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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #5732
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    RTE use that as an excuse (people not watching live tv) when it really only relates to the younger audience, go from the 35+ age bracket and they still spend a considerable amount of time watching live tv - not necessarily RTe as there is very little there to interest anyone under 50 apart from the news and programs like Prime Time/Clair Byrne (which have become dumbed down versions of what they used to be like)
    The younger population have almost zero interest in RTE period, I'm not young and have zero interest as well


  • #5733
    FGR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭FGR


    fritzelly wrote: »
    programs like Prime Time/Clair Byrne (which have become dumbed down versions of what they used to be like)

    I only noticed this recently. Questions and Answers and even the Frontline program were far more in depth and complex. Prime Time is also a shadow of its former self.

    Not to mention Vincent Browne over on VM :pac:

    Catering to the largest volume of viewers makes sense...but dumbing down current affairs is the opposite of what a mature viewer/savvy younger viewer would want?


  • #5734
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    FGR wrote: »
    I only noticed this recently. Questions and Answers and even the Frontline program were far more in depth and complex. Prime Time is also a shadow of its former self.

    Not to mention Vincent Browne over on VM :pac:

    Catering to the largest volume of viewers makes sense...but dumbing down current affairs is the opposite of what a mature viewer/savvy younger viewer would want?

    Even tho Questions and Answers pre-prepped the politicians, it was still a Damn sight better than the s**t that's served up now.

    I think, ever since the Prime Time investigates disasters (the one's that resulted in lawsuits and payouts) RTE have become very wary. Almost terrified of doing the hard work.

    Vincent Brown was interesting. Much better than Matt cooper or Ivan Yates.
    Not afraid to rip idiots to pieces either.

    But he couldn't keep going, sadly.


  • #5735
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    FGR wrote: »
    I only noticed this recently. Questions and Answers and even the Frontline program were far more in depth and complex. Prime Time is also a shadow of its former self.

    Not to mention Vincent Browne over on VM :pac:

    Catering to the largest volume of viewers makes sense...but dumbing down current affairs is the opposite of what a mature viewer/savvy younger viewer would want?
    It is not only RTE, that viewers complain about the dumbing down.
    Look at the comments section of this ITV program from 1980.




  • #5736
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    It is not only RTE, that viewers complain about the dumbing down.
    Look at the comments section of this ITV program from 1980.

    TBH don't see anything special in that YT clip that isn't still done now - the troubles was an easy and ever present issue that would always be in the news at the time to do documentaries about and be of interest to people

    The BBC/ITV/C4 still have hard hitting documentaries (C4 do some very good ones, ITV probably less so). Must admit I'm a sucker for watching Rip off Britain as a bit of mindless entertainment but still serves a public interest that has no equivalent in Ireland bar at a very long stretch Liveline on the odd occasion death is not the main driver of the program

    Cannot remember the last one RTE did - even the latest greyhound episode (lauded as an "expose") was exposed years ago so hardly breaking news. Even the nursing home scandals was out in the public but never spoken of...
    Very easy to go after easy targets but in reality RTE are not exposing anything just putting more forefront in peoples eyes
    RTE do not have any real investigative journalists - stuff is only exposed from guys working in the print media


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  • #5737
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    fritzelly wrote: »
    TBH don't see anything special in that YT clip that isn't still done now - the troubles was an easy and ever present issue that would always be in the news at the time to do documentaries about and be of interest to people

    The BBC/ITV/C4 still have hard hitting documentaries (C4 do some very good ones, ITV probably less so). Must admit I'm a sucker for watching Rip off Britain as a bit of mindless entertainment but still serves a public interest that has no equivalent in Ireland bar at a very long stretch Liveline on the odd occasion death is not the main driver of the program

    Cannot remember the last one RTE did - even the latest greyhound episode (lauded as an "expose") was exposed years ago so hardly breaking news. Even the nursing home scandals was out in the public but never spoken of...
    Very easy to go after easy targets but in reality RTE are not exposing anything just putting more forefront in peoples eyes
    RTE do not have any real investigative journalists - stuff is only exposed from guys working in the print media

    Agreed on the 'exposes'... they've become embarrassingly recycled and second hand.

    Before he flamed out, spectacularly, Eddie Hobbs had his 'Rip-Off Republic' which managed to go from 'cheap filler RTE program' to 'Sleeper hit phenomenon' for RTE.
    If I remember correctly, it went from a couple hundred thousand viewers, to over 1.3 million viewers for its final episode.

    (Of course, the follow up show, 'Ways to spend your SSIA' was a flop. Sums up Eddie Hobbs tv career, really.)

    Hobbs tapped into a genuine anger that is, palpable, to this day, over how Ireland was becoming far too expensive. And this was before the boom went to total bust.
    (Kind of like where we are now, similarly).

    But that wasn't really investigative. The latest 'Eir expose'... folks could have told you about that many, many years ago.
    You only have to go on Eir's facebook page to see customers showing the s**t quality product, and even sh***er quality customer service.

    That's sort of the issue with much of the Prime Time investigations... they're stuff the dogs on the street know about.
    Or better journos have covered the issue.

    RTE used to be leading the way. But you can see the cutbacks and budget cuts at RTE right now.


  • #5738
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Separate post for a separate topic.

    Remember the big f**king hooplah the likes of Louise O'Neill made about a facebook group where women's images were being shared? The one that turned out to not exist?

    You'd think 'Investigative journalists' would have learned.

    Instead, for the last week or so, we've been hearing about a 'website' where 'thousands of images of women, including underage girls' were distributed, and accessed by men...'slut shaming' if you will.
    Calling on the government to act, new laws to be put in place etc etc etc...

    It was even mentioned on the Week in Politics, went all over twitter.

    Gardai have found ZERO evidence of this website...

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/1125/1180498-garda-commissioner-images/

    This is just irresponsible, lazy, and scary fearmongering from a supposed national broadcaster.


  • #5739
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    This image pops up when I open up the RTE Radio app to catch the early news on Morning Ireland:

    00155af2-531.jpg


    Not a diverse bunch, are they, RTE? Unless diversity means something else at RTE. I find them to be very hypocritical. On the one hand chastising us, demonising us, telling us what to do, and on the other hand many at RTE are becoming very wealthy at our expense, and treating rules, regulations, guidelines etc. as something for us (the plebs) and not for them (the patricians).


  • #5740
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmcc wrote: »
    The problem with Saorview is the audience size. The bulk of the population in Ireland is in cities with cable TV. It might be a good way to help grow Saorview but that gets into the whole Saorsat problem where RTE decided to put Saorview on a different satellite compared to the Astra satellites.

    Saorsat is not a "problem" it's a "solution".

    The vast majority of the country can receive Saorview DTT, Saorsat was put in place to the cater for the minority that couldn't.


  • #5741
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    FGR wrote: »
    I only noticed this recently. Questions and Answers and even the Frontline program were far more in depth and complex. Prime Time is also a shadow of its former self.

    Not to mention Vincent Browne over on VM :pac:

    Catering to the largest volume of viewers makes sense...but dumbing down current affairs is the opposite of what a mature viewer/savvy younger viewer would want?

    Vincent was probably the best of both worlds in that his combative style was very entertaining and brought in good viewer numbers but it wasnt completely dumbed down either mainly due to the vast knowledge of current affairs by Browne himself. He would often be quoting the constitution or some obscure legal case from decades back when making his points. In many ways it was educational along with the sh1t hitting the fan at regular intervals.

    Would agree that Prime Time is a shadow of its former self. I find it hard to believe Miriam is getting 300k a year to read off a teleprompter in 30 second segments. Thats all she does really, introduce some video package for 30 seconds and then kick back for 10 minutes, do it again for the next segment and then again for the programs conclusion. Shes just a presenter who reads off a teleprompter, shes not a journalist. Its astonishing she is on 300k for the little work she does.


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  • #5742
    rightmove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭rightmove


    Kivaro wrote: »

    Not a diverse bunch, .

    diversity in rte means white middle class women telling everyone they are great and men are ****s (you need to create an enemy). Problem is the content and visuals just reflect their wormhole and everyone else has to pay for it.


  • #5743
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Vincent was probably the best of both worlds in that his combative style was very entertaining and brought in good viewer numbers but it wasnt completely dumbed down either mainly due to the vast knowledge of current affairs by Browne himself. He would often be quoting the constitution or some obscure legal case from decades back when making his points. In many ways it was educational along with the sh1t hitting the fan at regular intervals.

    Would agree that Prime Time is a shadow of its former self. I find it hard to believe Miriam is getting 300k a year to read off a teleprompter in 30 second segments. Thats all she does really, introduce some video package for 30 seconds and then kick back for 10 minutes, do it again for the next segment and then again for the programs conclusion. Shes just a presenter who reads off a teleprompter, shes not a journalist. Its astonishing she is on 300k for the little work she does.

    Claire Byrne on 200K+ (She was on 217K about two years ago,soon as the figures are released, I'm sure she got a pay increase.) is an absolute insult in my eyes.

    Her TV show is The DailyMail, but dumbed down for idiots. I've no intention of listening to her on the radio.
    I genuinely think she's one of the biggest hacks in RTE, and one of the worst journalists I've ever seen.


  • #5744
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    Claire Byrne on 200K+ (She was on 217K about two years ago,soon as the figures are released, I'm sure she got a pay increase.) is an absolute insult in my eyes.

    Her TV show is The DailyMail, but dumbed down for idiots. I've no intention of listening to her on the radio.
    I genuinely think she's one of the biggest hacks in RTE, and one of the worst journalists I've ever seen.
    She's not a journalist, she's a presenter!


  • #5745
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    Gardai have found ZERO evidence of this website...

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/1125/1180498-garda-commissioner-images/

    This is just irresponsible, lazy, and scary fearmongering from a supposed national broadcaster.


    anyone know the victims group
    A victims' group had reported...

    Which victims' group?


  • #5746
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Kivaro wrote: »
    This image pops up when I open up the RTE Radio app to catch the early news on Morning Ireland:

    00155af2-531.jpg


    Not a diverse bunch, are they, RTE? Unless diversity means something else at RTE. I find them to be very hypocritical. On the one hand chastising us, demonising us, telling us what to do, and on the other hand many at RTE are becoming very wealthy at our expense, and treating rules, regulations, guidelines etc. as something for us (the plebs) and not for them (the patricians).

    Both RTE and Virgin have gone female mad on their main news shows. Both outlets are well beyond majority female. It's funny that their form of equality is just flipping the previous dominance of men. Male dominance= sexist, female dominance= equality.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #5747
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,153 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Elmo wrote: »
    anyone know the victims group



    Which victims' group?

    Victim's Rights Alliance

    https://www.independent.ie/news/the-lowest-of-the-low-hundreds-of-thousands-of-intimate-images-of-irish-women-released-online-without-consent-39766849.html

    Seems little doubt that the images exist online.
    AGS say they examined 10k images.


  • #5748
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Both RTE and Virgin have gone female mad on their main news shows. Both outlets are well beyond majority female. It's funny that their form of equality is just flipping the previous dominance of men. Male dominance= sexist, female dominance= equality.

    Sure maybe they are just better and were hired on merit?

    Wasn't that the excuse given when it was male dominated?


  • #5749
    rightmove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭rightmove


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Both RTE and Virgin have gone female mad on their main news shows. Both outlets are well beyond majority female. .. Male dominance= sexist, female dominance= equality.

    along with the extra female sports commentators who really earned their spot:rolleyes:


  • #5750
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Boggles wrote: »
    Saorsat is not a "problem" it's a "solution".
    The same kind of "solution" thinking that destroyed British Satellite Broadcasting and left Sky dominate the UK satellite TV market,. It was the BBC mentality, much like the RTE mentality that was responsible. The BSB management, much like RTE, were disconnected from commercial reality. (Still have a Squarial around somewhere.) The Astra satellites/slot are the main satellites for the Irish market. Existing and cheap technology that people use. But RTE and whoever advised it made a mess of it.
    The vast majority of the country can receive Saorview DTT, Saorsat was put in place to the cater for the minority that couldn't.
    Almost like it was set up so RTE people could get RTE in their holiday homes in France. :)

    It encapsulates RTE's profligate culture. They pay no price for commercial failure. The licence payers and the tax payers pay.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5751
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jmcc wrote: »
    The same kind of "solution" thinking that destroyed British Satellite Broadcasting and left Sky dominate the UK satellite TV market,. It was the BBC mentality, much like the RTE mentality that was responsible. The BSB management, much like RTE, were disconnected from commercial reality. (Still have a Squarial around somewhere.) The Astra satellites/slot are the main satellites for the Irish market. Existing and cheap technology that people use. But RTE and whoever advised it made a mess of it.

    Almost like it was set up so RTE people could get RTE in their holiday homes in France. :)

    It encapsulates RTE's profligate culture. They pay no price for commercial failure. The licence payers and the tax payers pay.

    Regards...jmcc
    the footprint of saorsat doesn't reach anywhere near that France.
    I'd be surprised if there aren't more than a thousand homes consuming saorsat as it requires a different lnb and uses a different satellite at 9 degrees not Astra 28.2.


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  • #5752
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hate horse racing but this female was there on merit and RTE let her go.
    https://evoke.ie/2020/01/31/showbiz/tracy-piggott-rte


  • #5753
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmcc wrote: »
    The same kind of "solution" thinking that destroyed British Satellite Broadcasting and left Sky dominate the UK satellite TV market,.

    Nope.

    Most popular TV channels in the United Kingdom

    jmcc wrote: »
    Almost like it was set up so RTE people could get RTE in their holiday homes in France. :)

    Where do you think the Astra footprint beams to?


  • #5754
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Both RTE and Virgin have gone female mad on their main news shows. Both outlets are well beyond majority female. It's funny that their form of equality is just flipping the previous dominance of men. Male dominance= sexist, female dominance= equality.

    That's Irish feminism for you. There was never a shortage of upper class women on RTE. You would rarely hear any working class people from Dublin or people with regional accents on RTE outside sporting coverage or Love/Hate. And it's not much different now.

    I notice they have a fella with a Dublin accent doing Prime Time this year, stands out because they never do. Dee Forbes just wants people like her, it's become a womens channel for D4s.


  • #5755
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    That's Irish feminism for you. There was never a shortage of upper class women on RTE. You would rarely hear any working class people from Dublin or people with regional accents on RTE outside sporting coverage or Love/Hate. And it's not much different now.

    I notice they have a fella with a Dublin accent doing Prime Time this year, stands out because they never do. Dee Forbes just wants people like her, it's become a womens channel for D4s.

    Except she's a west Cork bogger even though she might not like to be reminded of it.


  • #5756
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    Seamai wrote: »
    Except she's a west Cork bogger even though she might not like to be reminded of it.

    The worst D4s are from the countryside, move to Dublin, ditch the accent ditch anything to do with where your from.

    And from what I hear West Cork is probably posh enough in parts anyway. Rachel Allen, Holly Cairns TD, Colette Browne etc. Not much of a Cork twang there! Funny enough they seem to be on RTE regularly too.


  • #5757
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Boggles wrote: »
    Nope.
    You really don't know about British Satellite Broadcasting and Sky? Not really that surprising. It happened in 1990.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Satellite_Broadcasting
    Most popular TV channels in the United Kingdom
    Perhaps you weren't paying attention to the satellite part of satellite TV.
    Where do you think the Astra footprint beams to?
    The Astra footprint doesn't beam anywhere. The footprint is an area covered by the satellite's transponders (the transmitters that transmit the signals). For the benefit of the public, it is generally shown in terms of the size of dish required for reception. The output of the transponders can be shaped for different geographical coverage. Sometimes, it is possible to pick up a usable signal from a satellite outside the centre of the footprint (where 60 cm dishes or smaller can be used) using a larger dish or better LNB (the block of electronics in front of the dish).

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5758
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jmcc wrote: »
    You really don't know about British Satellite Broadcasting and Sky? Not really that surprising. It happened in 1990.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Satellite_Broadcasting

    Perhaps you weren't paying attention to the satellite part of satellite TV.

    Unlike you, I know about satellite TV. The Astra footprint doesn't beam anywhere. The footprint is an area covered by the satellite's transponders (the transmitters that transmit the signals). For the benefit of the public, it is generally shown in terms of the size of dish required for reception. The output of the transponders can be shaped for different geographical coverage. Sometimes, it is possible to pick up a usable signal from a satellite outside the centre of the footprint (where 60 cm dishes or smaller can be used) using a larger dish or better LNB (the block of electronics in front of the dish).

    Regards...jmcc
    If you can pick up saorsat in France then you might just be the man that will find proof of intelligent life from signals coming from distant planets and SETI will be eternally grateful.


  • #5759
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you can pick up saorsat in France then you might just be the man that will find proof of intelligent life from signals coming from distant planets and SETI will be eternally grateful.
    Brest is probably just on the edge of that footprint. I think that finding signs of intelligent life in Dail Eireann might be more of a challenge. :)

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5760
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Seamai wrote: »
    Except she's a west Cork bogger even though she might not like to be reminded of it.

    Yeah but She knows Ted Turner!


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  • #5761
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I am going to say this in the anonymity of boards.ie and I have personally nothing against Ms. Forbes.

    When she was given the job of DG she was given a €50,000 moving costs. But from what I can gather she largely lived between London and West Cork, and from what I can gather now she largely lives in West Cork, not sure if she has a home in Dublin, but was not deserving of a €50,000 for moving. IMO.


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