. Sometimes she wants to watch tv with us, sometimes she wants us to put something on for her in our other room.

Yeah I can get that they might want to hang out with you and act older sometimes, I'd normally get that watching sports which none of mine have any interest in outside of GAA at the moment.
Mine have Netflix, disney+ and all the tv channels and then that mofo blippi on youtube.

Faugheen wrote:

The spinning people are doing in this thread.

I'm not doing that, just putting up my own thoughts as regards my own kids.

Tork · 15-12-2020 10:44AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah but can get that they might want to hang out with you and act older sometimes, I'd normally get that watching sports which none of mine have any interest in outside of GAA at the moment.
Mine have Netflix, disney+ and all the tv channels and then that mofo blippi on youtube.

Then the kid gives to school and has to sit in a classroom with open windows etc. If they are or and about at all they'll see those yellow signs, hear the voiceovers in shops/shopping centres, see the masks, stand in queues and put on hand sanitizer. Kids are resilient. I grew up hearing about the Troubles in the north on the news and would see it in the newspapers my parents read. Is coronavirus really worse than people being shot or blown up at the other end of the country I live in?

Hector Savage · 15-12-2020 10:46AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Christ all of the media have jumped on this new strain crap!
All papers have outlandish headlines in the UK!

https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12161742

Of course, with the vaccines rolling out they need something else to scaremonger over ... can see the fat neckbeards out there hoping and praying that it's resistant to vaccines.

eagle eye · 15-12-2020 10:51AM

Tork wrote:

Then the kid gives to school and has to sit in a classroom with open windows etc. If they are or and about at all they'll see those yellow signs, hear the voiceovers in shops/shopping centres, see the masks, stand in queues and put on hand sanitizer. Kids are resilient. I grew up hearing about the Troubles in the north on the news and would see it in the newspapers my parents read. Is coronavirus really worse than people being shot or blown up at the other end of the country I live in?

I grew up during that as well but it all seemed far away. This is on everybody's doorstep.
My kids haven't been in shops since this thing started, myself and my wife share shopping duties(mainly me).

15-12-2020 11:09AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I grew up during that as well but it all seemed far away. This is on everybody's doorstep.
My kids haven't been in shops since this thing started, myself and my wife share shopping duties(mainly me).

I think its important once they get to 6 or 7 that we give them an understanding of the why's also.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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