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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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    #2432
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,800 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'm just not much of a bracelet man. Never was. Had my Omega Seamaster 300, my daily wearer for 3 years, on a nato or rubber most of that time and my previous swiss diver on a Hirsch leather for many years

    Agree that the Rolex oyster bracelet is a class up from most others, but the one on my polar explorer is the older type that doesn't have the easylink system with an on the fly adjustment that the newer gen oyster bracelets on my explorer and Milgauss had. Which makes it almost unwearable to me (as a 24/7 watch, with my wrists swelling from time to time). I have yet to own or even try on a Rolex with the glidelock system, which sounds ideal and could even turn me into a bracelet man like the rest of you :p


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    #2433
    njburke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭njburke


    Photo of the citizen with bracelet and stock pu strap. Wearing this today, gotta rotate, quartz are great for that.

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    #2434
    micks_address
    Registered Users Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Looks a lot more substantial on the bracelet


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    #2435
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    The rubber strap is absolutely the best for diving purposes... I imagine the Citizen was designed for when people actually dived with their dive watches (the ridges allow for over stretching of the strap over the expanded wetsuit which naturally contracts as you dive deeper and water pressure compresses your wetsuit) - this way the watch stays tightly strapped to your wrist as opposed to fixed dive extensions which may fit at the surface but become loose at depth.

    Tudor solved this issue in bracelets with their spring loaded Pelogos clasp which contracts automatically too - but simple rubber ridges is the much cheaper/easier fix for a tool watch :D

    It's actually the biggest headache for me right now - wanting to design a dive watch but knowing that almost no-one will be diving with them sadly - so I have to decide where can I compromise "diveability" for office desk-diving ability... the Equinox will definitely tilt towards being a fully practical dive watch though. I grimace when I hear people speaking about 200-300-500-1000m water resistance when they don't even dive :pac: (and extra WR isn't "free" - you get thicker watches which won't ever be tested to rated limits).

    A devil's advocate would say any mechanical watch may be illogical in and of itself so I can't go off about people's illogical choices about super deep dive watches ha :D

    But suffice it to say - if you do deep saturation/bell diving and need a helium escape valve - the Equinox won't be for you :P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturation_diving - saturation diving sounds very impressive, dangerous and you'll see that we're talking about working at -70m (which already sounds dangerous to me after training down to -30m for a short time, albeit with a normal oxygen mixture) - which any of 100m WR watches (and to be honest 50m WR watches *probably*) can operate at happily.


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    #2436
    IrishPlayer
    Registered Users Posts: 704 ✭✭✭IrishPlayer


    Always preferred a bracelet myself, having said that after wearing a leather strap the past week, really liking it so far, something different.


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    #2437
    njburke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭njburke


    Thirdfox.
    Best overall for me would be a bungee strap, only thing that really works with a drysuit.
    I tried to get maratec nitrox nato straps, 330 mm nato's, sold out no longer available.
    My orange monster or citizen are fine in warm water on the bracelet/put strap. I usually roll back the wetsuit sleeve.
    The spring bars are the single failure point. For my suunto computer, I use a bungee fed through both sides of the strap, if the strap goes, the bungee keeps both together and you've a chance to recover.

    I also thought that stainless end links should be available with just say 3 off 4 mm holes in them. Run three bungee chords through the endlinks, works for wet and dry suits, forearm.

    I also thought of epoxying a PU strap to make a divers extension, works best with two of the same strap, one normal, the other glued to act as an extender, bungee through the lot.

    The pelagos solution is nice, but maybe over engineered. Ideal for desk diving when the air con shrinks your wrist.


    Now the bad news, after 50 or 60 dives, I lost my citizen jv0000, on a dive in Kerry at the maharees. I got sloppy and left it my drysuit pocket, It must have dropped out when I removed a spare weight I was carrying. There's a loop in the pocket I should have strapped it to, there even an inner zipped pocket. I was just wearing it to keep it's dive log going.

    It's cell needed replacing anyway, I have others, I got it cheap....
    I'm long enough floating around in a three dimensional world to know how to keep kit from falling out, floating away.life lessons.


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    #2438
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Sorry to hear about the Citizen - my first dive watch was a Citizen NY2300 - lovely little thing and passed it on to someone who would wear it more often than I did.

    I'll probably take the Starlight off the leather strap and go diving with one just for the photo op (tying back to my rant about the meaning of WR) - most people on this forum probably know by now I swim/shower when I need to with the 30m wr speedmaster (why? because sometimes it's safer on the wrist then in a gym/hotel locker).

    That bungie cord idea is marvellous - I'm just AOW which means very little to proper divers I know :D - so I hadn't heard of this trick yet but I see plenty of people use it - very interesting - I'll probably include a bungie "strap" for the actual divers using the Equinox then - great point about drysuits vs wet suits (haven't tried drysuits yet - I've found my natural blubber to be sufficient with the wetsuits I wear even in Irish waters ;) )

    edit: Here's someone who took their 30m WR casio to -30m without issue:
    https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/can-i-dive-with-a-30m-wr-watch-an-empirical-experience.1847322/

    I think unless you don't want to ever consider servicing your watch (i.e. checking/replacing gaskets as needed etc.) then yeah - taking your Rolex Deep Sea Dweller into the kitchen sink isn't a good idea - but for well maintained watches swimming/showering shouldn't be an issue for 30m WR whatsoever. I'd probably take at least a 50m WR watch as a back up timer for dives though.


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    #2439
    46 Long
    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭46 Long


    :pac:

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    #2440
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭CarProblem


    Load of watch boxes reduced on Amazon

    I'd not have a large enough collection to warrant one but might be of use to some others


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    #2441
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,619 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Just looking for views on this, would you wear an automatic watch while using a chainsaw? I've worn a Seiko auto before while using one for half an hour or so, doesn't seem to have any harm done, but I'll be doing a lot more chainsaw work in the next few weeks.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #2442
    Lorddrakul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Just looking for views on this, would you wear an automatic watch while using a chainsaw? I've worn a Seiko auto before while using one for half an hour or so, doesn't seem to have any harm done, but I'll be doing a lot more chainsaw work in the next few weeks.

    I've also used an auto, Vostok, Seiko etc, while using power tools, like sanders, saws, drills. Not had a problem.

    Even wore an auto while doing a bit of motocross. No issue.


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    #2443
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,800 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If the human survives the action, then the decent automatic tool watch should be fine too :p


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    #2444
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Just looking for views on this, would you wear an automatic watch while using a chainsaw? I've worn a Seiko auto before while using one for half an hour or so, doesn't seem to have any harm done, but I'll be doing a lot more chainsaw work in the next few weeks.

    Modern shock protection *should* protect from most gardening activities chainsaws probably aren't the best or at least pretty stressful for the pinions (not expert or personal knowledge) - I recall golf being one that is regarded as particularly "shocking" for watches (probably tennis too...)

    And while I agree with Unkel that generally gardening activities should be okay (the Starlight survived hedge trimmers at least) - I do have modern Swiss watches that specifically warn against wearing it during sporting activities (though in its case it has pretty special reasons).

    I wouldn't be wearing a flying tourbillon while out taking off branches that's for sure :D


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    #2445
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sudden shocks are one thing but I'd reckon the strong vibrations will highlight any weakness in the mechanism. I'd personally not risk it myself.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #2446
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,745 ✭✭✭893bet


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Just looking for views on this, would you wear an automatic watch while using a chainsaw? I've worn a Seiko auto before while using one for half an hour or so, doesn't seem to have any harm done, but I'll be doing a lot more chainsaw work in the next few weeks.

    I wouldn’t wear anything I “valued” and I do a lot of chainsaw work as I feed three different stoves.

    I recall you talking about doing some thinnings of 5 acres in the forestry forum so potentially 100s of hours. Even aside from the risk to the watch you need full flexibility in your wrist for using a chain saw, especially if thinning and you are lifting the saw in a variety of positions above your head rather than just in a saw log infront of you. From a safety point of view I would leave the watch off.

    Enjoy the hardship!!!!!


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    #2447
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,619 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Looks like the Seiko Kinetic might be getting a few vibrations so, might help it charge up a bit.

    I'm still using a handsaw for the pruning 893bet, I like a bit of peace and quiet, it's where I go to get away from it all with the dogs for an hour or two.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #2448
    OldBean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭OldBean


    The problem with continuous harsh vibrations like a chainsaw is it might just start a screw off on it's journey to being loosened, you mightn't notice anything different that day, or a a week later. But then there's a screw after popping out and rolling around inside your watch, and you're wondering if it's from closing a car door, or that bit of gardening a few months ago.

    I use some pretty expensive and well made specialist equipment in work and I've seen it happen first hand. I wouldn't risk it - If you really need to wear a watch while you're at it, grab a Casio for 30 quid.


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    #2449
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,226 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    There's a reason why g-shocks are popular with builders. Handy to have for certain activities


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    #2450
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,745 ✭✭✭893bet


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Looks like the Seiko Kinetic might be getting a few vibrations so, might help it charge up a bit.

    I'm still using a handsaw for the pruning 893bet, I like a bit of peace and quiet, it's where I go to get away from it all with the dogs for an hour or two.

    A handsaw? Oh you love the hardship!

    When you say pruning, what do you mean in relation to the forestry thinning? I would have assumed you would be just taking out every 7th row of trees or so and then the odd random tree here or there. What “pruning” are you doing? Removing some lower level branches to try and encourage upward growth?

    I was discussing with a forester last year and he said when thinning tree selection is the key. People are reluctant to take out a big trees as they want them to be come massive trees. But that massive tree may be to the detriment of all the surrounding ones. Taking out the currently big tree now may result in all the surrounding trees growing to become large trees due to less competition for light etc. You can’t assess a single tree but need to look at each 25m2 area to assess what should be done. Think long term. It’s all about the log size at clear fell not at thinning phase.


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    #2451
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchesCirclejerk/comments/bksnxc/what_your_watch_brand_says_about_you/

    Absolutely brilliant post on Reddit's WatchesCircleJerk about what your watch says about you.

    Some examples:
    Audemars Piguet: You are a rapper, and you think the brand name is “Royal Oak”.

    Breguet: You properly pronounce “Tourbillon”. You cringe when others refer to dial markings as mere “Arabic numerals”. You wish more people understood the history of horology. Your dream is to visit Paris.

    Carl F. Bucherer: You are a Chinese national who has never visited the United States. Your uncle’s textile factory has vaunted your family into the upper-middle classes, and it is expected that you project a certain image to distinguish yourself from the commoners. The saleswoman assured you that your Manero is for “a man of distinction” and will fit perfectly with your other internationally recognized luxury item, your cherry-red Buick GL8 Sedan.

    Parnis: You desire a replica Daytona, but your country’s customs force is extremely efficient at confiscating goods that violate trademarks.

    Poljot: In the old days, you were a MiG-23 fighter pilot for the Motherland. Your Poljot, along with your state-issued Volga GAZ-24 sedan, marked you as a man of importance among the proletariat. Sadly, in your current job as grocery store guard, only the old babushkas recognize your former glory. It would kill you to know that 30-year old gamers bought your watch online because they thought the Cyrillic on the dial looked cool.

    Well worth the long read if it's your type of humour.


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    #2452
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "Hublot: You are, simply, wrong." :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #2453
    sparrowcar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    I found that very funny. All brands are slagged in fairness so most people will laugh at 99% of it and be offended at the 1% that applies to their watch.


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    #2454
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,745 ✭✭✭893bet


    Patek Philippe - Type 2: You are a Russian oligarch. You assert that a hacking seconds “damages the movement”. Though you’ll never say so openly, you are secretly jealous of the finishing on a Lange. You feel reassured when you see one of those “For the next generation” ads.

    Lolled


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    #2455
    James Bond Junior
    Registered Users Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    So as many of you may know, I am the principal in a Middle Eastern school. Rich Arab kids are the norm but this took the box of biscuits. One of my older students (think 5th year) rocks up this morning to school in his 4 series BMW. He also drives a 7 series too. As he is late, I ask him the time and he pulls back his sleeve to reveal a Royal Oak Tourbillion. I'm thinking this can't be bloody real, surely!? I did ask him, could not help it, where he got it from. A present from his father apparently, but he prefers wearing his Rolex's (a presidential and a everose daytona with rubber strap) on other days, the AP is only for special occasions he says. There I am busting my arse with the reward of maybe being able to afford a (used) datejust when I finish up in a few years. Had a nice chat about watches in general but it was surreal. God bless the working man!


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    #2456
    Roycropper63
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Roycropper63


    my god how the other half lives!


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    #2457
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I knew a chap, also from the ME, a doctor. His family became fabulously wealthy a couple of generations ago and he had a slew of the usual nice watches, but the one he treasured the most was his grandfather's. A "cheap" steel Hamilton IIRC. That was his my house is on fire what do I grab item. Interestingly all his watches were steel. I asked him why and he told me that in Islam men wearing gold is very much frowned upon and because he was a devout kinda chap he wouldn't wear any gold.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #2458
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,800 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    My favourites :D

    Christiaan Van Der Klaauw: You are an unusually successful astrophysicist with a NY Times bestselling book. You wear you hair at a rakish angle, and unabashedly use the phase “a priori” in everyday conversation. You actually understand the concept of Sideral time. You first heard of the brand from the oligarch who endowed your research chair using laundered Petro dollars.

    Poljot: In the old days, you were a MiG-23 fighter pilot for the Motherland. Your Poljot, along with your state-issued Volga GAZ-24 sedan, marked you as a man of importance among the proletariat. Sadly, in your current job as grocery store guard, only the old babushkas recognize your former glory. It would kill you to know that 30-year old gamers bought your watch online because they thought the Cyrillic on the dial looked cool.

    Tudor: You assert that the Black Bay 58 is what Rolex “used to be”. You take pride in the quality of the bezel on your Pelagos. You will never admit that you wish you had a Rolex.

    Dornblüth & Sohn: You own a grandfather clock, which you wind daily. Your have the same opinion on Roman numerals as on your ex-wife - cluttered, fussy, and confusing. You drive a vintage BMW - in your opinion, the epitome of a functional automobile - before the snazzy marketing made them much too flashy.

    Gotta get myself a D&S :cool:


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    #2459
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I knew a chap, also from the ME, a doctor. His family became fabulously wealthy a couple of generations ago and he had a slew of the usual nice watches, but the one he treasured the most was his grandfather's. A "cheap" steel Hamilton IIRC. That was his my house is on fire what do I grab item. Interestingly all his watches were steel. I asked him why and he told me that in Islam men wearing gold is very much frowned upon and because he was a devout kinda chap he wouldn't wear any gold.

    Platinum is a-okay though I believe - it's just gold that's not allowed :D


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    #2460
    Cyclingtourist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchesCirclejerk/comments/bksnxc/what_your_watch_brand_says_about_you/


    Well worth the long read if it's your type of humour.

    That should be humor, the guy's obviously American.


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    #2461
    James Bond Junior
    Registered Users Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    I felt a little insecure in my lowly seamaster... interesting on the gold thing. I was adamant when I got married a year ago that I wanted a traditional gold wedding band, went for an 18k 6mm court style. Classic in my mind, the Arabs must thing I'm a nancy!

    On another interesting note, I bought my wife a new ring yesterday from a local jewellers. The jeweller had a nice steel and gold Omega lady constellation on so I asked her about watches. Her family do supply used watches so I'll definitely return to her when the time comes.


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