Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Hulk Hands · 26-11-2020 05:34PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You can't teach these people. He's been told many, many times that NPHET is an advisory group who make recommendations to the government and don't make any decisions but he still goes on posting his ideas about NPHET.

If only they were a mere advisory group. Leaks to the media, "concern" over the governments plan, lecturing tweets to the public.

Christ above, would they just submit their recommendation, answer any questions asked of them and then leave and shut their mouths. You'd swear they were a political party the way they're acting

MD1990 · 26-11-2020 05:35PM

YURTSAN wrote: »

Does anyone really care if we have a short lockdown in January if hospitality is allowed to open till then. Nobody likes January anyway?

People will die from the increased spread of the virus in December.

Why not wait a few months till the vaccine?

26-11-2020 05:37PM

Mobility data is interesting. Level 5 only had a minor impact on the number of people going to work. Mid-term was much larger. We are told level 5 has resulted in only kids being out and about, yet if journeys to work are only down 23% on average compared to the baseline. Most people are still going to work

kwestfan08 · 26-11-2020 05:41PM

MD1990 wrote: »

People will die from the increased spread of the virus in December.

Why not wait a few months till the vaccine?

Because there's no timeline for if/when you can get your vaccine. You could be talking another 12 months. People are sick being cooped up and are just looking for a little sliver of normality around Christmas to meet with people they may not have seen in months.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 05:47PM

YURTSAN wrote: »

Does anyone really care if we have a short lockdown in January if hospitality is allowed to open till then. Nobody likes January anyway?

It sounds ok in theory but if it inevitably leads to illness and death, you'd wonder what the cost will be.

NunianVonFuch · 26-11-2020 05:51PM

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Because there's no timeline for if/when you can get your vaccine. You could be talking another 12 months. People are sick being cooped up and are just looking for a little sliver of normality around Christmas to meet with people they may not have seen in months.

We're due to get more information on the vaccine rollout by December 11th to be fair.
https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-taskforce-2-5276103-Nov2020/

BringBackMick · 26-11-2020 05:52PM

Just off the phone with uncle in the industry.

Says MM is seriously concerned about going against NPHET.... wants to make any opening of hospitality as strict as possible but with allowing something open.

It is reckoned they won't make a decision on opening them until next week with a hope to open gastro pubs/restaurants on 14 December , only if case number remain stable.

Seems like an incredible position to kick the can again but that's the latest.

eagle eye · 26-11-2020 05:52PM

Deleted User wrote:

It wasn't decided what way the virus behaves in March and everything is set in stone forever.

No response from you as regards the link you requested input up again.
Nothing to say about that?

is_that_so · 26-11-2020 05:53PM

YURTSAN wrote: »

Does anyone really care if we have a short lockdown in January if hospitality is allowed to open till then. Nobody likes January anyway?

It's now been flagged in advance, but needs to be moderately short, 3-4 weeks max. Assuming vaccine approvals, it will also need to be accompanied by a plan to roll out vaccinations.

YURTSAN · 26-11-2020 05:53PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It sounds ok in theory but if it inevitably leads to illness and death, you'd wonder what the cost will be.

Yeah I understand the other side.

In theory I could walk outside my front door and slip and break my neck. Should I be afraid to go outside.

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 05:56PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Just off the phone with uncle in the industry.

Says MM is seriously concerned about going against NPHET.... wants to make any opening of hospitality as strict as possible but with allowing something open.

It is reckoned they won't make a decision on opening them until next week with a hope to open gastro pubs/restaurants on 14 December , only if case number remain stable.

Seems like an incredible position to kick the can again but that's the latest.

No offence to your uncle but they'll decide tomorrow. The 14th gives 1 trading weekend to Christmas, that just won't happen. The plan has been widely leaked all week and whatever they say about meeting tomorrow etc its basically already decided sure Leo couldn't keep his mouth shut yesterday. They know well and have done for a few days id say what they're going to do.

We're going to have this speculation for another 24hrs but the NPHET advice as per multiple journalists was expected and no shock to anyone in government, the line of NPHET advise we decide is being widely used again.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 05:57PM

YURTSAN wrote: »

Yeah I understand the other side.

In theory I could walk outside my front door and slip and break my neck. Should I be afraid to go outside.

All risk is relative. I think people forget that with a highly infectious disease other people's behaviour has an influence on that level of risk too.

There has been the ''stay at home if you're afraid'' crowd. People still have to work, go food shopping etc and there's a difference in relative risk depending on how high community transmission is. In summer when we opened up cases nationally were down to single digits.

The case level now is lot better than 1,000s but still in 200s. That makes a difference to overall risk level plus mixture of Christmas, alcohol, people meeting up etc.

eagle eye · 26-11-2020 05:59PM

Hulk Hands wrote:

If only they were a mere advisory group. Leaks to the media, "concern" over the governments plan, lecturing tweets to the public.

Christ above, would they just submit their recommendation, answer any questions asked of them and then leave and shut their mouths. You'd swear they were a political party the way they're acting

Who started the leaks to the media? Leo Varadkar and multiple unidentified government sources.
NPHET were made to look very bad by them. They came out and were adamant that there was no leak in their side. Most people realised it was coming from the government. Then the government did it again. It doesn't surprise me that NPHET are now leaking stuff to protect themselves.

Gael23 · 26-11-2020 05:59PM

Who’s going to win the latest government/nphet standoff?

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 06:00PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

January is a voluntary lockdown for many people when it comes to bars and restaurants! This winter would probably be different though.

I think there's a fairly big psychological difference between choosing to have a quiet January (especially after what's usually a normal Christmas other years) vs people being under restrictions though and having that choice removed them. That's probably why restrictions are so tough because autonomy is curtailed to a large degree.

blade1 · 26-11-2020 06:00PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Who’s going to win the latest government/nphet standoff?

Government calls the shots.
As always.

is_that_so · 26-11-2020 06:01PM

blade1 wrote: »

Government calls the shots.
As always.

Yep, NPHET are advising on the predetermined political decision to reopen, not if we should.

Gael23 · 26-11-2020 06:01PM

blade1 wrote: »

Government calls the shots.
As always.

I imagine the political pressure to open restaurants is quite high

Peter Flynt · 26-11-2020 06:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It wasn't decided what way the virus behaves in March and everything is set in stone forever.

I think the fact that a million kids are in school and hundreds of thousands more people are travelling to work every day now than were in April/May, yet cases are falling at only a slightly slower rate than back then tells you all you need to know.

They didn't close their schools in March. Some countries reopened and closed again (Israel, South Korea, Greece, Czech Republic, Italy) and some went online (some German states) and others stayed shut (New York, California).

But all they had to do was listen to your wisdom.

Why do you think they are not doing so?

Rrrrrr2 · 26-11-2020 06:23PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Who started the leaks to the media? Leo Varadkar and multiple unidentified government sources.
NPHET were made to look very bad by them. They came out and were adamant that there was no leak in their side. Most people realised it was coming from the government. Then the government did it again. It doesn't surprise me that NPHET are now leaking stuff to protect themselves.

Nphet are scum

What Username Guidelines · 26-11-2020 06:24PM

Eod100 wrote: »

All risk is relative. I think people forget that with a highly infectious disease other people's behaviour has an influence on that level of risk too.

There has been the ''stay at home if you're afraid'' crowd. People still have to work, go food shopping etc and there's a difference in relative risk depending on how high community transmission is. In summer when we opened up cases nationally were down to single digits.

The case level now is lot better than 1,000s but still in 200s. That makes a difference to overall risk level plus mixture of Christmas, alcohol, people meeting up etc.

Yes, but what if I don't like what you're saying even though it's correct. I'd like to pretend everything is perfectly normal.

Benimar · 26-11-2020 06:26PM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Nphet are scum

Disgraceful comment.

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 06:27PM

NPHET want pubs and restaurants takeaway only, concerns over shopping centres oh and for travel to remain only within your county.

Essentially they disagree with every aspect of the government's plan.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/restaurants-and-pubs-should-only-be-allowed-to-offer-takeaway-over-christmas-nphet-says-39796129.html

Mitch Connor · 26-11-2020 06:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET want pubs and restaurants takeaway only, concerns over shopping centres oh and for travel to remain only within your county.

Essentially they disagree with every aspect of the government's plan.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/restaurants-and-pubs-should-only-be-allowed-to-offer-takeaway-over-christmas-nphet-says-39796129.html

I thought the govt. plan was also for travel within county only still - with the plan to remove that restriction in a couple of weeks?

manniot2 · 26-11-2020 06:29PM

So the point of the last 6 weeks was what exactly?

Stheno · 26-11-2020 06:30PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET want pubs and restaurants takeaway only, concerns over shopping centres oh and for travel to remain only within your county.

Essentially they disagree with every aspect of the government's plan.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/restaurants-and-pubs-should-only-be-allowed-to-offer-takeaway-over-christmas-nphet-says-39796129.html

Thats not even level 4 is it? Its level 4.5 with the shopping centres

26-11-2020 06:30PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET want pubs and restaurants takeaway only, concerns over shopping centres oh and for travel to remain only within your county.

Essentially they disagree with every aspect of the government's plan.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/restaurants-and-pubs-should-only-be-allowed-to-offer-takeaway-over-christmas-nphet-says-39796129.html

Travel within your own county is unfathomable in December, zero basis in reality.

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 06:30PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I thought the govt. plan was also for travel within county only still - with the plan to remove that restriction in a couple of weeks?

Yeah NPHET appear to not even want that

Stheno · 26-11-2020 06:31PM

manniot2 wrote: »

So the point of the last 6 weeks was what exactly?

Another six weeks of more or less the same?

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 06:31PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET want pubs and restaurants takeaway only, concerns over shopping centres oh and for travel to remain only within your county.

Essentially they disagree with every aspect of the government's plan.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/restaurants-and-pubs-should-only-be-allowed-to-offer-takeaway-over-christmas-nphet-says-39796129.html

NPHET didn't even want to open up back in June so I'm not surprised.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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