Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

MerlinSouthDub · 26-11-2020 03:56PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

There is logic to that suggestion but many might never open again as they will have missed a vital trading month and lots of people don't have money after Christmas for January which is why it's usually so quiet

Just like last time the longer they are left closed the harder it is to reopen them again as well

True. I would fully support giving them grants (big ones) to keep them in business. Opening and closing and opening again is just a mess I think

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 03:57PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

My take on reopening the pubs/restaurants is that they should wait until January. What is the point in opening them and then having to close them a month later. If we wait a bit longer, we might get no Covid spike over Christmas and then the pubs/restaurants might get a good run at it in the new year. They might even never have to close again, if it lines up with the vaccine getting rolled out.

Pubs and restaurants wouldn't have a hope of opening January if they keep closed now.

There'll be a spike regardless at Christmas, people will socialise anyway, if its not going to be in a restaurant or gastro pub its going to be in a house. I know of plenty who've followed the restrictions but they've made plans to meet people in a restaurant or gastro pub and all have said they'll be meeting people either way. Thats just my own experience of what I'm seeing from friends and family.

People can say oh they don't have to meet but we all know its going to happen regardless

26-11-2020 03:57PM

hmmm wrote: »

Who is thinking about those of who won't be "having a bit of of sesh"? We have to endure months of extended lockdowns because a relatively small group of people want to socialise & party during December? Along with who knows how much extra deaths and suffering?

Reopening hospitality in December is pretty much guaranteeing a need for another lockdown in the new year and the government knows it. Are the vintners that important, that allowing them to reopen for a few weeks is potentially worth an extra few months of Level 5?

Pay off the vintners, I've no problem with this it's not their fault we have a dangerous virus circulating. Tell them to remain closed until vaccine distribution is in full swing.

It is definitely not a relatively small number of people

Again, so lets not reopen because reopening forces us to close again? So stay closed? That logic is an utter non-runner

MerlinSouthDub · 26-11-2020 03:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pubs and restaurants wouldn't have a hope of opening January if they keep closed now.

There'll be a spike regardless at Christmas, people will socialise anyway, if its not going to be in a restaurant or gastro pub its going to be in a house. I know of plenty who've followed the restrictions but they've made plans to meet people in a restaurant or gastro pub and all have said they'll be meeting people either way.

The difference with pubs and restaurants versus house gatherings is that random strangers come into contact in pubs/restaurants. This multiplies the risks I think.

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 03:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

people will socialise anyway, if its not going to be in a restaurant or gastro pub its going to be in a house. I know of plenty who've followed the restrictions but they've made plans to meet people in a restaurant or gastro pub and all have said they'll be meeting people either way.

100%

I would have thought NPHET and the government would know that anyway

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 04:00PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The difference with pubs and restaurants versus house gatherings is that random strangers come into contact in pubs/restaurants. This multiplies the risks I think.

Never been to a house gathering where random people turn up ??

Personally I'd rather be somewhere that's taking contact information that a house when your trying to remember who showed up

screamer · 26-11-2020 04:04PM

Was in a restaurant for a 3 course meal in August. Never again, 90 minutes to swallow it and run, heartburn for the evening. So, whilst those restrictions remain in place, I won’t be bothered.
As for Nphet, they’d keep us locked down indefinitely if they could until the vaccine arrives. Christmas will see people do as they please, and much like Chinese New Year, we’ll see a massive rise in cases because of that. It’s inevitable. Government really caught between a rock and hard place and I hope for all our sake they’ve been making contingency plans on how to increase the ICU capacity for Mid January

FinglasFollain · 26-11-2020 04:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pubs and restaurants wouldn't have a hope of opening January if they keep closed now.

There'll be a spike regardless at Christmas, people will socialise anyway, if its not going to be in a restaurant or gastro pub its going to be in a house. I know of plenty who've followed the restrictions but they've made plans to meet people in a restaurant or gastro pub and all have said they'll be meeting people either way. Thats just my own experience of what I'm seeing from friends and family.

People can say oh they don't have to meet but we all know its going to happen regardless

Absolutely spot on. A spike and subsequent lockdown will happen regardless of whether hospitality reopens or not. We’ve been told this. It’s not going to be a case off “you didn’t behave, we’re locking you down again”. Although that might be the spin.

If restaurants don’t open, people will go elsewhere. I know of hospital staff organising a Xmas party with them all staying over in a hotel to drink. I know schools and offices planning them on site. Their logic is they work together anyway in less than ideal environments. Who am I to judge?

Some boardsies might think shuttering restaurants will save us from disaster, all it might do is delay things by a week or so, but it’s just the latest in a long, long list of things to blame. Eventually, we’ll be going down the road of blaming people for wanting human contact that doesn’t involve masks or distancing.

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 04:07PM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

Absolutely spot on. A spike and subsequent lockdown will happen regardless of whether hospitality reopens or not. We’ve been told this. It’s not going to be a case off “you didn’t behave, we’re locking you down again”. Although that might be the spin.

If restaurants don’t open, people will go elsewhere. I know of hospital staff organising a Xmas party with them all staying over in a hotel to drink. I know schools and offices planning them on site. Their logic is they work together anyway in less than ideal environments. Who am I to judge?

Some boardsies might think shuttering restaurants will save us from disaster, all it might do is delay things by a week or so, but it’s just the latest in a long, long list of things to blame. Eventually, we’ll be going down the road of blaming people for wanting human contact that doesn’t involve masks or distancing.

Funny you should mention hospital staff doing that, I know of HSE staff doing the same, have a few rooms booked in a hotel.

MerlinSouthDub · 26-11-2020 04:09PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Never been to a house gathering where random people turn up ??

Yes, but every pub will have random strangers turn up. Far from every house party will have random people turn up.

seamus · 26-11-2020 04:12PM

Positive number good: 271.

Positivity Rate, not great: 3.38%

Number of tests, bad: 8,019

I've not really much more to say on it. It's technically a decent result today, but the test numbers too low to be optimistic or pessimistic.

It's the lowest number of tests since 11th October

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 04:14PM

270 swabs from 8,019 tests.

Quite a low number of tests.
Based on HSE testing and contact tracing data theres been less than 5k community referrals for the past 2 days and swabs taken yesterday well below 10k, lowest taken on a week day in quite a while.

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 04:16PM

seamus wrote: »

Positive number good: 271.

Positivity Rate, not great: 3.38%

Number of tests, bad: 8,019

I've not really much more to say on it. It's technically a decent result today, but the test numbers too low to be optimistic or pessimistic.

Can't test what's not coming forward I guess. Demand down on the below charts, swabs yesterday lowest weekday in a while, more in line with weekends that anything else.

Community referrals a bit below 5k last two days

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-26-november-2020.pdf

BringBackMick · 26-11-2020 04:19PM

Saw some people coughing badly today at bus stops etc....Is it rude to say something to them?

lemonkey · 26-11-2020 04:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pubs and restaurants wouldn't have a hope of opening January if they keep closed now.

There'll be a spike regardless at Christmas, people will socialise anyway, if its not going to be in a restaurant or gastro pub its going to be in a house. I know of plenty who've followed the restrictions but they've made plans to meet people in a restaurant or gastro pub and all have said they'll be meeting people either way. Thats just my own experience of what I'm seeing from friends and family.

People can say oh they don't have to meet but we all know its going to happen regardless

I'm one of those who have followed the restrictions religiously. So much so I haven't seen most my friends in nearly a year. Lads are different to girls in the way that most of meeting up revolves around sports & drinking.

The government missed a trick here. If they opened the pubs under heavy restrictions they would have some type of control over it. Whereas if they close the pubs, people are going to go to houses drinking and there is no control or social distancing.

As soon as I'm out the door of work come Christmas week I'm going to the first Friends house I'm invited to, with drink under my arm.

is_that_so · 26-11-2020 04:22PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Saw some people coughing badly today at bus stops etc....Is it rude to say something to them?

How would you respond yourself to someone commenting on your coughing? People cough for many reasons. Staying away from any risk real or imaginary is the best approach.

Widdensushi · 26-11-2020 04:24PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Saw some people coughing badly today at bus stops etc....Is it rude to say something to them?

They should be handing out bells to anyone that coughs

kwinabeeste · 26-11-2020 04:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Can't test what's not coming forward I guess. Demand down on the below charts, swabs yesterday lowest weekday in a while, more in line with weekends that anything else.

Community referrals a bit below 5k last two days

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-26-november-2020.pdf

The hospitals account for over 50% of the days swabs based off the data on hub. it was as low at 22% on Nov 2. So as less non hospital swabs (community) are being tested it's more targeted or hosptial acquired swabs being positive and good news with low community cases? Unless there is the breakdown of the positive cases by hospital non hospital cant confirm that tho

seamus · 26-11-2020 04:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Can't test what's not coming forward I guess.

That's true.
If we ignore positivity rates, the actual number of positive swabs is still, by all metrics, on a continuous downward trend.

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 04:30PM

The lack of community referrals and low testing yet high-ish numbers still suggests that the majority of cases aren't coming from community referrals.
If there was high volume of disease in the community then there would be more community referrals.

BringBackMick · 26-11-2020 04:31PM

Places on the continent have about 20%+ positivity rates,

We are doing much better than we give ourselves credit for. And we deserve a bit of a break as a reward

bb1234567 · 26-11-2020 04:34PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Saw some people coughing badly today at bus stops etc....Is it rude to say something to them?

Say what? They may well have already been tested negative and just have a cough from another illness. I don't think there's any justification for it just because it makes you uncomfortable. Maybe I'm not cynical enough but I'd like to believe there's not really anybody who would choose to take public transport while symptomatic before being tested, so I don't think I'd ever feel compelled to say something to anybody like that

RonaVirus · 26-11-2020 04:35PM

screamer wrote: »

Was in a restaurant for a 3 course meal in August. Never again, 90 minutes to swallow it and run, heartburn for the evening. So, whilst those restrictions remain in place, I won’t be bothered.

90mins? I usually have a plate of food down in under a minute.

thelad95 · 26-11-2020 04:42PM

I was as pro-lockdown as could possibly be and was actually supportive of level 5 but with a vaccine just around the corner, I think the continued demonisation and vilfication of the hospitality industry needs to stop.

Time to throw the modelling and "what-if" scenarios out the window and give publicans a chance to open safely. They have been unbelievably patient and were one of the first to voluntarily shut their doors and have been treated like dirt ever since, even being patronisingly referred to as "wet-pubs" by people with no knowledge of the hospitality industry.

Allow them to open safely and be done with it, they've been fed a pup for way way too long.

blowitupref · 26-11-2020 04:46PM

seamus wrote: »

Positive number good: 271.

Positivity Rate, not great: 3.38%

Number of tests, bad: 8,019

I've not really much more to say on it. It's technically a decent result today, but the test numbers too low to be optimistic or pessimistic.

It's the lowest number of tests since 11th October

Would expect under 200 positive swabs for 8k tests. The 7 day positivity has increased slightly from 2.7 to 2.8

Hopefully this evenings reported case number is no higher than the swab count. Giving us a seven day average of 287 cases per day or lower. Last Thursday it was 421.

Good news on the hospital situation. At the start of the week 292 required treatment and that's down to 247 as of this morning.

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 04:49PM

Don't suppose there's a NPHET briefing this evening?

Peter Flynt · 26-11-2020 05:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You see, increasingly the expert view is schools are not hotspots. Dont just read the linked article. There are numerous studies linked

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02973-3

"Increasingly the expert view. . . "

The facts have long since been established.

Why don't you contact the Chancellor of Austria, the Governor of New York or the Prime Minister of Greece with your "increasingly the expert view" opinions?

I'm sure they'll be delighted to ditch their experts and take on your views to get their schools open?

26-11-2020 05:25PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

"Increasingly the expert view. . . "

The facts have long since been established.

Why don't you contact the Chancellor of Austria, the Governor of New York or the Prime Minister of Greece with your "increasingly the expert view" opinions?

I'm sure they'll be delighted to ditch their experts and take on your views to get their schools open?

It wasn't decided what way the virus behaves in March and everything is set in stone forever.

I think the fact that a million kids are in school and hundreds of thousands more people are travelling to work every day now than were in April/May, yet cases are falling at only a slightly slower rate than back then tells you all you need to know.

YURTSAN · 26-11-2020 05:30PM

Does anyone really care if we have a short lockdown in January if hospitality is allowed to open till then. Nobody likes January anyway?

odyssey06 · 26-11-2020 05:33PM

YURTSAN wrote: »

Does anyone really care if we have a short lockdown in January if hospitality is allowed to open till then. Nobody likes January anyway?

January is a voluntary lockdown for many people when it comes to bars and restaurants! This winter would probably be different though.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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