Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

eagle eye · 28-11-2020 04:26PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

Nope, that's just your take on what I have said.

It's exactly what you are saying. You've made it very clear.

Timberrrrrrrr · 28-11-2020 04:28PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's exactly what you are saying. You've made it very clear.

No

I know what i said and what I meant, you can twist it to suit your agenda if you wish (I won't lose a wink of sleep over it) but that doesn't take away from the fact that you are wrong. I know (just like Trump) you hate being wrong but there's not much I can do about that.

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2020 04:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's exactly what you are saying. You've made it very clear.

if you think this qualifies as "acting like trump" then you severely underestimate how awful trump can behave. I mean, its not like he has showed us consistently over the last 5 years exactly what he is like.

I want the rest of Trumps life to be a miserable one, I hope he is never referred to as "president Trump" by Biden. I hope he is called the previous tenant, or the last guy, or even the clown that was here last time. Its all he deserves after the way he has treated people over the last four years.

eagle eye · 28-11-2020 04:34PM

ohnonotgmail wrote:

if you think this qualifies as "acting like trump" then you severely underestimate how awful trump can behave. I mean, its not like he has showed us consistently over the last 5 years exactly what he is like.

He said he wants the rest of Trump's life to be a miserable one. You quoted that.
That's exactly the type of person Trump is. Any decent person doesn't wish ill on others.

ohnonotgmail · 28-11-2020 04:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He said he wants the rest of Trump's life to be a miserable one. You quoted that.
That's exactly the type of person Trump is. Any decent person doesn't wish ill on others.

trump wouldn't want someone to be miserable, he would act to make sure they were. that is the difference. I wont be responding to you further, your posts pearl-clutching are tedious in the extreme.

eagle eye · 28-11-2020 04:39PM

ohnonotgmail wrote:

trump wouldn't want someone to be miserable, he would act to make sure they were. that is the difference. I wont be responding to you further, your posts pearl-clutching are tedious in the extreme.

Your defense of the indefensible is mind-boggling.

VinLieger · 28-11-2020 05:02PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Your defense of the indefensible is mind-boggling.

Your refusal to view the world in anything other than black or white is in my opinion intentionally malicious and your just engaging others in bad faith arguments now.

Samsonsmasher · 28-11-2020 05:07PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

In WI about 100000 mail in ballots may be tossed because no requests were made for them as per the rules giving Trump that state too.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

This may trigger a domino effect as fraud allegations cause the count to be tossed in other swing states.

Remember the only for the corruption in Detriot Milwaukee Philadelphia and Atlanta which gave him ridiculously implausible victories in their respective counties Biden would not have been called the winner of those states and declared President Elect by the AP.

He is not President Elect until the electors give him at least 270 votes in December.

If no candidate gets 270 the States get 1 vote each under the 12th Amendment. Most are GOP controlled so they will vote Trump and he WINS!

28-11-2020 05:11PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He said he wants the rest of Trump's life to be a miserable one. You quoted that.
That's exactly the type of person Trump is. Any decent person doesn't wish ill on others.

I would say it's a pretty fair hope if he doesn't have legal consequences for his behaviour.

eagle eye · 28-11-2020 05:17PM

VinLieger wrote:

Your refusal to view the world in anything other than black or white is in my opinion intentionally malicious and your just engaging others in bad faith arguments now.

No, I just hate hypocrisy.
This guy was all over people, who got banned I might add, for bringing up the Hunter Biden laptop claims and using derogatory names for Joe Biden. Then he comes up with unsubstantiated stuff as regards Trump and uses derogatory names.
When I pull him on it he starts wishing ill on Trump.
I despise Trump but I would never act like him.
I want the world to return to a calmer, nicer place. Joe Biden wants that as well.
Lots of work to be done to bring people back from voting for Trump and far too many voted for him to be comfortable right now.
So I'm of the opinion that anybody acting like Trump on either side of the aisle needs to be pulled on it. There's no room for hate and wishing bad things on people.

jamule · 28-11-2020 05:41PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

In WI about 100000 mail in ballots may be tossed because no requests were made for them as per the rules giving Trump that state too.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

This may trigger a domino effect as fraud allegations cause the count to be tossed in other swing states.

Remember the only for the corruption in Detriot Milwaukee Philadelphia and Atlanta which gave him ridiculously implausible victories in their respective counties Biden would not have been called the winner of those states and declared President Elect by the AP.

He is not President Elect until the electors give him at least 270 votes in December.

If no candidate gets 270 the States get 1 vote each under the 12th Amendment. Most are GOP controlled so they will vote Trump and he WINS!

woohoo trump is gonna win. bigly. woohoo. its all over now!

LuckyLloyd · 28-11-2020 05:43PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

In WI about 100000 mail in ballots may be tossed because no requests were made for them as per the rules giving Trump that state too.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

This may trigger a domino effect as fraud allegations cause the count to be tossed in other swing states.

Remember the only for the corruption in Detriot Milwaukee Philadelphia and Atlanta which gave him ridiculously implausible victories in their respective counties Biden would not have been called the winner of those states and declared President Elect by the AP.

He is not President Elect until the electors give him at least 270 votes in December.

If no candidate gets 270 the States get 1 vote each under the 12th Amendment. Most are GOP controlled so they will vote Trump and he WINS!

So much of the above is completely wrong and easily disproven. I have no idea what ruling your link is talking about. The actual story is that Trump's efforts to stop or rescind certification (talk is about "delay" which is wrong) was laughed out of court yesterday in a particularly scathing fashion. Moreover, even if they appealed and were somehow successful in that appeal they just end up in the same court making the same arguments in front of the same judge.

I don't know what the point of this new account is or the posts within it? Who is even behind it. This thing is not in play, and not with this audience. Garbage misinformation like the above achieves nothing. So very weird.

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Even in defeat Trump is living rent free in millions of heads.

Well there seems to be lots of people living rent free in Trump's defeated head right now. I'd love to opine on the tenancy status of Outlaw Pete, RIGOLO, et al's heads but they're MIA after Trump's defeat.

Yes, some scalps are being taken as was always the case. But make no mistake: there is only one winner here, and it isn't anybody or anything to do with Trump.

Cody montana · 28-11-2020 06:09PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

In WI about 100000 mail in ballots may be tossed because no requests were made for them as per the rules giving Trump that state too.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

This may trigger a domino effect as fraud allegations cause the count to be tossed in other swing states.

Remember the only for the corruption in Detriot Milwaukee Philadelphia and Atlanta which gave him ridiculously implausible victories in their respective counties Biden would not have been called the winner of those states and declared President Elect by the AP.

He is not President Elect until the electors give him at least 270 votes in December.

If no candidate gets 270 the States get 1 vote each under the 12th Amendment. Most are GOP controlled so they will vote Trump and he WINS!

Do you think trump is going to win?

Boggles · 28-11-2020 06:12PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

In WI about 100000 mail in ballots may be tossed because no requests were made for them as per the rules giving Trump that state too.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

This may trigger a domino effect as fraud allegations cause the count to be tossed in other swing states.

Remember the only for the corruption in Detriot Milwaukee Philadelphia and Atlanta which gave him ridiculously implausible victories in their respective counties Biden would not have been called the winner of those states and declared President Elect by the AP.

He is not President Elect until the electors give him at least 270 votes in December.

If no candidate gets 270 the States get 1 vote each under the 12th Amendment. Most are GOP controlled so they will vote Trump and he WINS!

VinLieger · 28-11-2020 06:21PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

So much of the above is completely wrong and easily disproven. I have no idea what ruling your link is talking about. The actual story is that Trump's efforts to stop or rescind certification (talk is about "delay" which is wrong) was laughed out of court yesterday in a particularly scathing fashion. Moreover, even if they appealed and were somehow successful in that appeal they just end up in the same court making the same arguments in front of the same judge.

There is actually a separate case that has flown under the radar a bit, it took me a while to find a less biased piece of reporting on it.

But obviously it is nowhere as clear cut as that poster is implying

https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/11/pennsylvania-appeals-court-blocks-further-certification-of-election-results-pending-hearing/

not only did the plaintiffs lack standing to bring the suit, but also that it was not timely filed. Act 77 provided that a challenge to the Act should have been brought within 180 days of its passage. The defendants’ lawyers also called attention to the lateness of the lawsuit itself, pointing out that there have been two elections between Act 77’s passage and the plaintiffs’ complaint.

Leroy42 · 28-11-2020 06:33PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

Isn't this the type of corruption that Trump says he is trying to save the country from?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 28-11-2020 07:06PM

Something I hope doesn't happen is trump's pic doesn't get taken down, it should be used as a source of what can happen in a democracy, use it as a poster child to what can happen. As much as "draining the swamp" is a good thing, be careful of the person that is used to drain that swamp..

eagle eye · 28-11-2020 08:40PM

Samsonsmasher wrote:

More devastating news for Biden which could hand Trump back Nevada...

Stop posting fake news.

Padre_Pio · 28-11-2020 08:51PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

More devastating news for Biden which could hand Trump back Nevada...

Meanwhile SCOTUS looks increasingly likely to throw out the mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day in Pennsylvania as unconstitutional while 100000 mail in ballots with no proof of request in Wisconsin could be tossed and give the President yet another win.

Yeah I'm sure Joe Biden is devastated :rolleyes:

As of yesterday, the Supreme Court was not looking at this. Trump's team said they would lodge an appeal "Trump’s lawyers vowed to appeal to the Supreme Court despite the judges’ assessment that the “campaign’s claims have no merit.”"

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-philadelphia-d9c96c4593ec278f3b1d4bc564068df6

Saralace · 28-11-2020 08:57PM

Quit your crying even the Americans that supported trump like rats on a sinking ship are leaving and trying to get on bidens good side

At one point he expressed concern that Biden would get the glory from pending coronavirus vaccines. “Don't let him take credit for the vaccines,” Trump said, “because the vaccines were me, and I pushed people harder than they've ever been pushed before.Trump's administration has already given the green light for a formal transition to get underway. Yet Trump took issue with Biden moving forward.

“I think it's not right that he's trying to pick a Cabinet,” Trump said, even though officials from both teams are already working together to get Biden's team up to speed.

Asked if he'll attend the inauguration, Trump said he knows the answer but doesn't want to say.One of the reasons Republicans have stood by Trump and his baseless claims of fraud has been to keep his loyal base energized for those Jan. 5 runoffs. But Trump, in his remarks, openly questioned whether that election would be fair, casting suspicions that could dampen Republican turnout.

“I think you're dealing with a very fraudulent system,” he said. “I'm very worried about that.” He said: “People are very disappointed that we were robbed.”

Trump made clear that he will probably never formally concede, even if he said he would leave the White House.

“It's gonna be a very hard thing to concede,” he said. “Because we know there was massive fraud.”

Electors “will have made a mistake” by affirming Biden's win, he said.

Yet “time isn't on our side.”

Will he run again in 2024? Trump said he doesn't “want to talk about 2024 yet.”

“This has a long way to go,” Trump said,

Kermit.de.frog · 28-11-2020 10:18PM

gas

https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/1332659997495463941

everlast75 · 28-11-2020 10:25PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

In WI about 100000 mail in ballots may be tossed because no requests were made for them as per the rules giving Trump that state too.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

This may trigger a domino effect as fraud allegations cause the count to be tossed in other swing states.

Remember the only for the corruption in Detriot Milwaukee Philadelphia and Atlanta which gave him ridiculously implausible victories in their respective counties Biden would not have been called the winner of those states and declared President Elect by the AP.

He is not President Elect until the electors give him at least 270 votes in December.

If no candidate gets 270 the States get 1 vote each under the 12th Amendment. Most are GOP controlled so they will vote Trump and he WINS!

I feel like an intervention is required here....

Gunmonkey · 28-11-2020 10:47PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Something I hope doesn't happen is trump's pic doesn't get taken down, it should be used as a source of what can happen in a democracy, use it as a poster child to what can happen. As much as "draining the swamp" is a good thing, be careful of the person that is used to drain that swamp..

You should be more worried of who is refilling it, as seen by Trump shoving sycophants into positions of power that answer to him, not his position.

PopePalpatine · 28-11-2020 10:56PM

everlast75 wrote: »

I feel like an intervention is required here....

Comrade Anatoly's on the toilet.

Gunmonkey · 28-11-2020 11:02PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/

And it looks like mail in ballots admitted after 8pm on election day may be tossed as unconstitutional in Pennsylvania giving Trump that state.

Meanwhile GOP legislature in PA is already seeking to win back the power to appoint electors which means they will appoint pro Trump electors.

Oh...are these the sequestered votes that the PA state voting body kept away from the main ballots, counted but never added to the total? Those votes? Because unless they had about 200000 for Trump, they wouldnt have made a difference anyways.

Or do you think this ruling is applying to all the votes that were counted in the days after Nov 3rd? The ones that were posted, post marked and are entirely legal and valid ballots! Those ones? Because if the Republican heavy SCOTUS is ruling to throw legally valid ballots in the bin because they arent for their candidate....then that exactly the kind of "destruction of democracy", rigged election, voter fraud ****e Trump has been spouting for weeks now.

As for the bolded part...yeah, as others have pointed out, thats flat out stamping on the democratic system...why even bother with an election if some group will just pick their candidate anyways? Imagine if a Dem legislator decided to ignore the majority Trump votes and put Biden in anyways....the Republicans would be ****ting kittens in righteous anger.

But lets not forget...the Democrats are the ones doing the evil vote rigging and fraud (with no evidence to back any of the claims up) and not the pure innocent Republicans as they are flat out admitting to election rigging and vote suppression :rolleyes:

briany · 28-11-2020 11:43PM

"He hasn't won until all the votes have been counted."

"He hasn't won until Fox News calls it."

"He hasn't won until the courts look at these mail-in ballots."

"He hasn't won until the states certify the results"

"He hasn't won until the Electoral College meets"

"He won, but he didn't win. I've decided the vote was a big fraud based on evidence credible to no-one but me and everyone else in my bubble."

"He won't be president because he'll probably die before January 20th"

"He'll never be my president"

This has been the progression in logic. There are some people who will never accept that Biden won. They're not really worth talking to because they have no interest in hearing an opinion to the contrary.

Sonics2k · 28-11-2020 11:52PM

briany wrote: »

"He hasn't won until all the votes have been counted."

"He hasn't won until Fox News calls it."

"He hasn't won until the courts look at these mail-in ballots."

"He hasn't won until the states certify the results"

"He hasn't won until the Electoral College meets"

"He won, but he didn't win. I've decided the vote was a big fraud based on evidence credible to no-one but me and everyone else in my bubble."

"He won't be president because he'll probably die before January 20th"

"He'll never be my president"

This has been the progression in logic. There are some people who will never accept that Biden won. They're not really worth talking to because they have no interest in hearing an opinion to the contrary.

You forgot

"He hasn't won because Paddy Power haven't paid out yet."

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 29-11-2020 12:09AM

Gunmonkey wrote: »

You should be more worried of who is refilling it, as seen by Trump shoving sycophants into positions of power that answer to him, not his position.

I came into this thread with the explicit position that I'm not a Biden fan, trump though takes things to a whole other level..

I'll happily be critical of Biden and the decisions of his cabinet over the next four years. I'll hold no shame for that, unlike the others of the previous one who had the importance of defending his cnutish behaviour to the fcukin hilt with zero shame, even when the fcuk bag has been trounced by the "worst candidate" that could be put forward..

I'm off to sleep in my bunker, catch me in maybe 4 years time when I awaken from my slumber..

Samsonsmasher · 29-11-2020 12:16AM

briany wrote: »

"He hasn't won until all the votes have been counted."

"He hasn't won until Fox News calls it."

"He hasn't won until the courts look at these mail-in ballots."

"He hasn't won until the states certify the results"

"He hasn't won until the Electoral College meets"

"He won, but he didn't win. I've decided the vote was a big fraud based on evidence credible to no-one but me and everyone else in my bubble."

"He won't be president because he'll probably die before January 20th"

"He'll never be my president"

This has been the progression in logic. There are some people who will never accept that Biden won. They're not really worth talking to because they have no interest in hearing an opinion to the contrary.

https://youtu.be/VBgw-eEK30w

Listen to Fareed Zakaria of CNN and read his op ed based on his take in the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-could-stay-in-power-even-if-he-doesnt-win-the-election-the-constitution-allows-it/2020/09/24/d9371bb0-fe97-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

"Now, imagine the scenario during election week: Trump is leading on Nov. 3, but Democratic nominee Joe Biden gains ground in the days following. Republicans file objections to tens of thousands of mail-in ballots. Democrats file countersuits. Taking account of the confusion, legislatures decide to choose the electors themselves."

"Here’s the worry. Of the nine swing states, eight have Republican legislatures. If one or more decide that balloting is chaotic and marred by irregularities, they could send what they regard as the legitimate slate of electors, which would be Republican."

"Democrats may object and file lawsuits. In some of those states, Democratic governors or secretaries of state could send their own slates of electors to Washington. That would add to the confusion, but that might well be part of the Republican plan. When Congress convenes on Jan. 6 to tally the electors’ votes, there would be challenges to the legitimacy of some electors. Congressional Republicans would agree that disputed states should not be counted. That would ensure that neither candidate would get to 270 electoral votes."

"At that point, the Constitution directs that the House of Representatives vote to determine the presidential election. But it does so with each state casting a single vote. If the current numbers hold, there would be 26 state delegations that are Republican and 23 Democratic (with one tied), so the outcome would be to reelect Trump. Trump does not need to do anything other than accept this outcome, which is constitutional."

:-D

29-11-2020 12:29AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

https://youtu.be/VBgw-eEK30w

Listen to Fareed Zakaria of CNN and read his op ed based on his take in the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-could-stay-in-power-even-if-he-doesnt-win-the-election-the-constitution-allows-it/2020/09/24/d9371bb0-fe97-11ea-9ceb-061d646d9c67_story.html

"Now, imagine the scenario during election week: Trump is leading on Nov. 3, but Democratic nominee Joe Biden gains ground in the days following. Republicans file objections to tens of thousands of mail-in ballots. Democrats file countersuits. Taking account of the confusion, legislatures decide to choose the electors themselves."

"Here’s the worry. Of the nine swing states, eight have Republican legislatures. If one or more decide that balloting is chaotic and marred by irregularities, they could send what they regard as the legitimate slate of electors, which would be Republican."

"Democrats may object and file lawsuits. In some of those states, Democratic governors or secretaries of state could send their own slates of electors to Washington. That would add to the confusion, but that might well be part of the Republican plan. When Congress convenes on Jan. 6 to tally the electors’ votes, there would be challenges to the legitimacy of some electors. Congressional Republicans would agree that disputed states should not be counted. That would ensure that neither candidate would get to 270 electoral votes."

"At that point, the Constitution directs that the House of Representatives vote to determine the presidential election. But it does so with each state casting a single vote. If the current numbers hold, there would be 26 state delegations that are Republican and 23 Democratic (with one tied), so the outcome would be to reelect Trump. Trump does not need to do anything other than accept this outcome, which is constitutional."

:-D

The thing is that scenario is only really applicable if it wasn't such a clear victory. It's incredibly clear now.

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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