Irritating American names for things

smilerf · 04-12-2020 1:27pm

The difference with cnut is amazing. In Ireland it's not so harsh
You fat **** lazy **** etc but Americans go bat **** crazy like it's the worst word ever
I'm aware it's used at women there though

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 04-12-2020 1:40pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

I asked this before too. Take the World Series for example in Baseball. I was told that the name origins came from the newspaper that sponsored them in the late 1800's; it was called The World. It was a marketing gimmick basically. It spread from there. So it's nothing to do with thinking they're masters of the world or anything like that.

Baseball is also a professionally sport played in many countries around the world believe it or not, and they compete with each other every 3-4 years (can't remember how often). Apparently it's one of the most popular played sports ww.

That's not true though. The newspaper never sponsored it.

But yes, baseball is probably the most widespread sport to originate in the US. It's massive in much of Latin America and East Asia.

Hangdogroad · 04-12-2020 7:58pm

"How we roll" , ie how we do things.

Solely used by complete and utter cnunts.

boardise · 05-12-2020 2:44am

They mispronounce 'lingerie ' as 'lingeree' ...possibly influenced by 'negligee'.
Now,predictably, it is seeping into Irish usage as well.

Kaybaykwah · 05-12-2020 2:52am

boardise wrote: »

They mispronounce 'lingerie ' as 'lingeree' ...possibly influenced by 'negligee'.
Now,predictably, it is seeping into Irish usage as well.

Yes, that was a funny one for me growing up. They pronounce it "lawngeray" and that is totally unrelated to the French pronunciation.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-12-2020 8:19am

Ah now to be fair we're pretty bad at the oul pronunciation of fordn words ourselves. Not just by the general population either; it's also rife in the media, where many names are pronounced incorrectly in adverts. That shouldn't happen and is just sloppy.

Examples:

Car brands:
Lancia (should be Lanchya, not Lansya), Dacia (Dachya, not Dassia), Škoda (Shkoda, not Skoda). I'm not even going to mention Volkswagen.

The best one, though, is tagliatelle. The latest Supervalu ad has your man saying the "tag-lee-a-telly" instead of talyatel-leh.

There's no excuse for professionals doing this. What amazes me more is that the companies paying for these ads don't correct them.

So let's all take a look on our own doorstep first before dishing out the criticism.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2020 11:42am

Those are the easy ones. Impress your friends with your authentic Japanese pronunciation of Mazda. They honestly won't think your are some sort of idiot with a speech impediment. And don't forget to say Par ee (with that nasal intonation) instead of Paris.

Wibbs · 05-12-2020 11:57am

Thank christ I drive a Honda.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-12-2020 12:17pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Those are the easy ones. Impress your friends with your authentic Japanese pronunciation of Mazda. They honestly won't think your are some sort of idiot with a speech impediment. And don't forget to say Par ee (with that nasal intonation) instead of Paris.

Off topic useless info alert:
In the case of Mazda, its actual Japanese written name is the 3 katakana characters マツダ (ma-tsu-da), which phonetically reads the founder's surname, 松田 (which means "pine-tree rice paddy"). So that is the actual name of the company, but for the sake of international branding they simplified it to 2 syllables.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2020 12:24pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Off topic useless info alert:
In the case of Mazda, its actual Japanese written name is the 3 katakana characters マツダ (ma-tsu-da), which phonetically reads the founder's surname, 松田 (which means "pine-tree rice paddy"). So that is the actual name of the company, but for the sake of international branding they simplified it to 2 syllables.

And I anglicise the pronunciation of plenty of foreign words, and will expect the same by other English speakers, professional or otherwise. And should not expect to be condemned for doing it.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-12-2020 12:50pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And I anglicise the pronunciation of plenty of foreign words, and will expect the same by other English speakers, professional or otherwise. And should not expect to be condemned for doing it.

You can't deliberately anglicise a name that has not been modified by the company itself. Plenty of Irish people laughed at Trappatoni (and rightly so) for how he pronounced the name "Keogh" (kyog). He was f*ing working face-to-face with the guy and yet he didn't bother pronouncing his name correctly. It works both ways.

There is absolutely no reason why Dacia should be pronounced Dassia or Lancia Lansya by people paid to advertise it. So Americans pronouncing lingerie "longeray", or whatever way they pronounce it, is no worse than Irish saying we're having "taglyatelly" for dinner.

The US pronounce oregano the correct way. We don't.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2020 1:24pm

Orégano came into English from Spanish. It has earlier roots in other languages. The accent on the e changes the pronunciation stress from the second last syllable to the second syllable, and this is closer to the American than the British pronunciation. Without accents on letters, Spanish words always stress the second last syllable in pronunciation. That might explain the British pronunciation.

Neither of the English pronunciations are incorrect, both are standard. This is recognised/recognized by English dictionaries.

Explaining pronunciations in writing is not advisable. Among the thousands of people reading Dacia/Dassia, there could be a few coming up with pronunciations you wouldn't expect.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-12-2020 1:41pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Orégano came into English from Spanish. It has earlier roots in other languages. The accent on the e changes the pronunciation stress from the second last syllable to the second syllable, and this is closer to the American than the British pronunciation. Without accents on letters, Spanish words always stress the second last syllable in pronunciation. That might explain the British pronunciation.

Neither of the English pronunciations are incorrect, both are standard. This is recognised/recognized by English dictionaries.

Recognised, but the US version is more correct. The British version has become accepted because that's how it's evolved through centuries in which education was not as easy as it is now.

Not all Spanish words without accents have stress on the final.syllable. words ending in n or l have it on the last syllable, but that's neither here nor there.

Explaining pronunciations in writing is not advisable. Among the thousands of people reading Dacia/Dassia, there could be a few coming up with pronunciations you wouldn't expect.

None of which would be correct. There is only one correct.

What this thread is really doing is highlighting what a nation of ignorant hypocrits we Irish really are.

Wibbs · 05-12-2020 1:55pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

None of which would be correct. There is only one correct.

Jawohl, mein language fuhrer! Pity you miss the part where in languages, correct tends not to last too long and varies depending on time and place and even within the same culture and language.

What this thread is really doing is highlighting what a nation of ignorant hypocrits we Irish really are.

Pack your hair shirts guys, we're going on the usual guilt trip. The Irish are the gormless fools apparently. No other peoples mangle or rather adapt non native words. I do wish this lack of self esteem in the Irish psyche would kindly fuck/fook/fock right off. It's getting damned irritating and banal at this stage.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2020 2:00pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

What this thread is really doing is highlighting what a nation of ignorant hypocrits we Irish really are.

Your non-standard spelling of hypocrite might gain currency, and make it to the dictionary in future. That is one of the ways the language can evolve. It is nothing to do with ignorance.

Wibbs · 05-12-2020 2:16pm

They seem to have forgotten what they wrote earlier.

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Exactly. All languages have regional variations (e.g. European v South American Portuguese and Spanish, Germany German vs Swiss German, French v Canadian French, etc.). There's no right or wrong. Brazilian Portuguese has some very marked grammar differences to that spoken in Portugal, but it's still considered correct.

But let's regurgitate the Irish(in some) lack of self confidence.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-12-2020 2:20pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Jawohl, mein language fuhrer! Pity you miss the part where in languages, correct tends not to last too long and varies depending on time and place and even within the same culture and language.

Pack your hair shirts guys, we're going on the usual guilt trip. The Irish are the gormless fools apparently. No other peoples mangle or rather adapt non native words. I do wish this lack of self esteem in the Irish psyche would kindly fuck/fook/fock right off. It's getting damned irritating and banal at this stage.

It's not just an Irish thing, but we tend to think that everyone else is wrong and we're right. The same way we slag off the Brits for being biased when we're every bit so. What I said had nothing to do with lack of self-esteem. Quite the contrary.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-12-2020 2:24pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Your non-standard spelling of hypocrite might gain currency, and make it to the dictionary in future. That is one of the ways the language can evolve. It is nothing to do with ignorance.

Guilty, your Honour. I need to rely more on autocorrect in future. I make you that promise.

Wibbs wrote: »

They seem to have forgotten what they wrote earlier.

Originally Posted by Gaoth Laidir View Post
Exactly. All languages have regional variations (e.g. European v South American Portuguese and Spanish, Germany German vs Swiss German, French v Canadian French, etc.). There's no right or wrong. Brazilian Portuguese has some very marked grammar differences to that spoken in Portugal, but it's still considered correct.

But let's regurgitate the Irish(in some) lack of self confidence.

You need to take a look again. I was talking about regional variations, dialects, etc. of the same language there. My point today is to do with our attitude to other languages. Again, we're not unique in this, but we're wrong in thinking we're not guilty. That's my point.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2020 2:47pm

Here are some more foreign words to amuse your friends, when you have finished explaining Lancia and Dacia.

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 2:56pm

As long as Turkey Trot doesn't come in here I don't mind the rest

Randy Archer · 05-12-2020 3:00pm

Hangdogroad wrote: »

"How we roll" , ie how we do things.

Solely used by complete and utter cnunts.

Well, most of them are fat, so, it’s probably easier for them to roll than actually use more energy to walk or run

Ra ra ra

trashcan · 05-12-2020 5:30pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

"Call out" which started as an Americanism - challenge/attack/highlight but please don't call out unless you need a tradesman.

Oh yes yes yes. I’m heartily sick of this phrase. Please, someone, make it stop.

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 7:43pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Pack your hair shirts guys, we're going on the usual guilt trip. The Irish are the gormless fools apparently. No other peoples mangle or rather adapt non native words. I do wish this lack of self esteem in the Irish psyche would kindly fuck/fook/fock right off. It's getting damned irritating and banal at this stage.

Getting a wee bit sensitive there are we, Wibbs? :-p We have to take it if we're going to give it.

I don't think it's true at all to say no other people mangle or adapt non-native words. In fact that's the most baffling statement of all, which is strange especially coming from you as you seem fairly intelligent, more than most. Have you ever lived abroad, do you mind me asking?

Wibbs · 05-12-2020 8:12pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Getting a wee bit sensitive there are we, Wibbs? :-p We have to take it if we're going to give it.

Your reading comprehension needs some work.

I don't think it's true at all to say no other people mangle or adapt non-native words. In fact that's the most baffling statement of all,

see above. Both my sentences mean the opposite of what you think.

which is strange especially coming from you as you seem fairly intelligent, more than most.

Damned by faint praise.

Have you ever lived abroad, do you mind me asking?

Yes and yes.

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 8:16pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Your reading comprehension needs some work.

see above. Both my sentences mean the opposite of what you think.

Damned by faint praise.

Yes and yes.

So it's not my reading comprehension that needs work, it's your writing ability? That's grand if you mean the opposite of what you're conveying.

When and where have you lived abroad? How long? I'm actually interested if you don't mind me asking.

Wibbs · 05-12-2020 8:35pm

I do, so no.

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 8:40pm

One I did like is the "Associate Degree"

I arrived in America and suddenly discovered I had a degree which was great

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 9:40pm

Pasteur. wrote: »

One I did like is the "Associate Degree"

I arrived in America and suddenly discovered I had a degree which was great

How did you suddenly have an associate's degree from an accredited institution recognised in the US? Or are you just assuming you studied something for 2 years in Ireland so now you can say it's an associates degree? That's not how it works...

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 9:42pm

Wibbs wrote: »

I do, so no.

Why is that?

blackbox · 05-12-2020 9:48pm

Pasteur. wrote: »

One I did like is the "Associate Degree"

I arrived in America and suddenly discovered I had a degree which was great

What's an associate degree?

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 9:52pm

blackbox wrote: »

What's an associate degree?

I had a 2 year national certificate here, never opened a book in my life lol

Anyways the people doing my CV in USA deem this an associate degree

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 10:01pm

Pasteur. wrote: »

I had a 2 year national certificate here, never opened a book in my life lol

Anyways the people doing my CV in USA deem this an associate degree

What people, recruiters? They may say it's equivalent to, but that doesn't make it an associates degree. Probably trying to get you hired and get their cut? LOL.

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:02pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

How did you suddenly have an associate's degree from an accredited institution recognised in the US? Or are you just assuming you studied something for 2 years in Ireland so now you can say it's an associates degree? That's not how it works...

Actually a lot of national certs here are officially deemed associate degrees in the US.

US employers don't look at associate degrees as the same as anything we would CALL a degree here though.

When they say 2 yrs ..its mostly 2 years part time.

They are offered by community colleges only for the most part. Its a way for them to make money.

They are low value on a c.v though.

There are a few exceptions to this. Many nurses in the US for example only have a 2 year associate degree.

What people, recruiters? They may say it's equivalent to, but that doesn't make it an associates degree.

No ..basically a college here ...gets somewhere in the us ..to accredit it. Or there is an international framework ...of credits ....that the course is a part of ...

NFQ Level 6 is an Associate Degree equivalent programme. So if your course gave you that ...then its deemed equivalent.

I have a honors bachelors degree ..so i have NFQ level 8...or something.

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 10:08pm

I didn't query it

Means fuKk all anyhow, most of the smartest people I know are not.really into study that much

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:11pm

Pasteur. wrote: »

I didn't query it

Means fuKk all anyhow, most of the smartest people I know are not.really into study that much

I agree.

But the attitude of having to call everything a 'degree' is the height of intellectual snobbery and insecurity.

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 10:15pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I agree.

But the attitude of having to call everything a 'degree' is the height of intellectual snobbery and insecurity.

Well that's the American way

Talk things up

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:18pm

Pasteur. wrote: »

Well that's the American way

Talk things up

I hope i never become like this.

Spanish Eyes · 05-12-2020 10:20pm

Erbs for herbs. over and out.

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 10:26pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Erbs for herbs. over and out.

That doesn't sound American

Sounds like some English dialect or something

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 10:28pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Actually a lot of national certs here are officially deemed associate degrees in the US.

US employers don't look at associate degrees as the same as anything we would CALL a degree here though.

When they say 2 yrs ..its mostly 2 years part time.

They are offered by community colleges only for the most part. Its a way for them to make money.

They are low value on a c.v though.

There are a few exceptions to this. Many nurses in the US for example only have a 2 year associate degree.

No ..basically a college here ...gets somewhere in the us ..to accredit it. Or there is an international framework ...of credits ....that the course is a part of ...

NFQ Level 6 is an Associate Degree equivalent programme. So if your course gave you that ...then its deemed equivalent.

I have a honors bachelors degree ..so i have NFQ level 8...or something.

Sorry, what experience do you have to say what US employers look at, and what degrees here are accepted in the US?

Community colleges offer what we would call trade school certificates, diploma's, degrees, and a pathway into University (usually State) much like our QQI-FET route to Uni.

Pasteur. · 05-12-2020 10:29pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Sorry, what experience do you have to say what US employers look at, and what degrees here are accepted in the US?

Community colleges offer what we would call trade school certificates, diploma's, degrees, and a pathway into University (usually State) much like our QQI-FET route to Uni.

You seem to be a bit of a twat

Maybe give it a rest

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:30pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Sorry, what experience do you have to say what US employers look at, and what degrees here are accepted in the US?

.

Like most irish people...quite a bit actually.

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 10:32pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Like most irish people...quite a bit actually.

Like most Irish people...? You're going to have to spell that one out. You're talking a nonsense.

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:33pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Like most Irish people...? You're going to have to spell that one out. You're talking a nonsense.

Really

Erm immigrant nation?? ring a bell?

Like many many irish people i have had employers from america have a goo at my c.v. And i didn't have an agency give me advice.

I have a normal B.A ...also another qualification that wouldn't be called a degree here but would be an associates degree in the states.

I was told it wouldn't be considered the same as a four year degree though by most employers.

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 10:36pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Really

Erm immigrant nation?? ring a bell?

So most Irish people are immigrants to America, and so are you? Right... so that's the direct experience you have that leads to speaking as if you know about what American's do or don't do as regards to degrees?

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:38pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

So most Irish people are immigrants to America, and so are you? Right... so that's the direct experience you have that leads to speaking as if you know about what American's do or don't do as regards to degrees?

read the rest of my post.

Its no secret many irish people have spent time working the states.

You would have to live under a rock to not know this. Many of us have worked there or have family who did.

There are american agencies who help irish people get documents together and even c.vs etc.

You seem to be taking this conversation overly seriously.

Have you done one of these 2 year 'degrees'

They are not considered degrees here.

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 10:41pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

read the rest of my post.

Its no secret many irish people have spent time working the states.

You would have to live under a rock to not know this. Many of us have worked there or have family who did.

There are american agencies who help irish people get documents together and even c.vs etc.

You're ridiculous now. I quoted the entire post you made, before you edited it, which is what I responded to. So if you have to be disingenuous and say "read the rest of my post" when you know that you edited it, then you don't have a point.

You said most Irish people, because we're a nation of Immigrants and that should ring a bell. Ridiculous statement to make.

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:44pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

You said most Irish people, because we're a nation of Immigrants and that should ring a bell. Ridiculous statement to make.

That is a ridiculous statement to make ?????
Its a true statement ...im baffled. Are you not Irish then?

Many Irish people have worked in the States ...that should not be news to you.

You're ridiculous now. I quoted the entire post you made, before you edited it, which is what I responded to. So if you have to be disingenuous and say "read the rest of my post" when you know that you edited it, then you don't have a point.

Yes ...erm i edited it ..then asked you to re read it.

Many Irish people have gone to agencies that specialize in helping immigrants with c.vs aimed at the american employer. That should not be news to you.

State of you have you DONE of these 'associate degrees '??

My understanding is they are way over priced anyway.

Stateofyou · 05-12-2020 10:48pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is a ridiculous statement to make ?????
Its a true statement ...im baffled. Are you not Irish then?

Yes ...erm i edited it ..then asked you to re read it.

Many Irish people have gone to agencies that specialize in helping immigrants with c.vs aimed at the american employer. That should not be news to you.

Yes, I can see you're baffled and waffling and deflecting.

I am Irish but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is not a true statement you made saying that most Irish people have direct experience (living/working) with the US. And then when I questioned that you said because we're a nation of immigrants and asked if that rang any bells.
You don't seem to have a logical point here.

Now you say many Irish have... changing from your first position of saying most. That says it all.

ILoveYourVibes · 05-12-2020 10:55pm

Stateofyou wrote: »

Yes, I can see you're baffled and waffling and deflecting.

I am Irish but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is not a true statement you made saying that most Irish people have direct experience (living/working) with the US. And then when I questioned that you said because we're a nation of immigrants and asked if that rang any bells.
You don't seem to have a logical point here.

Now you say many Irish have... changing from your first position of saying most. That says it all.

You are going way out on a tangent here.

The original comment was it was annoying that americans call qualifications degrees that we do not.

Someone said he learnt he had gone to the states and said he was surprised to learn he had a degree.

You said it didn't work like that.

He and I have said we have direct experience of it being JUST like that.

Obv we HAVE worked in the states.

you are the one going on about most irish people etc and derailing the thread.

None of what you are saying is relevant to that point.

You picking apart various posts also is not relevant to that point.

Yes it does work like that. Some qualifications here ..are considered associate degrees in the states.

NFQ level 6 is an associates degree . Or the equivalent to one.

Irritating American names for things

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