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Hundreds of Muslims gather to celebrate funeral of man who beheaded French teacher

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  • #302
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Moronic statement. These terrorist cults kill far more fellow Muslims than any other grouping.

    What we need to show those who murder or agree with murder in the name of Islam is that we find murder outrages.

    A cartoon and a murder should not be conflated.


  • #303
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I don't have the answers here and I will admit that.

    I do know giving into the wishes of evil killers only shows that killing people gets them what they want.

    Whatever happened to not giving into the demands of terrorists?

    There's really no bargaining to be had with an ideology/theology. What they want is a Caliphate under strict religious rule.


  • #304
    jmreire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Still in Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Mali.

    Previously in Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Kuwait...and a few more.

    Was in Liberia in 05-06, were you there then?

    No, I arrived in 2007, left in 2008 after 18 Mth's. Still have the souvenirs of it to this day LOL, Col.Ger Aherne was there at that time too. I spent quite a lot of time in Afghanistan, several years in fact, all told. Was scheduled to go to work in the Golan heights, based in Jerusalem, but my visa request was refused, ironically it was because I was Irish, and there was an Irish peace keeping force on the Golan at the time. But in that part of the world, the middle east, I spend some time in Lebanon, Iran, Jordan, Sudan, Libya, and Syria ..2013-2016. I was in quite a few other places too, but outside of the middle east.


  • #305
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    There's really no bargaining to be had with an ideology/theology. What they want is a Caliphate under strict religious rule.

    Same as American evangelicals


  • #306
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Same as American evangelicals

    Except they don't view mass murder as an acceptable way to achieve it. Neither does their religion advise them to do so.


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  • #307
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    jmreire wrote: »
    (A) When a long suffering people decide to revolt and throw off the murderous shackles of a despotic regime, would you call them murdering bastards? Because that's what the British did not only here in Ireland, but in any Country they ruled. America, Kenya etc. All fought for their independence. And the Irish Republican Army were instrumental in getting rid of them. And in each case, in each Country, the method was the same: Revolution.
    You mean "the method was the same: terrorism"?
    and how did all that terrorism work out exactly in the north? Did I miss the united ireland announcement? Or perhaps are we only getting anywhere when people stop killing each other and talk instead?
    You can glorify the killings, I'll glorify the conversations.

    (B) Or put them on the same level of people who kill solely on the instructions of their God to kill the unbelievers??

    (C) And in the here and now present time, how would you rate your chances of being killed by an IRA bomb, knife or bullWeet?, versus being killed by an Islamic terrorist in the same manner?
    Ah, so in say, 30 years if ISIS have stopped killing people your opinions on the actions "in there here and now" will change? You'll look back on them more fondly perhaps?

    We will extrapolate a little bit further, closer to home. You are attacked in your own home, in the middle of the night by an armed robber, who threatens you and your family with violence, and indeed fires the gun, narrowly missing one of your family, just to impress you that he means business. You tackle him, and in the altercation, you manage to get the gun of him, and in the melee, shoot him dead. Does that make you a murderous bastard

    And thats the same as blowing up innocent victims because....?:confused:


  • #308
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    There’s been attempts at justification for attacks here.

    Has there? :confused:
    Unless you are talking about the IRA attacks, no one has justified *any* ISIS/Islam/Muslim attacks on this thread that I have seen.

    Can you point them out please? Perhaps you have misread other posts?


  • #309
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Same as American evangelicals

    Only very loosely in theory, as in Evangelism is a theology. Not nearly a bit similar in practice, polar opposites in fact.


  • #310
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Killing innocent people should bring about the exact opposite of what they evil killers want.
    CinemaGuy45 wrote:
    I do know giving into the wishes of evil killers only shows that killing people gets them what they want.

    Whatever happened to not giving into the demands of terrorists?

    Yep, just like it should when the IRA or ETA or anyone does it, right?

    Or are only the Muslims evil and the other murdering terrorist groups are grand because they think they have a legitimate right to kill people?


  • #311
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Mr Meanor wrote: »
    This may go some way to explaining some individuals
    A research paper
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886920303238

    Quote from the study paper:


    (TIV) tendency for interpersonal victimhood

    'The study distinguishes TIV from narcissism. Narcissistic individuals also experience moral superiority and vengeful desires, but these feelings tend to spring from the belief that their authority, capability, or grandiosity is being undermined. TIV, on the other hand, is associated with low self-esteem. And while narcissists do not want to be victimized, high-TIV individuals lash out when their victimhood is questioned.'

    Interesting take on it. Looking at the most recent posts where there is deflection from the topic, deliberate obfuscation, and attempts to offer explanations for the behaviour of Islamic terrorists, it could be a combination of both groups in the study paper.


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  • #312
    RandRuns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    Since the thread seems to have gotten dragged well of the original point, what, exactly is the "ah sure the IRA were worse" posters purpose here?
    Let's say you got everyone on the thread to agree that ISIS were no worse than some other terrorist organisation, what then?
    Do you feel islamic terrorism should be ignored or excused? If so, why? If not, why are you trying to minimise it?

    I'm genuinely curious. You seem to go on to every thread where islamic terrorism or rape are mentioned in an attempt to deflect from it, minimise it, or just drag the thread into endless circular argument. What is your end goal? To get people to accept it as normal?


  • #313
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Is it possible IS-bots exist?

    all-is-well-nothing-to-see-here.jpg


  • #314
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    RandRuns wrote: »
    Since the thread seems to have gotten dragged well of the original point, what, exactly is the "ah sure the IRA were worse" posters purpose here?
    Are they worse or are they the same? Seems to me that the point has been they are the same.
    Let's say you got everyone on the thread to agree that ISIS were no worse than some other terrorist organisation, what then?
    Then you start to treat all terrorist groups equally. You might prioritize some over others but that would be based on their impact, not the justification of their cause.
    Do you feel islamic terrorism should be ignored or excused? If so, why? If not, why are you trying to minimise it?
    Seriously? Have you read *any* of my posts? Where on earth do you get the idea that I want to ignore, excuse or minimise it?
    Posters like yourself constantly peddle out this narrative that by equating terrorists groups, we are minimising them...its completely made up. I have *constantly* and *repeatedly* denounced any and all terrorist groups, its basically been the entire point of my posts, something that seems to have passed you by somehow.
    I'm genuinely curious. You seem to go on to every thread where islamic terrorism or rape are mentioned in an attempt to deflect from it, minimise it, or just drag the thread into endless circular argument. What is your end goal? To get people to accept it as normal?

    Again with the strawman. The goal is not stop distinguishing peoples actions based on their religion.
    Terrorist murder = terrorist murder.
    Child Abuse = child abuse.

    Doesnt matter if the perpetrators are wearing a burka, a swastika or a collar.


  • #315
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    biko wrote: »
    Is it possible IS-bots exist?

    all-is-well-nothing-to-see-here.jpg

    Is it possible that you could have an adult conversation and accept people have different opinions on things than you do?

    I know another group who don't like people to have opinions that differ from their own...


  • #316
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,325 ✭ [Deleted User]


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Are they worse or are they the same? Seems to me that the point has been they are the same.

    Then you start to treat all terrorist groups equally. You might prioritize some over others but that would be based on their impact, not the justification of their cause.

    Yea- But they are different.

    GreeBo wrote: »
    Child Abuse = child abuse.
    Doesnt matter if the perpetrators are wearing a burka, a swastika or a collar.

    First thing you've said that makes sense


  • #317
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I know another group who don't like people to have opinions that differ from their own...
    Antifa?
    BLM?
    Boards users in general?


  • #318
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    biko wrote: »
    Antifa?

    I would have said the ideological left generally but that works!


  • #319
    RandRuns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Are they worse or are they the same? Seems to me that the point has been they are the same.

    The IRA don't kill anyone any more though, islam does.

    GreeBo wrote: »
    Then you start to treat all terrorist groups equally. You might prioritize some over others but that would be based on their impact, not the justification of their cause.

    See above - since islamic terrorism has only continued to ramp up in recent decades (I know, I know, the number of victims doesn't matter) and IRA murders have stopped, why would you treat them equally? Should we put anti-terrorism resources into groups that have disbanded, just so you can achieve some kind of weird equality? Or is the real reason so that it takes the heat off islamic terrorism?

    GreeBo wrote: »
    Seriously? Have you read *any* of my posts? Where on earth do you get the idea that I want to ignore, excuse or minimise it?

    Because that is what you do constantly. You are trying to downplay islamic terrorism on this thread, and you are trying to downplay islamic mass rape on another one. It is clear to everyone who reads your posts.

    GreeBo wrote: »
    Posters like yourself constantly peddle out this narrative that by equating terrorists groups, we are minimising them...its completely made up. I have *constantly* and *repeatedly* denounced any and all terrorist groups, its basically been the entire point of my posts, something that seems to have passed you by somehow.

    Why would you try to "equate" them at all? Isn't it enough to condemn and discuss islamic terrorism without constantly trying to "equate" it with any other terrorism (with a far lower death toll)? It's like saying "Yeah cancer is bad, but what about shark attacks? It is deflection and minimisation - for what reason, only you can say.

    GreeBo wrote: »
    Again with the strawman. The goal is not stop distinguishing peoples actions based on their religion.
    Terrorist murder = terrorist murder.
    Child Abuse = child abuse.

    Doesnt matter if the perpetrators are wearing a burka, a swastika or a collar.

    It does, because the only way we will tackle it is to get to the root cause. People like you want to hide the root cause, for reason we can only guess at.


  • #320
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    RandRuns wrote: »
    The IRA don't kill anyone anymore though, islam does.
    Ah, time heals all wounds? Come back lads, all is forgiven?
    How do you feel about Hitler these days? Its positively AGES since he killed anyone.
    RandRuns wrote: »
    See above - since islamic terrorism has only continued to ramp up in recent decades (I know, I know, the number of victims doesn't matter) and IRA murders have stopped, why would you treat them equally? Should we put anti-terrorism resources into groups that have disbanded, just so you can achieve some kind of weird equality? Or is the real reason so that it takes the heat off islamic terrorism?
    See above.

    Note that I'm not in any way (and never have) said that you we should be putting the same number of resources into all terrorist groups, especially the ones that are now defunct. I'm saying that when equating them, they are all equal.

    As for "taking the heat off islamic terrorism"...what on earth are you talking about? Where have I given *any* indication that I want to take any heat off *any* terrorism? Seriously, stop peddling this crap.

    RandRuns wrote: »
    Because that is what you do constantly. You are trying to downplay islamic terrorism on this thread, and you are trying to downplay islamic mass rape on another one. It is clear to everyone who reads your posts.
    No its not. Its "clear" to anyone who has an agenda that is anti-muslim perhaps.

    All I have ever said is that this stuff isn't tied to religion and you can't tar a whole bunch of people with the same brush, based on their religious commonality.
    RandRuns wrote: »
    Why would you try to "equate" them at all? Isn't it enough to condemn and discuss islamic terrorism without constantly trying to "equate" it with any other terrorism (with a far lower death toll)? It's like saying "Yeah cancer is bad, but what about shark attacks? It is deflection and minimisation - for what reason, only you can say.
    I do condemn and discuss terrorism, I'm just not willing to get posters get away with Islamophobia or Xenophobia and someone pretending to themselves that any sort of terrorist is somehow worse than (for example) the IRA.
    RandRuns wrote: »
    It does, because the only way we will tackle it is to get to the root cause. People like you want to hide the root cause, for reason we can only guess at.

    Ok, so if the root of the problem is as simple as "Islam", whats you plan? Kill 'em all?

    Annoyingly for your argument, if Islam is the root cause, why do we have all these other murdering terrorist groups?
    Its like you want to lay all the blame for everything at the door of Islam, for reasons we can only guess at....


  • #321
    [Deleted User]
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    RandRuns wrote: »
    See above - since islamic terrorism has only continued to ramp up in recent decades (I know, I know, the number of victims doesn't matter) and IRA murders have stopped, why would you treat them equally? Should we put anti-terrorism resources into groups that have disbanded, just so you can achieve some kind of weird equality

    Republican terrorism is still a threat and we do put plenty of resources into anti terrorism units here.
    They haven't gone away you know!!


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  • #322
    RandRuns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Republican terrorism is still a threat and we do put plenty of resources into anti terrorism units here.
    They haven't gone away you know!!

    Good to see you've taken a break from "but others do it too" over on the muslim rape gangs thread to post the same here.

    You lads wouldn't happen to be mates, would you?
    Same NGO perhaps?


  • #323
    [Deleted User]
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    RandRuns wrote: »
    Good to see you've taken a break from "but others do it too" over on the muslim rape gangs thread to post the same here.

    You lads wouldn't happen to be mates, would you?
    Same NGO perhaps?

    Excuse me? I think you may be mixed up there.
    And I don't work for an NGO, what's your problem with them?

    I wouldn't like you to think that we don't police ALL terrorists here, we most certainly do.


  • #324
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,520 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    The quality of posting from numerous posters on here has gone so childish as to render any reply a waste of my time.
    You should be capable of maintaining an adult conversation with people who disagree with your opinions.


    Throw in some infantile memes/responses regarding terrorism and there is just no point in me continuing with this thread.

    Thanks to those who kept it civil and made it an interesting debate.

    /unfollow


  • #325
    RandRuns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    GreeBo wrote: »
    The quality of posting from numerous posters on here has gone so childish as to render any reply a waste of my time.

    Good Lord, you really have absolutely no self-awareness at all, do you?


  • #326
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    biko wrote: »
    Antifa?
    BLM?
    Boards users in general?

    Antifa is not a group


  • #327
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Antifa is not a group

    Well then they’re a **** load of individuals who all seem to think and act and dress alike just by pure coincidence.


  • #328
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The first two minutes describe Antifa perfectly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiqS8gPPB0


  • #329
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    If your free exercise of your religion requires that I follow it’s precepts, that is not freedom of religion; that is theocracy.


  • #330
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I'll take the knee for BLM when PL footballers are taking the knee for Samuel Paty


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  • #331
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭take everything


    I am cringing hard for GreeBo at this stage.

    Godwinning.
    Seeing in others what they can't see in themselves (basically projection).
    Little self awareness.

    It's like a parody of mental gymnastics.


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