Hundreds of Muslims gather to celebrate funeral of man who beheaded French teacher

biko · 13-12-2020 03:22PM

The IRA was built upon two ideas, nationalism and socialism. And so it is for FARC and the others, particularly ETA.

These days globalism is the biggest threat to many sovereign nations but you'll find that no-one is creating terror groups to combat globalism.

Well, Antifa did but they have now turned 180 degrees and are now for globalism.

Mods, I understand we are straying from the Chechen beheaded funeral topic but the guy is in the ground and as western journalists lose interest, so will the western public.

theballz · 13-12-2020 04:52PM

Islam is a serious problem that is going to get much worse.
It is not a religion of peace and will continually spread hate.

Call me racist all you like, I’ve read the Quran and I’ve studied many religions. I can say comfortably that Islam is evil and total ideology of hate and fear.

The worst part is, their is little or nothing we can do to stop it.

Banana Republic 1 · 13-12-2020 05:58PM

biko wrote: »

The IRA was built upon two ideas, nationalism and socialism. And so it is for FARC and the others, particularly ETA.

These days globalism is the biggest threat to many sovereign nations but you'll find that no-one is creating terror groups to combat globalism.

Well, Antifa did but they have now turned 180 degrees and are now for globalism.

Mods, I understand we are straying from the Chechen beheaded funeral topic but the guy is in the ground and as western journalists lose interest, so will the western public.

Antifa are not a group

GreeBo · 13-12-2020 06:04PM

RandRuns wrote: »

Hitler and Che Guevara were both murderers with facial hair, are they the same?

In the context of murderers with facial hair, yes they are.
It really depends on what exactly you are discussing.
For example, men and women are the same when talking about species, but they are not the same when talking about genders.

This thread is about terrorist groups who murder innocent people.

GreeBo · 13-12-2020 06:05PM

biko wrote: »

Wow, writing this I realise there has been a LOT of socialist terror groups around, not just IRA.

Yep, and they are all the same, groups of murdering bastards.

Banana Republic 1 · 13-12-2020 06:13PM

theballz wrote: »

Islam is a serious problem that is going to get much worse.
It is not a religion of peace and will continually spread hate.

Call me racist all you like, I’ve read the Quran and I’ve studied many religions. I can say comfortably that Islam is evil and total ideology of hate and fear.

The worst part is, their is little or nothing we can do to stop it.

There are white people who follow Islam just the same as there is African, Asian and Middle Eastern people who follow Christianity.Islam considers Jesus a prophet is he evil or what about the angel Gabriel . You say you’ve read the Quran, where on WhatsApp!

biko · 13-12-2020 07:23PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Yep, and they are all the same, groups of murdering bastards.

But how do we get the socialists to stop killing people?
How can you get young idiots with Che on their t-shirts to not glorify political murder?

jmreire · 13-12-2020 08:38PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Yep, and they are all the same, groups of murdering bastards.

(A) When a long suffering people decide to revolt and throw off the murderous shackles of a despotic regime, would you call them murdering bastards? Because that's what the British did not only here in Ireland, but in any Country they ruled. America, Kenya etc. All fought for their independence. And the Irish Republican Army were instrumental in getting rid of them. And in each case, in each Country, the method was the same: Revolution.

(B) Or put them on the same level of people who kill solely on the instructions of their God to kill the unbelievers??

(C) And in the here and now present time, how would you rate your chances of being killed by an IRA bomb, knife or bullWeet?, versus being killed by an Islamic terrorist in the same manner?

We will extrapolate a little bit further, closer to home. You are attacked in your own home, in the middle of the night by an armed robber, who threatens you and your family with violence, and indeed fires the gun, narrowly missing one of your family, just to impress you that he means business. You tackle him, and in the altercation, you manage to get the gun of him, and in the melee, shoot him dead. Does that make you a murderous bastard

13-12-2020 11:32PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Yep, and they are all the same, groups of murdering bastards.

Ah they're not though, are they.

jmreire · 14-12-2020 12:20AM

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Ah they're not though, are they.

Context is everything.....

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 12:48AM

RandRuns wrote: »

What Islamic countries have Sweden invaded? How many Muslims are Swedes responsible for killing?

Swedish troops have served on NATO, EU and UN missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Mali, Somalia, Yemen, UNTSO (Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Israel) and Western Sahara.

While Swedes may not have killed any Muslims, they have trained indiginous troops to do just that (Well AQ & ISIL). This has resulted in at least one confirmed Islamist terror attack in Sweden (2017), specifically motivated by Swedish troops training the Iraqi military.

Also, anyone who truely believes that terrorists are "all the same", have a limited understanding and very simplistic view of terrorism.

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 12:49AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Swedish troops have served on NATO, EU and UN missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Mali, Somalia, Yemen, UNTSO (Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Israel) and Western Sahara.

While Swedes may not have killed any Muslims, they have trained indiginous troops to do just that (Well AQ & ISIL). This has resulted in at least one confirmed Islamist terror attack in Sweden (2017), specifically motivated by Swedish troops training the Iraqi military.

So the attacks are justified then ??? Jesus Christ.

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 12:53AM

Gervais08 wrote: »

So the attacks are justified then ??? Jesus Christ.

Is that what I said? Or is that what you think I said?

CinemaGuy45 · 14-12-2020 12:56AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Swedish troops have served on NATO, EU and UN missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Mali, Somalia, Yemen, UNTSO (Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Israel) and Western Sahara.

While Swedes may not have killed any Muslims, they have trained indiginous troops to do just that (Well AQ & ISIL). This has resulted in at least one confirmed Islamist terror attack in Sweden (2017), specifically motivated by Swedish troops training the Iraqi military.

I posted once in this thread so far to stare what I though of the evil killer and those who defend that kind of scum.

I know you are replying to somebody else so this is not aimed at you.:)

However your post in the last in a series of posts that I have not read from many posters.

My question and my point is what has this line of conversation got to do with an innocent teacher being beheaded for showing a silly picture to kids?

We have shows like Father Ted and movies like the Life of Brian but everybody gets their knickers in a twist over this.

Beheading people because of it just makes it even more sure people will mock and reject the backward violent ideology.

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 12:57AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Is that what I said? Or is that what you think I said?

My apologies, I misread that. There’s been attempts at justification for attacks here.

Sorry.

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 12:59AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I posted once in this thread so far to stare what I though of the evil killer and those who defend that kind of scum.

I know you are replying to somebody else so this is not aimed at you.:)

However your post in the last in a series of posts that I have not read from many posters.

My question and my point is what has this line of conversation got to do with an innocent teacher being beheaded for showing a silly picture to kids?

We have shows like Father Ted and movies like the Life of Brian but everybody gets their knickers in a twist over this.

Beheading people because of it just makes it even more sure people will mock and reject the backward violent ideology.

I’m Catholic and I wet myself laughing still at the Life of Brian.

I’ve never wanted to shoot up the film production offices or attack dear Graham Chapman while he was alive.

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 01:00AM

Gervais08 wrote: »

My apologies, I misread that. There’s been attempts at justification for attacks here.

Sorry.

No apology required. I shouldnt have edited the post I was quoting, it lacked context.

jmreire · 14-12-2020 01:04AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Swedish troops have served on NATO, EU and UN missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Mali, Somalia, Yemen, UNTSO (Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Israel) and Western Sahara.

While Swedes may not have killed any Muslims, they have trained indiginous troops to do just that (Well AQ & ISIL). This has resulted in at least one confirmed Islamist terror attack in Sweden (2017), specifically motivated by Swedish troops training the Iraqi military.

Also, anyone who truely believes that terrorists are "all the same", have a limited understanding and very simplistic view of terrorism.

I met the Irish Troop's in Liberia, and they were on the Golan and in the past Lebanon...but what other Country's on your list were they in??

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 01:08AM

jmreire wrote: »

I met the Irish Troop's in Liberia, and they were on the Golan and in the past Lebanon...but what other Country's on your list were they in??

I had a pint with a young guy who was going to Chad but that was a couple of years back.

CinemaGuy45 · 14-12-2020 01:11AM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I’m Catholic and I wet myself laughing still at the Life of Brian.

I’ve never wanted to shoot up the film production offices or attack dear Graham Chapman while he was alive.

I could not even kill an animal never mind behead another innocent person.

I could not even bring myself to kill an evil beast that would do such a thing.

But he carried out this evil act because he wanted to strike the fear of God into all of us not to mock his phoney religion.

If we shy away from and bend over backwards from daring to speak against this evil for fear of offending this evil we give the terrorists what they want.

When an innocent person is killed for the so called sin of offending Islam millions of pictures like this should go up everywhere.
Killing innocent people should bring about the exact opposite of what they evil killers want.

Let the peaceful Muslims show their outrage at murder instead of a harmless cartoon.

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 01:17AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I posted once in this thread so far to stare what I though of the evil killer and those who defend that kind of scum.

I know you are replying to somebody else so this is not aimed at you.:)

However your post in the last in a series of posts that I have not read from many posters.

My question and my point is what has this line of conversation got to do with an innocent teacher being beheaded for showing a silly picture to kids?

We have shows like Father Ted and movies like the Life of Brian but everybody gets their knickers in a twist over this.

Beheading people because of it just makes it even more sure people will mock and reject the backward violent ideology.

Well, in simplistic terms it is about extremism and radicalisation.

Jihadist/Islamist extremism is transnational in nature. It transcends boundaries, borders and societies due to its ideology. It exists and is intermixed among moderate or peaceful Muslim communities.

To disrespect the Prophet is a serious offence to those of the Muslim faith with archaic extremist views, its sacred and must not go unpunished.

What is a "silly picture" to you and I, is a red line for some.

The issue is the regular calls by ISIL to believers in "the West", to conduct attacks against "non believers". A display of the Prophet and in this specific context of freedom of expression (from Mr. Paty) was enough to warrant the attack (in the attackers view)

Also, theres literally nothing stopping a Catholic extremist doing the same thing on seeing Father Ted and taking insult to it.

CinemaGuy45 · 14-12-2020 01:23AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Well, in simplistic terms it is about extremism and radicalisation.

Jihadist/Islamist extremism is transnational in nature. It transcends boundaries, borders and societies due to its ideology. It exists and is intermixed among moderate or peaceful Muslim communities.

To disrespect the Prophet is a serious offence to those of the Muslim faith with archaic extremist views, its sacred and must not go unpunished.

What is a "silly picture" to you and I, is a red line for some.

The issue is the regular calls by ISIL to believers in "the West", to conduct attacks against "non believers". A display of the Prophet and in this specific context of freedom of expression (from Mr. Paty) was enough to warrant the attack (in the attackers view)

Also, theres literally nothing stopping a Catholic extremist doing the same thing on seeing Father Ted and taking insult to it.

Killing innocent people is the red line for me.

How can people defend this kind of thing and then try to proclaim the moral high ground and condemn images and words?

There are many religions in the world some more silly than others but they do not murder non believers.

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 01:25AM

jmreire wrote: »

I met the Irish Troop's in Liberia, and they were on the Golan and in the past Lebanon...but what other Country's on your list were they in??

Still in Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Mali.

Previously in Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Kuwait...and a few more.

Was in Liberia in 05-06, were you there then?

CinemaGuy45 · 14-12-2020 01:28AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Also, theres literally nothing stopping a Catholic extremist doing the same thing on seeing Father Ted and taking insult to it.

This would be funny if the subject was not so serious.:(

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 01:32AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Killing innocent people is the red line for me.

How can people defend this kind of thing and then try to proclaim the moral high ground and condemn images and words?

There are many religions in the world some more silly than others but they do not murder non believers.

I agree but "Jihad" against non believers (including other Muslims) is encouraged in the Quran. These non believers are basically the followers of Satan, because we believe in a different "God"....and not Allah, we are non believers and legitimate targets.

CinemaGuy45 · 14-12-2020 01:39AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I agree but "Jihad" against non believers is encouraged in the Quran. These non believers are basically the followers of Satan, because we believe in a different "God"....and not Allah, we are non believers and legitimate targets.

I don't have the answers here and I will admit that.

I do know giving into the wishes of evil killers only shows that killing people gets them what they want.

Whatever happened to not giving into the demands of terrorists?

Banana Republic 1 · 14-12-2020 01:44AM

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

I agree but "Jihad" against non believers (including other Muslims) is encouraged in the Quran. These non believers are basically the followers of Satan, because we believe in a different "God"....and not Allah, we are non believers and legitimate targets.

Moronic statement. These terrorist cults kill far more fellow Muslims than any other grouping.

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 01:47AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Moronic statement. These terrorist cults kill far more fellow Muslims than any other grouping.

How is it moronic? It’s accurate!

Signore Fancy Pants · 14-12-2020 01:49AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Moronic statement. These terrorist cults kill far more fellow Muslims than any other grouping.

It's not a "moronic" statement and you should probably retract that part of your post, less you look moronic yourself.

I agree, they do kill far more Muslims (mainly because of their area of operations), there is absilutely no denying that.

To Jihadist/Islamist fundamentalists, we (the West) are legitimate targets because we dont believe what they believe.

Its factual, not moronic.

Also, the Crusades killed between 5-9 Million Muslims, I dont think ISIL has got that far yet.

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 01:51AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I don't have the answers here and I will admit that.

I do know giving into the wishes of evil killers only shows that killing people gets them what they want.

Whatever happened to not giving into the demands of terrorists?

After the Charlie Hebdo murders there was a social media campaign to show the cover - sadly I’m not sure you’d get as big a response as now.

There’s no two way equal respect. My club like many others have been taking the knee for months now. Yet the captain wore a rainbow armband this weekend and a picture was posted.

I noted the vilest homophobic abuse came from black countries (Kenya was the worst by far). How can you as a people demand respect and yet be so vile to another group ? And why is it never called out??

Hundreds of Muslims gather to celebrate funeral of man who beheaded French teacher

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