Eirgrid warns of power outages: what are the EV owners options for cooking the turkey

Calahonda52 · 11-12-2020 1:46pm #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1211/1183760-eirgrid-warning-outages/

So you have between 24 and say 90 kW sitting in the driveway.
What are the options to keep the lights on if there is a power cut?

Last time out I fed the web router from the 12v, with the car switched on, as I understand the 12v gets charged from the DC slab.
EV was blocked in by another car so no real risk of easy theft.

the_amazing_raisin · 11-12-2020 1:55pm

This baby:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07XZ6YMD6/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_FU20FbK01BBP6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

The Leaf can handle 135A on the DC-DC which gives you over 1600W

A 1500W inverted should be doable with the heating off. You could power a small oven like below off of this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B088989TGG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_BW20FbKRXA4J2

slave1 · 11-12-2020 2:01pm

Pure ESB whinging as usual, salary those guys are paid and all you hear is blah blah blah, pathetic EV charging Infrastructure and stupid everyday restrictions on PV generation capabilies

jusmeig · 11-12-2020 2:41pm

We discard a days worth of power each night, id get busy storing some of this in hydro/battery etc
It seems crazy we put in wind (and feck all commercial solar) and turn off peat plants, with no provision for storage for when the wind drops off or the sun does not shine (much)

Orebro · 11-12-2020 3:15pm

And we keep on giving planning permission for massive power hungry data centers that contribute nothing to the economy after they're built.

ted1 · 11-12-2020 3:29pm

slave1 wrote: »

Pure ESB whinging as usual, salary those guys are paid and all you hear is blah blah blah, pathetic EV charging Infrastructure and stupid everyday restrictions on PV generation capabilies

What whinging abs what salary are talking about It’s Eirgrid, not ESB.

ted1 · 11-12-2020 3:30pm

jusmeig wrote: »

We discard a days worth of power each night, id get busy storing some of this in hydro/battery etc
It seems crazy we put in wind (and feck all commercial solar) and turn off peat plants, with no provision for storage for when the wind drops off or the sun does not shine (much)

Commercial solar will be here in 2021

ted1 · 11-12-2020 3:31pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

This baby:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07XZ6YMD6/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_FU20FbK01BBP6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

The Leaf can handle 135A on the DC-DC which gives you over 1600W

A 1500W inverted should be doable with the heating off. You could power a small oven like below off of this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B088989TGG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_BW20FbKRXA4J2

Just be sure to isolate our house of the grid first

ELM327 · 11-12-2020 4:01pm

Literally just came here to post this, but i see I wasnt even nearly first.

How can we be in this situation?

the_amazing_raisin · 11-12-2020 4:18pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Literally just came here to post this, but i see I wasnt even nearly first.

How can we be in this situation?

It seems like they're being paranoid mostly, we'll only end up with power shortages if there's no wind and the UK isn't exporting for whatever reason, seems fairly unlikely

unkel · 11-12-2020 9:30pm

I have 3 options. Already tested during a power cut here in Lucan a few months ago. All were working.

1. I have a 600W pure sine wave inverter built into my car. Can't power a big oven for the turkey, but it can power most of the rest of the house. For a week or two :cool:
2. I have two 59V battery packs for my eBikes. And a 48-60V 2kW inverter. Can't power the oven for more than maybe an hour or two, but it's a good backup
3. My home attached power wall has an emergency socket wired to it that becomes active when the grid is down. It has a built in 3kW inverter. Plenty to power the oven, but my home attached battery is only about 4kWh, so enough only for a small turkey!

Ideally my car with its 85kWh battery would be connected to my power wall inverter via a smart two way charge point. I could not only cook my own turkey then, but all the turkeys for the rest of my street too

This technology is not available yet commercially, and if it takes a good while longer I will replace my car's 12V lead acid battery with a LiFePo4 one, that connects directly to my car's 2.5kW DC-DC converter. Will need a pure sine wave 5kW peak inverter to hook up to that too and they ain't cheap...

kanuseeme · 11-12-2020 9:55pm

Gas

unkel · 11-12-2020 10:15pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Gas

Banned

Patser · 11-12-2020 10:23pm

2 options I can think of:

A) 1 If you have new model leaf, put turkey in Turkey bag on engine.
2 Drive at 150 Kmh til battery almost gone
3 Plug into DC charger
4 Try drive at high speed again
5 Repeat until Turkey cooked

1 Sellotape turkey in very heavy cast iron base cooking tray
2 Put car on jack, with whatever drive wheels lifted off ground
3 Put turkey in tray upside down under wheel
4 Put car in drive and let friction do the rest - a Tesla AWD could cook 4 turkeys this way

the_amazing_raisin · 12-12-2020 10:10am

kanuseeme wrote: »

Gas

Maybe I'll dust off the charcoal barbecue, just in case

Actually, bbq turkey sounds worth freezing to death over, maybe I'll do that anyway

graememk · 12-12-2020 3:28pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Maybe I'll dust off the charcoal barbecue, just in case

Actually, bbq turkey sounds worth freezing to death over, maybe I'll do that anyway

I hear deep fried turkey is great. Usually cooked outside. And is done in about 5 minutes!

Stay away from frozen ones... They have the tendency to go up in a fireball

13-12-2020 1:30pm

We really need to consider Nuclear, I'm sure Microsoft, Google and Amazon are impressed with this with the power their Data Centres consume it's high time we seriously start banning future investment by these companies for Data Centres on our Island, both for environmental concerns, that being, serious energy consumption and mega light pollution from these facilities It's wrong when you hear birds singing all night around Microsoft's Mega Data centre in Grangecastle business park as the sky is lit up for miles in a white glow as the yanks are so paranoid about security.

The minimal jobs they provide for the size of the facilities can't be used as a reason to allow them to keep expanding causing massive pollution as they have to use Diesel generators to keep the lights on in Dublin, and you can be sure Google, Amazon use Diesel too, the Public, Politicians and Environmentalists are not aware of the real massive Environmental issues caused by these Data Centres, Microsoft will claim 100% powered by renewable energy which is pure horse ****e as they use a significant amount of Diesel just to stop the lights going out in west Dublin + they have to use whatever is on the grid at the time.

Ireland gets a raw deal from these Mega Data Centres, massive pollution as they consume biblical amounts of energy 24x7x365 + far too few jobs provided considering the scale of the facilities and even less permanent as they hire contractors + the Tax they pay is minuscule and can be written off in a lot of cases or a huge proportion of it.

Seriously, how much more Data Centres should we allow and should we not ban future expansion for environmental reasons alone ? what's the point shutting down a Peat Plant if you need to build more fossil fuel stations to power these Data Centres ? the less power on the grid the more filthy Diesel they have to use to keep the power on in Dublin so why bother shutting down the peat plants putting more strain on the grid when more Diesel has to be used for generation by the Data Centres ?

Just one server rack alone can consume 12 Kw......

ted1 · 13-12-2020 1:48pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We really need to consider Nuclear, I'm sure Microsoft, Google and Amazon are impressed with this with the power their Data Centres consume it's high time we seriously start banning future investment by these companies for Data Centres on our Island, both for environmental concerns, that being, serious energy consumption and mega light pollution from these facilities It's wrong when you hear birds singing all night around Microsoft's Mega Data centre in Grangecastle business park as the sky is lit up for miles in a white glow as the yanks are so paranoid about security.

The minimal jobs they provide for the size of the facilities can't be used as a reason to allow them to keep expanding causing massive pollution as they have to use Diesel generators to keep the lights on in Dublin, and you can be sure Google, Amazon use Diesel too, the Public, Politicians and Environmentalists are not aware of the real massive Environmental issues caused by these Data Centres, Microsoft will claim 100% powered by renewable energy which is pure horse ****e as they use a significant amount of Diesel just to stop the lights going out in west Dublin + they have to use whatever is on the grid at the time.

Ireland gets a raw deal from these Mega Data Centres, massive pollution as they consume biblical amounts of energy 24x7x365 + far too few jobs provided considering the scale of the facilities and even less permanent as they hire contractors + the Tax they pay is minuscule and can be written off in a lot of cases or a huge proportion of it.

Seriously, how much more Data Centres should we allow and should we not ban future expansion for environmental reasons alone ? what's the point shutting down a Peat Plant if you need to build more fossil fuel stations to power these Data Centres ? the less power on the grid the more filthy Diesel they have to use to keep the power on in Dublin so why bother shutting down the peat plants putting more strain on the grid when more Diesel has to be used for generation by the Data Centres ?

Just one server rack alone can consume 12 Kw......

That’s some no some nonsense

13-12-2020 1:50pm

ted1 wrote: »

That’s some no some nonsense

No it isn't take these Data Centres off the grid and we won't have as much of a supply issue or pollution.

ted1 · 13-12-2020 5:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No it isn't take these Data Centres off the grid and we won't have as much of a supply issue or pollution.

Our issue us that plants are in maintenance or experiencing operational issues.

TSOs conduct capacity planning and demand forecasts reports. They use these to decide how much generation we need and what to allow into the SPOT market. The data centres aren’t a surprise to EirGrid. There demand is known and catered for , very easy as it’s pretty static.

If we took them off the grid , we’d reduce the amount of generators bidding into the market. And guess what we’d still have issues with maintenance that was not done earlier in the year because of Covid and operational issues with other stations.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-12-2020 5:53pm

It's also worth mentioning we have several gas power plants that aren't operating, some of which are because they weren't able to supply energy cheap enough to compete with other sources

Kramer · 13-12-2020 6:25pm

ted1 wrote: »

And guess what we’d still have issues with maintenance that was not done earlier in the year because of Covid

Say what now? We could have had power cuts last week, because of Covid?
Is there nothing that can't be blamed on Covid?

Housing crisis = Covid.
Homelessness = Covid.
Sinn Fein = Covid.
Crap weather = Covid.

.

Imagine contemplating going for an electric vehicle, only to be met with actual power cuts, or the threat of power cuts :eek:. Waking up to the possibility of a dead car, a car needed for your 100km commute to work.

Imagine too how EV owners will be blamed for these power cuts. I can see it now, all the lobby groups for oil companies & ICE car dealers, lampooning electric cars for causing power cuts, in the middle of winer, in the middle of a global pandemic :eek:.

I expect Toyota will commission a new add campaign - "don't be stranded with no way to get to work - get one of our self charging electric cars".

It's looking like we can't even keep the lights on - we're going backwards

.

https://gript.ie/no-one-is-shouting-stop-as-the-greens-wreck-havoc-on-rural-communities/

That's better..........blame dopey & sleepy.........Eamon & co in the greens

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ted1 · 13-12-2020 9:06pm

Kramer wrote: »

Say what now? We could have had power cuts last week, because of Covid?
Is there nothing that can't be blamed on Covid?

Housing crisis = Covid.
Homelessness = Covid.
Sinn Fein = Covid.
Crap weather = Covid.

We haven’t had any power cuts.

But yes Covid was to blame for maintenance work being postponed and hence units not available last week.

Kramer · 13-12-2020 9:17pm

ted1 wrote: »

We haven’t had any power cuts.

I didn't say we had, there's a "could" in there :pac:.

ted1 wrote: »

But yes Covid was to blame for maintenance work being postponed and hence units not available last week.

Covid wasn't. Unpreparedness &/or bad management was.
It's critical infrastructure. Blaming Covid for this, almost 10 months in, is BS.

I say let's blame the greens

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the_amazing_raisin · 13-12-2020 9:37pm

Kramer wrote: »

Sinn Fein = Covid.

So are we blaming sinn fein for covid, or covid for sinn fein?

copeyhagen · 13-12-2020 9:44pm

ted1 wrote: »

Our issue us that plants are in maintenance or experiencing operational issues.

TSOs conduct capacity planning and demand forecasts reports. They use these to decide how much generation we need and what to allow into the SPOT market. The data centres aren’t a surprise to EirGrid. There demand is known and catered for , very easy as it’s pretty static.

If we took them off the grid , we’d reduce the amount of generators bidding into the market. And guess what we’d still have issues with maintenance that was not done earlier in the year because of Covid and operational issues with other stations.

in fairness it was only about 8 weeks that ESB Networks staff were stood down from Station maintenance.

a huge amount of the transmission network is 40-50 years old, but its a massive job to replace.

especially when theres so many wind farms being energised in last 2 years, which took priority (this is a good thing obv)

the_amazing_raisin · 13-12-2020 9:45pm

Kramer wrote: »

Covid wasn't. Unpreparedness &/or bad management was.
It's critical infrastructure. Blaming Covid for this, almost 10 months in, is BS.

I'd say you're partly right, the peat power stations were closing down long before covid. And moneypoint was broken for a good chunk of 2018 which ironically caused our co2 emissions to drop

I think it's pretty funny how people go on about wind being unreliable and yet there seems to be plenty of thermal power stations either breaking down or being shut down because they aren't economical to run

Also, Eirgrid bases their estimation of capacity on the current number of generators. We have several power stations currently sitting idle due to not having generation contracts. Eirgrid could simply give out a few more contracts to bring the idle stations back to a ready state if things are really looking that dire

Marlow · 13-12-2020 10:14pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Gas

Jup. Just cook the turkey in the campervan. Job done.

Honestly, power went for nearly 2k premises in the midlands today .. including my gaff. ETA for fix was 4 hours from when it went.

After an hour ... after I had turned the candles on in the kitchen/diningroom, so the other half and the little one at least had some light ... I was about to go outside, grab the camping trailer, bring it to the back of the house and fire up the 2.2kW LPG genset, that's in it .... but then the power came back

Either way .. said trailer has a 2.2kW genset ran on propane, an oven with rotisserie ran of propane, 2 ring cooker .. ran of propane and a propane outlet for a BBQ.

I think we'll be grand.

/M

13-12-2020 10:33pm

ted1 wrote: »

Our issue us that plants are in maintenance or experiencing operational issues.

TSOs conduct capacity planning and demand forecasts reports. They use these to decide how much generation we need and what to allow into the SPOT market. The data centres aren’t a surprise to EirGrid. There demand is known and catered for , very easy as it’s pretty static.

If we took them off the grid , we’d reduce the amount of generators bidding into the market. And guess what we’d still have issues with maintenance that was not done earlier in the year because of Covid and operational issues with other stations.

Indeed, that's why the firing up of Diesel generators is pre-planned, nice dirty electricity generation.

ted1 · 13-12-2020 10:36pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Indeed, that's why the firing up of Diesel generators is pre-planned, nice dirty electricity generation.

Most have gas generators as back up as opposed to diesel. Standard practice for places to have back up.

They’d run a minimal amount of time. More so for maintenance than any other reason

You are being a bit dramatic now, how often do you think they run?

13-12-2020 10:46pm

ted1 wrote: »

Most have gas generators as back up as opposed to diesel. Standard practice for places to have back up.

They’d run a minimal amount of time. More so for maintenance than any other reason

You are being a bit dramatic now, how often do you think they run?

I've never seen a gas generator in a Data Centre.......not for backup.

I'm not being dramatic, I know they run them for maintenance which in itself consumes a lot of Diesel but depending on the load on the grid they are required to take part of production off grid at different times of the day, not every day.

But the facts remain that these mega facilities are massive polluters and massive consumers of energy.

unkel · 13-12-2020 11:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

But the facts remain that these mega facilities are massive polluters and massive consumers of energy.

Glass half full / half empty. They are mass users of electricity and mass payers of same. We can speed up the install of giant Atlantic wind farms with the revenue we get from them. Best form of pay back is from guaranteed big users.

Isambard · 14-12-2020 12:14am

Patser wrote: »

2 options I can think of:

A) 1 If you have new model leaf, put turkey in Turkey bag on engine.
2 Drive at 150 Kmh til battery almost gone
3 Plug into DC charger
4 Try drive at high speed again
5 Repeat until Turkey cooked

1 Sellotape turkey in very heavy cast iron base cooking tray
2 Put car on jack, with whatever drive wheels lifted off ground
3 Put turkey in tray upside down under wheel
4 Put car in drive and let friction do the rest - a Tesla AWD could cook 4 turkeys this way

Sellotape wouldn’t do, try duck tape, might work for turkey

Marlow · 14-12-2020 12:56am

unkel wrote: »

Glass half full / half empty. They are mass users of electricity and mass payers of same. We can speed up the install of giant Atlantic wind farms with the revenue we get from them. Best form of pay back is from guaranteed big users.

Ah you know ... don't disenfranchise those who ensured, that no data centre would come to Athenry and ensure, that even those few jobs never would be created.

Literally . the objections to most of these data centres .. including Amazons new datacentre in the Dublin area literally were hinged on power consumption, when it was a 100% guaranteed paid for supply with 100%+ guarantee, that they'd make sure, that the supply was overspec'd ...and the excess paid for.

Eliminating a guaranteed income source for Eirgrid, too.

/M

TheRiverman · 14-12-2020 1:19am

ESB closed the peat burning Shannonbridge Power Station in Offaly on Friday December 11 and will close Lanesborough in Longford on December 18. I know it's a big debate , but the lack of planning in trying to use alternatives sources to fuel those stations has been abysmal by the ESB. They should have been doing something about it at least ten years ago. The Power Station that they closed in Shannonbridge was only built in the early 2000's.It was commissioned in 2004 and now they want to demolish it. Disgraceful on an appalling scale.

unkel · 14-12-2020 1:29am

TheRiverman wrote: »

ESB closed the peat burning Shannonbridge Power Station in Offaly on Friday December 11 and will close Lanesborough in Longford on December 18. I know it's a big debate , but the lack of planning in trying to use alternatives sources to fuel those stations has been abysmal by the ESB. They should have been doing something about it at least ten years ago. The Power Station that they closed in Shannonbridge was only built in the early 2000's.It was commissioned in 2004 and now they want to demolish it. Disgraceful on an appalling scale.

The only thing disgraceful on an appalling scale is that the ESB actually commissioned a peat burning plant in 2004. It beggars belief. They obviously had zero vision of climate change / pollution back then. Who was the CEO of the ESB at the time? Name and shame please.

3DataModem · 14-12-2020 5:45am

Orebro wrote: »

And we keep on giving planning permission for massive power hungry data centers that contribute nothing to the economy after they're built.

I was about to dispute this, but then googled and ... holy f**k.

"By 2028 data centres and other large users will consume 29 per cent of Ireland’s electricity, according to EirGrid, Ireland’s transmission system operator. Worldwide data centres consume about 2 per cent of electricity, a figure set to reach 8 per cent by 2030. Few countries, if any, will match Ireland’s level."

JohnC. · 14-12-2020 7:08am

How much lifting is "and other large users" doing there? Because that figure still doesn't tell us what the data centres are using.

ted1 · 14-12-2020 8:33am

TheRiverman wrote: »

ESB closed the peat burning Shannonbridge Power Station in Offaly on Friday December 11 and will close Lanesborough in Longford on December 18. I know it's a big debate , but the lack of planning in trying to use alternatives sources to fuel those stations has been abysmal by the ESB. They should have been doing something about it at least ten years ago. The Power Station that they closed in Shannonbridge was only built in the early 2000's.It was commissioned in 2004 and now they want to demolish it. Disgraceful on an appalling scale.

They were only small for plants and they did plenty Of the planning with regards other fuels. But these were refused permission:
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/esb-power-station-plans-refused-4736527-Jul2019/%3famp=1

14-12-2020 8:47am

unkel wrote: »

Glass half full / half empty. They are mass users of electricity and mass payers of same. We can speed up the install of giant Atlantic wind farms with the revenue we get from them. Best form of pay back is from guaranteed big users.

Or we could cut the amount of energy we consume, the big energy users like the Data Centres which provide few jobs and even less permanent as they reap the benefits of our more than generous tax credits, they contribute to the economy but it's tiny compared to their size, energy consumption and jobs provided.

Cutting and eliminating Data Centre expansion would greatly reduce pollution and consumption meaning less unsightly turbines needed and more power available for when more electric cars take to the road.

They can put the Data Centres in countries which have much greater green energy on the grid than we do in Ireland and where they have Nuclear power but the attraction here is they pay far less tax than they will in the rest of Europe.

Idbatterim · 14-12-2020 8:56am

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/stockholm-heat-data-centres

ted1 · 14-12-2020 9:23am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cutting and eliminating Data Centre expansion would greatly reduce pollution and consumption meaning less unsightly turbines needed and more power available for when more electric cars take to the road.

It doesn’t work like that cutting off 100MW data Center will also result in 100MW capacity being removed from the grid. So no extra power.

There’s plenty of power available, just last week was an exception as thermal plant wasn’t available.

*Posted from the phone using cloud storage hosted in a DC , on a website that is hosted in a DC.....

ELM327 · 14-12-2020 9:38am

I recently found a type 2 to 13a converter which would allow you to plug into a type2 SCP and connect a cooker or microwave at the end (you can even get a type2 to red plug for a 32a cooker). If your house is out but the SCP or FCP near to you have connection, then you could do that :P

kaahooters · 14-12-2020 10:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

Or we could cut the amount of energy we consume, the big energy users like the Data Centres which provide few jobs and even less permanent as they reap the benefits of our more than generous tax credits, they contribute to the economy but it's tiny compared to their size, energy consumption and jobs provided.

Cutting and eliminating Data Centre expansion would greatly reduce pollution and consumption meaning less unsightly turbines needed and more power available for when more electric cars take to the road.

They can put the Data Centres in countries which have much greater green energy on the grid than we do in Ireland and where they have Nuclear power but the attraction here is they pay far less tax than they will in the rest of Europe.

none of this information is how it works.

graememk · 14-12-2020 10:33am

ELM327 wrote: »

I recently found a type 2 to 13a converter which would allow you to plug into a type2 SCP and connect a cooker or microwave at the end (you can even get a type2 to red plug for a 32a cooker). If your house is out but the SCP or FCP near to you have connection, then you could do that :P

Wouldn't even need a red one, a 32amp blue would be fine...

Hmm that would be good for the 2.5kw power washer we have in the yard if I ever want to wash around the house.

unkel · 14-12-2020 10:46am

graememk wrote: »

Wouldn't even need a red one, a 32amp blue would be fine...

Hmm that would be good for the 2.5kw power washer we have in the yard if I ever want to wash around the house.

If only the charger in our cars was bi-directional. Power an appliance up to 7kW (or 22kW in some cases) straight from the car :cool:

That was the one cool thing about Sono motors. Are they still around? They had a desperate last chance funding round this time last year, but haven't heard from them since.

Marlow · 14-12-2020 12:08pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They can put the Data Centres in countries which have much greater green energy on the grid than we do in Ireland and where they have Nuclear power but the attraction here is they pay far less tax than they will in the rest of Europe.

So, what you are saying is, that we should kick the data centres out of Ireland, not have that tax income and the fee jobs they create at all, because Eirgrid is too lazy and can not be bothered to comply with green energy generation ?

Do you know how backwards that sounds ?

The problem is not datacentres. Removing the data centres is not the solution either.

The problem, disregardless of consumption, is Eirgrid and the power generation, that it utilizes. End of story. And the money data centres pay Eirgrid actually should help funding a change to greener energy. Without them, there would be less funds to do so.

/M

machiavellianme · 14-12-2020 12:10pm

jusmeig wrote: »

We discard a days worth of power each night, id get busy storing some of this in hydro/battery etc
It seems crazy we put in wind (and feck all commercial solar) and turn off peat plants, with no provision for storage for when the wind drops off or the sun does not shine (much)

Apart from the 100MW or so of batteries commissioned this year and 300MW expected by June 2021. Though the real answer is pumped storage as batteries last only an hour or 2 at best.

ted1 · 14-12-2020 12:32pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

Apart from the 100MW or so of batteries commissioned this year and 300MW expected by June 2021. Though the real answer is pumped storage as batteries last only an hour or 2 at best.

locations for storing pumped hydro is limited.
Hydrogen is an option that gaining quite a lot of traction

the_amazing_raisin · 14-12-2020 12:34pm

unkel wrote: »

If only the charger in our cars was bi-directional. Power an appliance up to 7kW (or 22kW in some cases) straight from the car :cool:

That was the one cool thing about Sono motors. Are they still around? They had a desperate last chance funding round this time last year, but haven't heard from them since.

We'll need to hope Eirgrid can hold out until those Hyundai E-GMP cars come out

Or just head out and pick up a Honda E

Marlow · 14-12-2020 12:40pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/stockholm-heat-data-centres

Central heating produced by utilities and piped to homes is very common in Scandinavian cities.

Generally it's produced using gas or oil, but wherever they can they use surplus heat consumption from power plants etc.

So that approach there is nothing new ... well .. to Scandinavia ... Ireland hasn't even grasped the very concept of central heat distribution in urban environments.

In Denmark there is a planning requirement on older houses, that they are forced to change to the city heating grid, when their oil boiler is beyond repair. That way many houses have been migrated over the last many decades.

/M

Eirgrid warns of power outages: what are the EV owners options for cooking the turkey

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