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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    18 years ago in Ireland there was zero porn stars in Ireland, or glamour models, or Page 3 girls.. and zero smart phones.
    Claire Tully was one of the first irish topless model, and even that was shocking to so many. She had donations to charities thrown back in face because of who she was.

    But this generation of kids grew up with smartphones, they're watching hardcore porn from the moment they get a smartphone, and some kids get them at 7 or even younger. There is no control of the content on smartphones, so is it any wonder that a percentage of this generation are happy to do what they've been looking at on their smartphones.

    I can imagine a lot of those onlyfans models come from parents who happily threw their kid a smart phone at 7, and let them do what they wanted with it.The smartphone became the example to follow, not the parenting.


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    Gatling wrote: »
    It's not helping I'd say.

    You several twitter accounts making various claims of whats In this leaks including thousands of cp images and videos , nobody has come across anything online then the top guard says no cp found ,
    Have a little think and see if you can work out why evidence of child pornography hasn't been released into the public domain.
    banie01 wrote: »
    So the Gardaí are wrong and criminal activity in relation to this cache has occured?
    Well you'd better tell them then...
    Make them aware or do you need an explanation of what legislation the offender could be charged under?

    Andrew this has been explained to you multiple times.
    There was no lie, the sentence you have issue with has a qualifier.
    Go back and re-read a few times should you still not grasp it fully.

    Much like the Gardaí drawing an inference from someone's refusal to answer...
    Given how many times you refused to engage in whether you agreed Linda's actions were right.
    Inferring you agree with her actions is quite reasonable.
    If you wish to disavow me of the notion?
    Go back, pick any one of the multiple times you were asked and address it with something better than
    because condoning a possible violent reaction is a bit extreme.
    You dodged and diminished the possibility of a violent reaction from the parents everytime it was raised.
    So let's try this instead.

    What actual harm was imposed on the girls it is claimed that this boy shared images belonging to?
    I note that there is talk about mental trauma and self harm?

    Let's imagine the doxxed NZ boy's mother didn't "just give him a slap"?
    Let's imagine she labelled her child a sex abuser?
    It's not a huge leap to think he might spiral into depression or self harm is it?

    So I'll ask you again, what is your opinion of the actions Linda undertook in doxxing a child?

    As for how she tracked the child down, I do know you mentioned earlier perhaps it was via twitter?
    That may well be.
    The mechanics of the how are important however?

    If she parsed info such as usernames, twitter, web posting history and perhaps even an email header to lockdown the boys identity?
    That would be a quite impressive feat.
    No less wrong, and the problem I have with her undertaking it that way at all?
    Well, it's really down the wealth of talent brought to bear on the victimsalliance website.

    If however she obtained the IP from discord?
    Discord has only 2 ways to do that, without it being disclosed by discord on foot of warrant.
    1 is to trick the targeted user to open an IP grabber.
    The other is to be the server admin.

    So how the boy was located has a huge bearing on the whole story.
    But however she found him, from 12000 miles away she decided to identify and inform his family members of his alleged activity?
    Bit hypocritical, nah?

    Isn't that precisely what she's advocating against?
    So I'd like to know how she sourced the boys ID?
    I"d like to know how she ensured it was the boy and not someone else at the home address?
    I'd like to know why a victims rights activist chose to abuse a child in the same manner she is professing to be against.
    I'd like to know what due process she afforded the child before she undertook the doxxing?
    I'd like to know why if there was evidence to doxx a child?
    Why that evidence was not passed to NZ police for prosecution.
    One can't be a victims right advocate for one class of victim whilst victimising another.

    And not a lie regarding your opinions Andrew merely an observation.
    I could well be wrong, but unless you are "TonyDaDub"
    The Twitter link you posted without comment?

    Well buddy,... That was someone else's opinion wasn't it?

    Lies and more lies. So let's recap:
    - You lied about me saying that the NZ lad was asking for it
    - You lied about someone telling me what to post
    and now,
    - You lied about me condoning someone's actions.

    The simple fact is that I've said very little about the NZ issue, because, as explained above, I know very little about the NZ issue. You also appear to know very little about the NZ issue, but are quite happy to fantasise about your conspiracy theories around IP address tracking and more.

    I can only suggest that you might want to hold back until you actually know what you're talking about.

    And now, I'm not going to be bullied into 'disavow' anything. That's not how this works. You don't get to put words into my mouth and then force me to deny your fantastical claims.

    But please stop telling lies, so that the discussion can have some slight grip on reality.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    18 years ago in Ireland there was zero porn stars in Ireland, or glamour models, or Page 3 girls..
    The Sunday World was doing Page 3 girls from the 1970s, and local versions of the Brit tabloids followed on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    So when Im watching American porn on free to view sites illegally I am engaging in the act "revenge porn" and should be punished accordingly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Have a little think and see if you can work out why evidence of child pornography hasn't been released into the public domain.

    Because it's not there .

    Maybe take your own advice and actually think before making **** up


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    Gatling wrote: »
    Because it's not there .

    Maybe take your own advice and actually think before making **** up

    What specifically have I 'made up'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The Sunday World was doing Page 3 girls from the 1970s, and local versions of the Brit tabloids followed on.


    In full dress? No way was there topless girls in Sunday World in 70s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Have a little think and see if you can work out why evidence of child pornography hasn't been released into the public domain.

    Well the claimed CP was released to the Guards and upon review they have categorically stated there is none.
    So are they liars too?
    I mean you are the one who shared mickthehack's tweet confirming Harris stating there was no CP.
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1331648671759396865
    Did he lie about that? Did you?
    If there was CP in the cache, Harris' claim to the policing authority would be in error, or to use your preferred term "a lie"?
    “We’re aware of the circumstances. As yet we’ve had no actual complaints of image-based sexual abuse or coercion or harassment or such like. So there’s actually no crimes under investigation in this jurisdiction at this moment in time,” Mr Harris said.

    Is Drew continuing the old Garda tradition?
    Is this from your source?
    I'm sure you'll save all the girls tho, you keep up the good work and sharpen that sword.

    Lies and more lies. So let's recap:
    - You lied about me saying that the NZ lad was asking for it
    - You lied about someone telling me what to post
    and now,
    - You lied about me condoning someone's actions.

    The simple fact is that I've said very little about the NZ issue, because, as explained above, I know very little about the NZ issue. You also appear to know very little about the NZ issue, but are quite happy to fantasise about your conspiracy theories around IP address tracking and more.

    I can only suggest that you might want to hold back until you actually know what you're talking about.

    And now, I'm not going to be bullied into 'disavow' anything. That's not how this works. You don't get to put words into my mouth and then force me to deny your fantastical claims.

    But please stop telling lies, so that the discussion can have some slight grip on reality.

    You seriously have comprehension issues.
    Between calling me a liar after having the issue repeatedly and quite painstakingly explained to you.
    Claiming you are being bullied?
    If you believe any of the lying or bullying happened?
    That your name has been impugned?
    That you have been victimised?

    Asking your position, isn't bullying.
    Asking questions that your refusal to address gives rise to reasonable inference from, isn't bullying.
    I take the time to answer your questions, manners would assume the same would happen in reverse.

    Click on report, otherwise cop the fúck on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Triangle


    banie01 wrote: »
    Well the claimed CP was released to the Guards and upon review they have categorically stated there is none.
    So are they liars too?
    I mean you are the one who shared mickthehack's tweet confirming Harris stating there was no CP.
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1331648671759396865
    Did he lie about that? Did you?
    If there was CP in the cache, Harris' claim to the policing authority would be in error, or to use your preferred term "a lie"?


    Is Drew continuing the old Garda tradition?
    Is this from your source?
    I'm sure you'll save all the girls tho, you keep up the good work and sharpen that sword.




    You seriously have comprehension issues.
    Between calling me a liar after having the issue repeatedly and quite painstakingly explained to you.
    Claiming you are being bullied?
    If you believe any of the lying or bullying happened?
    That your name has been impugned?
    That you have been victimised?

    Asking your position, isn't bullying.
    Asking questions that your refusal to address gives rise to reasonable inference from, isn't bullying.
    I take the time to answer your questions, manners would assume the same would happen in reverse.

    Click on report, otherwise cop the fúck on.

    It's kind of like arguing with a trump supporter.

    The guards say there's no cp and no investigation yet he get his facts from twitter from someone with a vested interest.....

    It's better to just walk away and save your sanity 😉


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Triangle wrote: »
    It's kind of like arguing with a trump supporter.

    The guards say there's no cp and no investigation yet he get his facts from twitter from someone with a vested interest.....

    It's better to just walk away and save your sanity 😉

    I said that myself a few days ago, perhaps that was when I bullied him? ;)


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    In full dress? No way was there topless girls in Sunday World in 70s

    That's my memory. Not certain was it the World or the Irish versions of the Brit tabloids, but there was definitely Irish girls in there.

    Porn isn't really that new to Ireland.
    banie01 wrote: »
    Well the claimed CP was released to the Guards and upon review they have categorically stated there is none.
    So are they liars too?
    I mean you are the one who shared mickthehack's tweet confirming Harris stating there was no CP.
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1331648671759396865
    Did he lie about that? Did you?
    If there was CP in the cache, Harris' claim to the policing authority would be in error, or to use your preferred term "a lie"?


    Is Drew continuing the old Garda tradition?
    Is this from your source?
    I'm sure you'll save all the girls tho, you keep up the good work and sharpen that sword.




    You seriously have comprehension issues.
    Between calling me a liar after having the issue repeatedly and quite painstakingly explained to you.
    Claiming you are being bullied?
    If you believe any of the lying or bullying happened?
    That your name has been impugned?
    That you have been victimised?

    Asking your position, isn't bullying.
    Asking questions that your refusal to address gives rise to reasonable inference from, isn't bullying.
    I take the time to answer your questions, manners would assume the same would happen in reverse.

    Click on report, otherwise cop the fúck on.

    Are you still hiding behind your 'apparently'? The problem with that is, as you admitted yourself, you had nothing to base your inference on, as I had said nothing at all about the NZ lad, because, as I explained, I know nothing about what happened myself.

    In your desperation, you are now drawing 'inferences' from the things I haven't said, I might try that myself. You haven't said you're against paedophilia here so therefore I conclude that you're pro paedophilia. Care to disavow me?

    See how that works? Maybe you'd be better off concentrating on what I did say rather than what I didn't say.

    You're not a Garda, and I'm not charged with any crime. So you don't get to draw inferences on the things I haven't said.

    Have you worked out how the Gardai checked the 160k images and worked out the age of each person in the photo in 2 or 3 days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    banie01 wrote: »

    Can anyone confirm if a nude photos of someone under the age of 18 would be defined as "Child Sex Abuse Material" ?

    The term "Child Sex Abuse Material" to me suggests an image that shows a minor being abused - e.g. being sexually assaulted by an adult

    Surely a nude picture of a minor (a sexually suggestive one, not like the cover of the Nirvana album) would still be classed as CP?

    Basically, is there a distinction between CP and CSAM? Someone in the comments of the tweet is claiming that there is, but I don't know if that's the case. If so, there may very well be images of children among what the Garda are looking through. Would appreciate input from anyone who knows the legalities around this, as I reeeeaaaally don't want to Google either of those things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Are you still hiding behind your 'apparently'? The problem with that is, as you admitted yourself, you had nothing to base your inference on, as I had said nothing at all about the NZ lad, because, as I explained, I know nothing about what happened myself.

    It's not hiding Andrew, it's called a qualifying statement.
    Apparently you support the doxxing of a child, your effort to dodge the question everytime it's raised lend credence to that belief.
    Fairly basic English TBH.
    In your desperation, you are now drawing 'inferences' from the things I haven't said, I might try that myself. You haven't said you're against paedophilia here so therefore I conclude that you're pro paedophilia. Care to disavow me?
    Of course, disavowal follows.
    I do not support or condone paedophilia.
    Simple isn't it? You asked a question, and I answered.
    As I said earlier, I tend to at least try and answer the questions you pose ;)
    Manners innit! :)

    You're not a Garda, and I'm not charged with any crime. So you don't get to draw inferences on the things I haven't said.
    Funnily enough, I can.
    It's precisely how inference works.
    It's forming an opinion based on the evidence at hand, or in your particular case the lack of it.
    The difference between a Garda and I?
    A Garda can seek to have a court rely on inference implied by silence.
    But we aren't in court are we?
    We are playing semantics whilst you endlessly waffle and avoid answering whether or not you support a victims advocate doxxing a child.
    Have you worked out how the Gardai checked the 160k images and worked out the age of each person in the photo in 2 or 3 days?

    No onto concentrating on what you have said.
    Are you now claiming despite you being the one who originally posted the report that Drew Harris confirmed there was no Child Porn present?
    Yes or no will do.
    As it will for the query outstanding as to whether or not you support doxxing a child.
    Very straightforward, but given your comprehension issues I'm happy to offer any clarification you might need.

    This story https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/25/asia/korea-telegram-sex-crime-verdict-intl-hnk/index.html
    Illustrates the harm that sexual image abuse causes.
    It's abhorrent.
    That you think copyright infringement is on a par with that is fairly ridiculous.
    It's not even on the same planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Since it has been established that there was no CP in the dump even though the pushy rights groups tried to use that to collar the dump.
    And gardai have confirmed no one has made a complaint. What are the desperate rights groups going to do. They are so desperate for a complaint.


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    banie01 wrote: »
    It's not hiding Andrew, it's called a qualifying statement.
    Apparently you support the doxxing of a child, your effort to dodge the question everytime it's raised lend credence to that belief.
    Fairly basic English TBH.


    Of course, disavowal follows.
    I do not support or condone paedophilia.
    Simple isn't it? You asked a question, and I answered.
    As I said earlier, I tend to at least try and answer the questions you pose ;)
    Manners innit! :)



    Funnily enough, I can.
    It's precisely how inference works.
    It's forming an opinion based on the evidence at hand, or in your particular case the lack of it.
    The difference between a Garda and I?
    A Garda can seek to have a court rely on inference implied by silence.
    But we aren't in court are we?
    We are playing semantics whilst you endlessly waffle and avoid answering whether or not you support a victims advocate doxxing a child.



    No onto concentrating on what you have said.
    Are you now claiming despite you being the one who originally posted the report that Drew Harris confirmed there was no Child Porn present?
    Yes or no will do.
    As it will for the query outstanding as to whether or not you support doxxing a child.
    Very straightforward, but given your comprehension issues I'm happy to offer any clarification you might need.

    This story https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/25/asia/korea-telegram-sex-crime-verdict-intl-hnk/index.html
    Illustrates the harm that sexual image abuse causes.
    It's abhorrent.
    That you think copyright infringement is on a par with that is fairly ridiculous.
    It's not even on the same planet.

    Your apparent support for necrophilia is abhorrent. I don't know how you have the neck to show your face around here when you are clearly support screwing around with corpses.

    Once again, you have to go making up stuff that I didn't say so that you have something to argue with, about something being on a par with something else. Is that what they call strawmanning?

    And why haven't you answered the question about how Drew examined 160k photos in 3 days and worked out the ages of all those in the photos? I thought you were the guy who answered all questions, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Your apparent support for necrophilia is abhorrent. I don't know how you have the neck to show your face around here when you are clearly support screwing around with corpses.

    Once again, you have to go making up stuff that I didn't say so that you have something to argue with, about something being on a par with something else. Is that what they call strawmanning?

    And why haven't you answered the question about how Drew examined 160k photos in 3 days and worked out the ages of all those in the photos? I thought you were the guy who answered all questions, right?

    Had we discussed necrophilia?
    Had you repeatedly asked me for my opinion on it?
    Did I repeatedly deflect , rather than answer a question on that predilection?
    No, I didn't .
    Hence there was no apparent inference or support on my part for that particular philia.
    But just to head off any further misunderstanding on your part.

    No I don't support sexual contact with dead folk.

    What's your opinion of Linda doxxing a child?

    What lie are you adding to your count this time?

    160000 images in 3 days!
    How long did the victims alliance wait subsequent to breaking this story to actually hand over the cache then?
    How long did it take Linda and co to find the CP material when they looked?
    Given that material was apparently contained in a folder labelled "minors" it no doubt narrowed the search.
    Wouldn't you think?

    As for the Gardaí and their speed in checking.
    Automated file comparison tools to eliminate duplicates and then checking the results.

    So are you or are you not claiming that the Gardaí have lied regarding the cache not containing the CP material claimed?
    Try being definite, it would save people making their own minds up based on your lack of answers.

    Any comment on the actual image abuse story linked and how it compares to copyright infringement?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,481 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    So the long and the short of it is that this story was absolute bollocks?


  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So the long and the short of it is that this story was absolute bollocks?

    No, don't think there was many bollocks..it was mainly ladies apparently..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    So the long and the short of it is that this story was absolute bollocks?

    That, and half the thread is taken up with banie and Andrew arguing.

    I just scroll past their posts now, cos they’re just repeating the same stuff again and again and again and again and again and again and ag.......

    Oh you get the picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That, and half the thread is taken up with banie and Andrew arguing.

    I just scroll past their posts now, cos they’re just repeating the same stuff again and again and again and again and again and again and ag.......

    Oh you get the picture.

    Can't say you are too far wrong tbh.
    I'm sorry for my part in it, but his BS, white knighting and evasion do a massive disservice to actual victims and should not be left stand unchallenged.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,857 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Since it has been established that there was no CP in the dump even though the pushy rights groups tried to use that to collar the dump.
    And gardai have confirmed no one has made a complaint. What are the desperate rights groups going to do. They are so desperate for a complaint.

    They're taking a civil case, and of course there's a gofundme for the costs.......

    There's always an angle.....


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    banie01 wrote: »
    Had we discussed necrophilia?
    Had you repeatedly asked me for my opinion on it?
    Did I repeatedly deflect , rather than answer a question on that predilection?
    No, I didn't .
    Hence there was no apparent inference or support on my part for that particular philia.
    But just to head off any further misunderstanding on your part.

    No I don't support sexual contact with dead folk.

    What's your opinion of Linda doxxing a child?

    What lie are you adding to your count this time?

    160000 images in 3 days!
    How long did the victims alliance wait subsequent to breaking this story to actually hand over the cache then?
    How long did it take Linda and co to find the CP material when they looked?
    Given that material was apparently contained in a folder labelled "minors" it no doubt narrowed the search.
    Wouldn't you think?

    As for the Gardaí and their speed in checking.
    Automated file comparison tools to eliminate duplicates and then checking the results.

    So are you or are you not claiming that the Gardaí have lied regarding the cache not containing the CP material claimed?
    Try being definite, it would save people making their own minds up based on your lack of answers.

    Any comment on the actual image abuse story linked and how it compares to copyright infringement?

    Once again, your post seems to have only the most tenuous grip on reality.

    The fact remains, that we haven't been discussion the NZ situation. You've been banging on about it, and getting all excited about strange fantasies around IP address tracking. I've explained repeatedly that I know very little about it. I saw one Twitter thread, with one tweet deleted. That's as far as my knowledge goes.

    So no, I'm not going to comment on it.

    Is there some new rule around here that everyone has to comment on every possible aspect of every issue?

    This would be a good time for you to wind your neck in, stop your weak and futile attempts at bullying and browbeating, and give the question mark button on your keyboard a break before it disintegrates.

    You still didn't answer the question about the Garda, btw. 160k images, let's be generous and say 100k after deduping. How do you review and confirm the ages of the people in 100k images in 2 or 3 days please? The confirming of ages is a key point, as you've ignored that issue to date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,508 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    AndrewJRenko, don't post in this thread again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Looking at what's going on this morning, they have been badly let down by their naivety.

    Anyone who came forward to the Gardai to make a complaint, had no proof. They made a complaint their their image had been made public, but had nothing to back up the complaint except a dead link - an archive that had been deleted.

    Likewise the links that they sent on had mostly been deleted by the time the Gardai looked at them. This is where the discrepancy between their claimed 250,000 images and the Gardai's 10,000 has come from.

    I don't don't doubt the veracity of these complaints. I have no reason to. But it's the age-old of problem of, "If there's no evidence, there's no crime". It's like complaining that somebody stole your pie and ate it but nobody saw them do it. Even if you're not making it up, nobody can be convicted without proof.

    I don't see any particular grift here, they're just frustrated. They expected that;

    1. The links would remain live long enough for Gardai to access them
    2. Gardai would access them promptly
    3. Gardai would contact all of the individuals in the thousands of photos to ascertain the nature of them
    4. That complaints made without proof would still be robustly investigated

    All of which are very unreasonable, very naive assumptions to make. In their defence, the Gardai told them not to download the archives or look at them, to just send them on. But equally that was a ridiculous suggestion for the Garda to have made.

    Now you have a few gobsh1tes claiming that it's clearly a Garda cover-up because the Gardai were involved in distributing the images. It's more a combination of incompetence and naivety that's fvcked it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    seamus wrote: »
    Now you have a few gobsh1tes claiming that it's clearly a Garda cover-up because the Gardai were involved in distributing the images. It's more a combination of incompetence and naivety that's fvcked it up.

    And all this free publicity driving punters to OnlyFans pages:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,291 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I don't get why some woman would put herself out there for all to see on onlyfans.

    Like I get that some can make mega money - some tho. Most won't. It's saturated. So you're putting all these pics and vids out there for what, a couple of euro a month if you are lucky?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I don't get why some woman would put herself out there for all to see on onlyfans.

    Like I get that some can make mega money - some tho. Most won't. It's saturated. So you're putting all these pics and vids out there for what, a couple of euro a month if you are lucky?

    Because it's the belief that you can become rich and famous one girl here gave an interview saying she went from Minimum wage to 70k a 6 Month's or so and all she has to do is post videos and images ,
    As you said the place is saturated but to keep themselves making money and attracting new subscribers they will have to go further and further to Keep them coming back ands that's before they end up having to meet up for cash Jobs .

    It's a slippery slope


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    seamus wrote: »
    Looking at what's going on this morning, they have been badly let down by their naivety.


    1. The links would remain live long enough for Gardai to access them
    2. Gardai would access them promptly
    3. Gardai would contact all of the individuals in the thousands of photos to ascertain the nature of them
    4. That complaints made without proof would still be robustly investigated

    All of which are very unreasonable, very naive assumptions to make. In their defence, the Gardai told them not to download the archives or look at them, to just send them on. But equally that was a ridiculous suggestion for the Garda to have made.

    Now you have a few gobsh1tes claiming that it's clearly a Garda cover-up because the Gardai were involved in distributing the images. It's more a combination of incompetence and naivety that's fvcked it up.

    That's a great summary of the state of play currently.
    I'd probably add a caveat that no press release should have been issued whatsoever until the files, links and evidence were confirmed as assessed and evidenced by the Gardaí.

    A moral panic kicked off before any actual substantive investigation or review could be carried out.

    That gave a headstart to anyone seeking to take down files.
    I don't believe that it is totally an issue of links going dead though.
    The mega.nz file for instance is a torrent, only way it could have been viewed and assessed by victims alliance was by downloading the file.
    The same with anything on discord that was viewed, discord doesn't cache files it downloads directly to the recipient.

    The Gardaí no doubt wanted to ensure that in Victims Alliance to review files they didn't actually break the law by downloading or sharing CP in their effort.

    This highlights a serious issue with vigilantism.
    Identifying potentially illegal material and reporting to the authorities is a far more appropriate way of ensuring justice for victims.
    Making a declaration, and delaying handover of material is naive.
    A cooperative approach to report the material with help from the Women's and sexual abuse orgs would also have gone quite a long way towards ensuring Garda accountability around the report, the material submitted and Victim support.

    The one other thing I'd really add is that a victim centred approach is needed for all such instances.
    Identification, support and then even more support for those victims.
    Report, ensure transparency and accountability for the process and ensure that Gardaí and all support services ensure that those identified, even if not victims of criminal behaviour.
    Are made aware of the material and supported in their dealing with it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭sasta le


    So if I see a attractive 20 year olds photo in a slutty/sultry/raunchy pose from Facebook or Instagram...what law is broken?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,458 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    sasta le wrote: »
    So if I see a attractive 20 year olds photo in a slutty pose from Facebook or Instagram...what law is broken?

    A slutty pose?


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