General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

pjohnson · 04-12-2020 07:30PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ibrox disaster in January
Munich disaster in February
Burnden Park disaster in March
Hillsborough disaster in April
Estradiol Nacional disaster in May
Puerto disaster in June
Kolkata stampede in August

I'm sure been few more in other months.

So when would it suit a person like you for them to make a announcement so you wont be "offended"?

After that reach obviously never

~Rebel~ · 04-12-2020 07:39PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh, I’m at the stage where I’d be ok with the club really struggling badly if it meant new owners. Even a relagation battle or relegation would be fine with me if they f**ked off, that’s how bad I think they are. The fans get no benefits to them being able to market the club well. I know people will say I’m mad but what’s madder is that our own fans know even if Poch came in they’d undermine him just as we start looking like we might make a challange for the league and he’d be gone in 3 years.

When you have owners that are so disinterested in winning it permeates throughout the club. The apathy they show to the clubs failures on field is difficult to fathom. Any other business would look at players transfers and wages (clubs biggest expenditure) and make radical changes after considering the return on this investment part of the business. But not our owners, they don’t care once they get paid. United cannot return to being a top club while those at the top take such a toxic approach to on field targets.

Players contracts are extending to retain their market book value. Players are signed out of convenience. While the club might of wanted pogba, it’s no coincidence the clubs most expensive signing ever was also one of the most marketable at the time he was bought. When areas need to be addressed within the squad it takes years before they act. The fascination with youth (retain/grow value of players) leaves us in a perpetual state of building a squad. There is no hope that anything will change at the club unless they get lucky or they sell up or they decide to actually pay attention to the football side and get in people who know what they are doing.

God, I really f**king hate them and clueless Ed. Experts in failure on field but making money from their clubs off it so they won’t be gone anytime soon.

Obviously the Glazer's stop yee from being the absolute financial powerhouse yee should be if not for servicing debt lumped on by them - but from the outside Ed Woodward looks the bigger problem.

Even though the Glazers don't funnel all the money back into the club, there is still more than enough money there to be competitive. Plenty is spent on transfers, and tonnes are spent on wages... it's just been spent fairly poorly over the past 5+ years. So it looks like the companies decision making of what to do with the money is the problem even moreso than the ownership. Which of course comes down to the owners choices, but it's Ed's decisions that make life tougher for your managers. A better head of the company would have better recruitment staff, and better heads of departments.

And it's a lot easier to get rid of Ed than the owners, or at least to bring in someone under him to manage the footballing aspects.

04-12-2020 07:48PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ibrox disaster in January
Munich disaster in February
Burnden Park disaster in March
Hillsborough disaster in April
Estradiol Nacional disaster in May
Puerto disaster in June
Kolkata stampede in August

I'm sure been few more in other months.

So when would it suit a person like you for them to make a announcement so you wont be "offended"?

I'm not offended. I merely noted the timing was unfortunate as the Ibrox Disaster is getting some coverage again.

Anyway, I thought you were amused/dismissive. You now seem to want to engage about every disaster you can google. You're being a little facetious with the question, aren't you?

citytillidie · 04-12-2020 07:54PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is there anyway you can watch one off games on Amazon Prime or do you have to join up for the month ,

You may join for the month there is 3 Liverpool games on it in December

04-12-2020 08:01PM

Do you still need to change the location to UK for Prime to work over here? For the PL games..

JPA · 04-12-2020 08:07PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is there anyway you can watch one off games on Amazon Prime or do you have to join up for the month ,

You might get a free one month trial. But it's only 7.99.

citytillidie · 04-12-2020 08:11PM

6 wrote: »

Do you still need to change the location to UK for Prime to work over here? For the PL games..

I would say so, there was a big twitter thread recently about Amazon not showing that Autumn nations cup thing in Northern Ireland as it did not have the rights for Ireland as it is on Premier Sports

~Rebel~ · 04-12-2020 08:15PM

JPA wrote: »

You might get a free one month trial. But it's only 7.99.

And if ya do have to pay, if ever there's a month to do it for it's December, with the free delivery on bits of christmas shopping.

The_Kew_Tour · 04-12-2020 08:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not offended. I merely noted the timing was unfortunate as the Ibrox Disaster is getting some coverage again.

Anyway, I thought you were amused/dismissive. You now seem to want to engage about every disaster you can google. You're being a little facetious with the question, aren't you?

So why bring it up? Don’t worry going by your history you’re well able google too. FA cup semi final v Crystal Palace comes to mind;)

04-12-2020 08:53PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So why bring it up? Don’t worry going by your history you’re well able google too. FA cup semi final v Crystal Palace comes to mind;)

From the initial sniggers, I see you've moved from Googling other disasters to checking my history and something about Crystal Palace in the Cup.

I think I actually prefer the sniggering you to the getting upset and intense you...

The_Kew_Tour · 04-12-2020 08:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

From the initial sniggers, I see you've moved from Googling other disasters to checking my history and something about Crystal Palace in the Cup.

I think I actually prefer the sniggering you to the getting upset and intense you...

I haven’t moved anything.

You brought up something that has sweet FA relevance to the topic in hand.

I’m laughing at you yes. It’s pathetic why you brought it up. It’s not your first time doing it that’s all. I just pointed that out.

But if you think I’m upset fair enough:pac:

04-12-2020 09:14PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I haven’t moved anything.

You brought up something that has sweet FA relevance to the topic in hand.

I’m laughing at you yes. It’s pathetic why you brought it up. It’s not your first time doing it that’s all. I just pointed that out.

But if you think I’m upset fair enough:pac:

You're getting more personal and intense. You obviously are upset.

There was a post about the reintroduction of standing areas in a ground. I merely noted that the 50th anniversary of the Ibrox Disaster, where 66 died of asphyxiation and suffocation is imminent. I see a connection, you may not.

The_Kew_Tour · 04-12-2020 09:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're getting more personal and intense. You obviously are upset.

There was a post about the reintroduction of standing areas in a ground. I merely noted that the 50th anniversary of the Ibrox Disaster, where 66 died of asphyxiation and suffocation is imminent. I see a connection, you may not.

Ya sure you do :pac:

Demosthenese · 04-12-2020 09:27PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh, I’m at the stage where I’d be ok with the club really struggling badly if it meant new owners. Even a relagation battle or relegation would be fine with me if they f**ked off, that’s how bad I think they are. The fans get no benefits to them being able to market the club well. I know people will say I’m mad but what’s madder is that our own fans know even if Poch came in they’d undermine him just as we start looking like we might make a challange for the league and he’d be gone in 3 years.

When you have owners that are so disinterested in winning it permeates throughout the club. The apathy they show to the clubs failures on field is difficult to fathom. Any other business would look at players transfers and wages (clubs biggest expenditure) and make radical changes after considering the return on this investment part of the business. But not our owners, they don’t care once they get paid. United cannot return to being a top club while those at the top take such a toxic approach to on field targets.

Players contracts are extending to retain their market book value. Players are signed out of convenience. While the club might of wanted pogba, it’s no coincidence the clubs most expensive signing ever was also one of the most marketable at the time he was bought. When areas need to be addressed within the squad it takes years before they act. The fascination with youth (retain/grow value of players) leaves us in a perpetual state of building a squad. There is no hope that anything will change at the club unless they get lucky or they sell up or they decide to actually pay attention to the football side and get in people who know what they are doing.

God, I really f**king hate them and clueless Ed. Experts in failure on field but making money from their clubs off it so they won’t be gone anytime soon.

You wouldn't be happy with new owners if it ment struggling more than now. All United supporters wax lyrical about wanting it. But in reality you all secretly believe Ole will turn the tides and all will be well.

United will always be on the peripheral of success, within touching distance of being a big team again and that's what keeps the Glaziers happy and fans from defecting. They still invest. They still keep just low enough below expectation that it could change. Brilliant ownership. If not exceptional.

Ed is not a failure.... He's a perfect fit for the circumstance that is.

Shanotheslayer · 05-12-2020 02:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There was a post about the reintroduction of standing areas in a ground. I merely noted that the 50th anniversary of the Ibrox Disaster, where 66 died of asphyxiation and suffocation is imminent. I see a connection, you may not.

You still never acknowledged when would be a good time to announce it tbf

Girly Gal · 05-12-2020 06:41AM

Demosthenese wrote: »

You wouldn't be happy with new owners if it ment struggling more than now. All United supporters wax lyrical about wanting it. But in reality you all secretly believe Ole will turn the tides and all will be well.

United will always be on the peripheral of success, within touching distance of being a big team again and that's what keeps the Glaziers happy and fans from defecting. They still invest. They still keep just low enough below expectation that it could change. Brilliant ownership. If not exceptional.

Ed is not a failure.... He's a perfect fit for the circumstance that is.

United have invested more than most teams, pay more than most teams so it's only bad management both on and off field that's keeping them from challenging for major honours. If United were more successful the club would make even more money. It really wouldn't take much for United to be completing for major honours again. As badly mismanaged as they are, they are still on the periphery of challenging for major honours, but, unlikely to win any. Obviously the likes of Woodward would need to be replaced and a high level manager installed. They need to change their player recruitment policy, at the moment they are overpaying for average players and compounding this by overpaying the same average players.By changing their recruitment policy and pay structure they would compete better and from a financial viewpoint it probably wouldn't cost them anymore than what it's costing them at the moment.

05-12-2020 07:51AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

You still never acknowledged when would be a good time to announce it tbf

Not sure about good times, guess the 15th April would be worse. Suspect Hillsborough registers more than Ibrox.

internelligent · 05-12-2020 08:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not sure about good times, guess the 15th April would be worse. Suspect Hillsborough registers more than Ibrox.

Pretty confident you wouldn't be sure, and that was the whole point. It's also clear you'd like to inflame the situation. Hillsborough was more recent, that's it.

05-12-2020 08:39AM

internelligent wrote: »

Pretty confident you wouldn't be sure...

I'm certain someone would mention it...

doc_17 · 05-12-2020 09:17AM

6 wrote: »

Do you still need to change the location to UK for Prime to work over here? For the PL games..

I think there are better ways to watch it here? Aren’t the Amazon PL games on Premier Sports in Ireland? And even then there are better ways....

05-12-2020 09:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not offended. I merely noted the timing was unfortunate as the Ibrox Disaster is getting some coverage again.

Anyway, I thought you were amused/dismissive. You now seem to want to engage about every disaster you can google. You're being a little facetious with the question, aren't you?

The poster must not be great at Googling.

They left out Bradford City

Why do people always seem to forget Bradford City ?

11th May 1985 by the way.

05-12-2020 10:08AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The poster must not be great at Googling.

They left out Bradford City

Why do people always seem to forget Bradford City ?

11th May 1985 by the way.

Because it was a fire. And it was in a seated area. It wasn't crush related like Ibrox and Hillsborough.

gimli2112 · 05-12-2020 10:56AM

Dalglish was at Ibrox, Hillsborough and Heysel the day of the tragedies. There was probably a fair few at the latter two because they weren't that far apart but to be at Ibrox as well is some coincidence.

Bradford was truly shocking too, it just made no sense so many people could die out in the open from a fire. The panic must have been unreal.

05-12-2020 11:19AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Dalglish was at Ibrox, Hillsborough and Heysel the day of the tragedies. There was probably a fair few at the latter two because they weren't that far apart but to be at Ibrox as well is some coincidence.

It's pretty extraordinary alright, as stoic as he always seemed you'd think it would have to have some traumatic effect on him.

One that is often forgotten is the death of Ian Hambridge when a wall collapsed during a riot between Leeds and Birmingham fans on the same day as the Bradford fire.

adaminho · 05-12-2020 11:46AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The poster must not be great at Googling.

They left out Bradford City

Why do people always seem to forget Bradford City ?

11th May 1985 by the way.

It was Guess the year on Classic Hits during the week. They played a clip of the commentary from it.

eigrod · 05-12-2020 12:33PM

Cracking goal by Robbie Brady with his right foot. Pickford poor again. 1-0 Burnley

Agent Coulson · 05-12-2020 12:58PM

Delph done his hamstring.

kowloonkev · 05-12-2020 01:17PM

Burnley look like they're back to their best. Bad news for Sheffield United, West Brom and Fulham.

Shanotheslayer · 05-12-2020 01:26PM

1-1 HT.

DCL run continues

05-12-2020 01:30PM

Evenly matched teams. Both are probably in false positions in the league's tbf. Everton overachieving and Burnley underachieving.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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