General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

niallo27 · 28-11-2020 02:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

BY the letter of the law all the decisions were right.
Unless you don’t want the laws enforced.

I was talking in general this season, you don't think that decision against Sheffield utd was right do you. First offside today was a 50/50 call

jayo26 · 28-11-2020 02:38PM

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

The 2 Liverpool goals that were ruled out were great calls by VAR.

But what’s the law for the penalty? Is any bit of contact now considered a penalty? There was a slight bit of contact with two players going for the ball but definitely not enough to warrant going to ground and a penalty being awarded.

Like the penalty was so soft. Never mind VAR, football is has become way too soft and needs to change its description as a non-contact sport.

He missed the ball and kicked the attacker? Straight forward pen.

murpho999 · 28-11-2020 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Brighton should have won it overall IMO

Liverpool were the lucky ones to get a draw

Brighton with some crazy misses in that game too

How were they lucky?

Salah offside was very close.

Dodgy penalty at the end.

28-11-2020 02:39PM

jayo26 wrote: »

He missed the ball and kicked the attacker? Straight forward pen.

Very odd some are finding controversy in that decision. It was clear as day

CSF · 28-11-2020 02:39PM

For me, a huge part of the VAR problem is the fans and the media.

Last season, there was huge furore because decisions were being made using a really high bar. They wanted the ref to be over there making decisions on the monitor.

Now, they’re doing that. But honestly, who didn’t expect that to result in the referee just re-refereeing the incident rather than only declaring that they’ve made a huge error.

How is this situation not worse?

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 02:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Everton last minute, penalty against Sheffield United probably a few more.

We're talking about this game.

Deleted User wrote: »

Brighton should have won it overall IMO

Liverpool were the lucky ones to get a draw

Brighton with some crazy misses in that game too

Aye Liverpool were dreadful. Brighton deserved something from the game. They've had a strong start to the season in comparison to other years

CSF · 28-11-2020 02:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Very odd some are finding controversy in that decision. It was clear as day

It’s really not the kind of clear and obvious error that VAR was brought into turnaround though.

niallo27 · 28-11-2020 02:41PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

We're talking about this game.

Aye Liverpool were dreadful. Brighton deserved something from the game. They've had a strong start to the season in comparison to other years

I was talking about this season, the clue is in the thread title.

28-11-2020 02:41PM

Liverpool still top of the league with a load of serious injuries. Shows how terrible the likes of United and Arsenal really are.

jayo26 · 28-11-2020 02:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Brighton should have won it overall IMO

Liverpool were the lucky ones to get a draw

Brighton with some crazy misses in that game too

Agree, they look so shaky in defence and salah didnt look one bit too happy. Interesting times ahead.

dfx- · 28-11-2020 02:42PM

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

Where is the controversy here???
Robertson fouled welbeck in the box.
It's a penalty.

How are fans and bt superstars Pete crouch and pep Cole moaning about it?

It's not a bad decision by the ref either. He had a good view of it I think. There is no reason to suggest he made a bad call or didn't see it.

In slow motion and isolation, it's a clear penalty. VAR is re-refereeing the game...

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 02:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I was talking about this season, the clue is in the thread title.

Aye, nothing to do with context at all.

Your comment at the time would indicate you thought it was referring to you know, the game that just finished.

rossie1977 · 28-11-2020 02:43PM

If these things really even out Liverpool are going to get an insane amount of decisions going their way in second half of season.

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2020 02:43PM

I dont think its a peno,
If Robertson doesnt connect nothing in the incident changes, Welbck flicked a toe out and touched ball onto Robbos other foot and out
The fact Robbo slightly touched Welbecks foot changed nothing in the incident

tayto lover · 28-11-2020 02:44PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Agree, they look so shaky in defence and salah didnt look one bit too happy. Interesting times ahead.

They do look shaky at the back. They’ll have to fix that.
Klopp getting very stroppy in his interview too.

niallo27 · 28-11-2020 02:44PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Aye, nothing to do with context at all.

Your comment at the time would indicate you thought it was referring to you know, the game that just finished.

I said Liverpool are on the wrong side of a lot of VAR decisions this season, add in 3 more today.

~Rebel~ · 28-11-2020 02:45PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So was this another 'freak result' for the team I was told last week was 'head and shoulders' above the rest?

You were told that by another Utd fan, and no, it’s not a freak result. A 7-2 loss is a freak result. A 1-1 away draw is a pretty standard regular football result.

28-11-2020 02:45PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Agree, they look so shaky in defence and salah didnt look one bit too happy. Interesting times ahead.

Salah been huffing and puffing for a while now
He's overrated IMO

Actually think Mane is the better player

niallo27 · 28-11-2020 02:46PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Agree, they look so shaky in defence and salah didnt look one bit too happy. Interesting times ahead.

tayto lover wrote: »

They do look shaky at the back. They’ll have to fix that.

They are missing 3 of the 4 regular starters back there.

Abel Ruiz · 28-11-2020 02:46PM

dfx- wrote: »

It's not a bad decision by the ref either.

In slow motion, it's a clear penalty. VAR is re-refereeing the game...

So.
Everyone moaned when the ref missed fouls/goals/cheating in the past.
Now the technology is there to help the ref and make the correct decision.

It's a clear penalty as you say. So therefore no one should be moaning.

Is it because the penalty was against Liverpool? Is that the problem?

NoviGlitzko · 28-11-2020 02:47PM

This BT pundit interviewing Klopp is an awful egit.

jayo26 · 28-11-2020 02:47PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They do look shaky at the back. They’ll have to fix that.

I can see them signing a few defenders in January to make up for the mistakes on the summer. They might habe to settle for loan signings if the cash doesnt stretch.

28-11-2020 02:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They do look shaky at the back. They’ll have to fix that.
Klopp getting very stroppy in his interview too.

He tends to get stroppy whenever things don't go his way

Has this arrogant streak to him, especially when pundits ask sticky questions

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 02:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I said Liverpool are on the wrong side of a lot of VAR decisions this season, add in 3 more today.

You said Var decisions 'against them'. None of those decisions are incorrect(Today). It's just a correct decision. Bit like saying '' Jesus VAR is doing the correct job against Liverpool' It makes no sense.

Against them would mean they are wrong decisions.

I asked earlier about the list that VAR openly admitted they got wrong. I know their are a few. To me those would be VAR decisions against.

darced · 28-11-2020 02:52PM

Somehow with everything going against us we are still top, should still be an easy canter to the title if we can hang in there until we get the injuries sorted.

~Rebel~ · 28-11-2020 02:52PM

In the cold light of day, starting with only 1 first choice defender, and 1 first choice midfielder, and giving away 2 penalties, an away draw’s not a bad result at all.

Can only thank god at least the forwards are thus far unscathed while defence and midfield are torn asunder.

dfx- · 28-11-2020 02:52PM

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

So.
Everyone moaned when the ref missed fouls/goals/cheating in the past.
Now the technology is there to help the ref and make the correct decision.

It's a clear penalty as you say. So therefore no one should be moaning.

Is it because the penalty was against Liverpool? Is that the problem?

I couldn't care less who it was against. It's a clear penalty when you slow it down and show it in isolation.

That is not how games are refereed or how they should be or were ever officiated. Decisions in frames or fractions of a second are not helping the referee. Putting peer pressure on the referee to go to the screen is not helping the referee.

There is no correct decision - the ref interprets the laws of the game as he/she sees it. Chasing 'rules' which are black and white has brought us to technology. The laws - especially handball and offside have been butchered to fit the technology where there is no interpretation so that nobody accepts them anymore.

These decisions are now being given on the basis of what technology needs the 'rules' to be, not what a referee gives or the laws were designed for.

It is being refereed at two speeds - one in real time and one in slow motion.

28-11-2020 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Salah been huffing and puffing for a while now
He's overrated IMO

Actually think Mane is the better player

The stats say differently.

murpho999 · 28-11-2020 02:53PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Agree, they look so shaky in defence and salah didnt look one bit too happy. Interesting times ahead.

He didn't look happy?

He was happy when he scored.

Salah was not happy being subbed, which is always good to see.

The stuff people come up with.

Also a makeshift defence looking shaky is hardly shocking although I thought they did very well, especially Phillips.

rossie1977 · 28-11-2020 02:57PM

If Brighton had two goals disallowed by VAR and Liverpool given two penalties by VAR one in injury time I can just imagine the reaction from non Liverpool fans....

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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