Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

eigrod · 04-12-2020 07:17PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

6 deaths, 265 cases.

The backlog due to the IT issues will be included in tomorrow's case numbers. Dept of health noting in the press release that tomorrow's will be higher due to this but that the cases will have been contract traced and case management process hasn't been delayed

Doesn’t make sense that they can say they have been contact traced, but can’t yet report how many cases there are.

blowitupref · 04-12-2020 07:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

6 deaths, 265 cases.

The backlog due to the IT issues will be included in tomorrow's case numbers. Dept of health noting in the press release that tomorrow's will be higher due to this but that the cases will have been contract traced and case management process hasn't been delayed

So 300+ tomorrow and today reported case number very close to the swab count of the last 24 hours.

gipi · 04-12-2020 07:21PM

Read a tweet from Gavan Reilly saying that the IT glitch affected reported figures for several days this week, not just yesterday. There may have been a lot of underreporting, which will lead to a very large number tomorrow

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1334923846546288648?s=19

hynesie08 · 04-12-2020 07:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

6 deaths, 265 cases.

The backlog due to the IT issues will be included in tomorrow's case numbers. Dept of health noting in the press release that tomorrow's will be higher due to this but that the cases will have been contract traced and case management process hasn't been delayed

Do we reckon they'll do the sensible thing and make 2 announcements tomorrow? Or will they just announce a ridiculous number and rte will report it with no context?

Alonso77 · 04-12-2020 07:24PM

Would it not make more sense to release the numbers weekly at this stage with a press release every Mon - no need for these twice weekly press conferences either - release the numbers weekly, job done

harr · 04-12-2020 07:25PM

gipi wrote: »

Read a tweet from Gavan Reilly saying that the IT glitch affected reported figures for several days this week, not just yesterday. There may have been a lot of underreporting, which will lead to a very large number tomorrow

Surely an IT glitch like this should have been spotted straight away and not after a few days ... how would contact tracing not have been affected if they didn’t have proper numbers.
Big numbers coming tomorrow or Sunday for the media to get hyper about .

blowitupref · 04-12-2020 07:28PM

stephenjmcd · 04-12-2020 07:28PM

harr wrote: »

Surely an IT glitch like this should have been spotted straight away and not after a few days ... how would contact tracing not have been affected if they didn’t have proper numbers.
Big numbers coming tomorrow or Sunday for the media to hyper about .

Its not that it wasn't spotted, these things happen and can take a few days to fix even if they seem simple. Thats just the beast of IT.

The issue was reporting to HPSC so HSE had the tests that they needed to follow up with for contact tracing but whatever the issue was some couldn't be reported to HPSC and in turn to Dept of Health.

FionnK86 · 04-12-2020 07:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We officially have movement:
https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1334819782726742016?s=20

Something very voting machine/iodine tablets about that picture. Hope they're put to good use.

Gael23 · 04-12-2020 07:29PM

eigrod wrote: »

ICU down to 27 (was 32 at 6.30 yesterday evening).

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

This looks to be due to deaths rather than discharges regrettably

eagle eye · 04-12-2020 07:30PM

Alonso77 wrote:

Would it not make more sense to release the numbers weekly at this stage with a press release every Mon - no need for these twice weekly press conferences either - release the numbers weekly, job done

Well I tune in quite a bit to the NPHET press conferences. It's a very good briefing.
And daily numbers are good because we get to watch the infection rate. Much better to have daily figures than a weekly figure which might include a large cluster somewhere and then your weekly infection rate is higher whereas you can tell from the daily figures that one day that's different, either high or low, is just a freak occurrence.

stephenjmcd · 04-12-2020 07:31PM

Gael23 wrote: »

This looks to be due to deaths rather than discharges regrettably

Thats an unknown until the stats on hospitals are notified

Gael23 · 04-12-2020 07:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats an unknown until the stats on hospitals are notified

There was 2 discharges and one admission but numbers dropped by 5.
They haven’t said but I’m putting the pieces together

BryanMartin21 · 04-12-2020 07:34PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Italy going under the radar of late? 1000 deaths a day ongoing their lately.

They haven't reported on Italy in headlines since the beginning. To report on them now in Irish news headlines would be, call me cynical, suspicious.

screamer · 04-12-2020 07:35PM

unfortunately the daily updates will continue till New Year to try to get people to alter their behaviour to curb Covid spread. When that fails and we end up with enhanced lockdown in mid January, the daily updates swill continue to tell us how the trends are going.

stephenjmcd · 04-12-2020 07:36PM

Gael23 wrote: »

There was 2 discharges and one admission but numbers dropped by 5.
They haven’t said but I’m putting the pieces together

Theres no point in reading into that. We've seen that over the last few weeks when there's been discrepancies in admissions and discharges, it's not all that accurate.

niallo27 · 04-12-2020 07:44PM

Alonso77 wrote: »

Would it not make more sense to release the numbers weekly at this stage with a press release every Mon - no need for these twice weekly press conferences either - release the numbers weekly, job done

The Tony show only one day a week, he won't stand for that.

What Username Guidelines · 04-12-2020 07:54PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Great to hear.

And when I told her it was negative, meaning we can go out and do something tomorrow, I asked what she'd like to do... She asked could she go get another test please, as it was "so funny".

She ended up getting five nose swabs because she laughed so much at how much it tickled... in case anyone is worried about it being a bad experience for kids. Although she is an absolute maniac.

AutoTuning · 04-12-2020 07:54PM

It’s fairly inevitable that it will ramp back up again over Christmas in Ireland and elsewhere in Europe and the USA as the Christmas holidays pan out.

We didn’t achieve <50 or tending towards zero cases at Level 5. I would suspect the virus is pretty much impossible to get out of the population without vaccines and it will rebound over Xmas.

We are just going to be looking at yo-yo movements in and out of various restrictions until the vaccine is rolled out and that’s in common with all of the Europe and the USA.

We’re just not willing to of impose, adhere to or accept the level of lockdown that was used in parts of Asia, even in Australia.

There’s no point in being glum about it though. This is pretty much all we can or are willing to do. So we might as well accept the reality of managing the virus outbreaks until probably late summer 2021 at the earliest.

speckle · 04-12-2020 07:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The freezers are only needed for the Pfizer vaccine.

Cant help asking the question for a bit of fun... Do they have a backup generator or two?

Chivito550 · 04-12-2020 07:56PM

I hate the way people keep saying things like "the virus LOVES crowded places", and other such phrases. A virus is not capable of emotion and thought. Stop speaking to us as if we are infants.

AutoTuning · 04-12-2020 07:58PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hate the way people keep saying things like "the virus LOVES crowded places", and other such phrases. A virus is not capable of emotion and thought. Stop speaking to us as if we are infants.

It’s just a turn of phrase and normal speech. Water loves a sponge. Mold loves dampness.

FinglasFollain · 04-12-2020 08:08PM

Numbers issue is going to divide things even more.

There’ll be a cohort that don’t accept that this isn’t just a system fault or incompetence and believe that the numbers are being massaged. (Eg. A Saturday number to scare people after restaurants reopened).

And then there’ll be a crowd who link increased cases with opening up shops and restaurants (even though it is absolutely impossible to correlate Saturday numbers with events three days beforehand), and want stricter measures again.

I understand it’s a mistake and not necessarily down to NPHET. But I do think press releases need to make the backlog issue crystal clear tomorrow. And journalists to be briefed on it so they mightn’t cry “numbers have doubled/tripled”. Denitrifications are rarely highlighted, so maybe add down the bottom “x number of delayed notifications”

AutoTuning · 04-12-2020 08:13PM

They need to retrospectively apply the numbers to the days the occurred, not just provide a pointless figure.

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 08:15PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hate the way people keep saying things like "the virus LOVES crowded places", and other such phrases. A virus is not capable of emotion and thought. Stop speaking to us as if we are infants.

Totally agree

"The virus doesn't care that it's Christmas" is another one I've heard, such nonsense

majcos · 04-12-2020 08:37PM

72sheep wrote: »

HSE reports provide Covid data for # deaths, # cases and CFR % (and then cohort breakouts). But:
# deaths is over-counted - as Covid is denoted as cause of death even if you are hit by a bus while infected
# cases is under-counted - as we don't have comprehensive nationwide testing
# reporting CFR in this scenario is, at best, an insult to our intelligence
HSE report should be explaining the reasoning behind any data distortions.

The data for # hospital/ICU admissions (and deaths) is also meaningless without a comparison against previous non-Covid years/periods - especially given those counting inaccuracies above. This should be compelling evidence but it's not provided in their report and there's no explanation as to why it is not relevant.

Somehow though people are just blindly cheering along the HSE "scores" same they would for a local sports team.

Death from a bus accident is absolutely not counted as a Covid death. There has to be a clinically compatible illness for a death to be counted as a Covid death.

Trauma is one the examples of a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to Covid even if person has tested Covid positive. Neither will a death be counted if a person died some time after initial recovery from Covid although Covid may have resulted in weakened state or a complication which contributed to later demise.

Undercounting of cases was initially a considerable issue due to lack of availability of testing but this is less of a problem now. Asymptomatic cases are still being missed but the low positivity rate with thousands of tests being performed every day is because more people with just mild symptoms or no symptoms are being captured now.

Not sure how you can compare number of hospital admissions/ICU admissions with Covid due to previous years when it didn’t exist in previous years. Cannot compared overall hospitalizations/ICU numbers either as many hospitalizations were cancelled this year because of impact of Covid on hospitals. Similarly overall number of ICU admissions were impacted by cancellation of surgeries.

majcos · 04-12-2020 08:44PM

bennyineire wrote: »

Donegal is in the Republic though so it won't make any difference in the short to medium term

What happens in Northern Ireland has more of an impact on Donegal than what happens in the rest of the Republic. Donegal is far more connected and almost entirely surrounded by Northern Ireland. Only has a tiny section of border with the Republic.

Dr. Bre · 04-12-2020 08:50PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Totally agree

"The virus doesn't care that it's Christmas" is another one I've heard, such nonsense

The virus knows when you’ve ordered food in a pub

Seamai · 04-12-2020 09:00PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hate the way people keep saying things like "the virus LOVES crowded places", and other such phrases. A virus is not capable of emotion and thought. Stop speaking to us as if we are infants.

I prefer "misery loves company" myself ðŸ˜…

xhomelezz · 04-12-2020 09:12PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Totally agree

"The virus doesn't care that it's Christmas" is another one I've heard, such nonsense

Agree, think the virus is gonna love the Christmas time.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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