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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #8342
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Eric Cartman wrote:
    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power

    The very fact that so many states certified meant any question as to the next POTUS was over. That is the reason the markets reacted as they did.


  • #8343
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    francois wrote: »
    I see you are "new" here

    Weird, eh?
    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    In that case...

    22 hours since a random new/dormant account post on this thread, I wonder has he too finally conceded.


  • #8344
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Weird, eh?

    Just a coincidence I'm sure.


  • #8345
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the classic , for 4 years we've been hearing how the economies success was all due to Obama but Joe Biden isn't even in office and he's responsible for a market uptick. got it...
    Who was VP under Obama under whom this strong economic cycle was built?

    Well done to Joe Biden on invigorating the stock market. Again.


  • #8346
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    If the left genuinely try to work together with republicans as they did under Obama, Republicans will still do the exact same next time out. They have made clear that they have no interest in working acrosd the aisle, and so anybody trying to do so with them is at this point a fool.

    In what way have they done that? I'm not sure I agree. There's a lot of people who vote republican, not all of them are the same.


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  • #8347
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm delighted Biden won but Trump got too many votes to be celebrating about it.
    There's four years of hard work ahead to try and bring a sizeable amount of the circa 73 million who voted for Trump back from the abyss.

    Unlike common European democracies, there isn't a real choice for voters in the US. You only can vote either left or right, no matter how far apart you are politically from the extremes. I'd say for an Irish point of view we would align more with the political views of the Democrats, given our "socialist" leaning to have a nationalised health care system as an example. But here that would be like voting for a party that includes Paul Murphy.

    Huge numbers of moderates won't vote for the other side because of some policies that are fundamental to that side. I suspect that Biden did better more than Bernie could have achieved in the swing states because of a more centrist appeal for those swing voters.

    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Why is that?

    I'm pretty sure, based on your comment, that you don't understand why Gore V. bush went to the supreme court.


  • #8348
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    In what way have they done that? I'm not sure I agree. There's a lot of people who vote republican, not all of them are the same.

    they are referring to the republicans in congress. Hence "across the aisle"


  • #8349
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power
    Do you credit Trump with the $1 Trillion deficit in 2019?


  • #8350
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    My politics would generally be to the right of centre and I'm ****ing loving it!! I despise the man and I am so glad he lost.

    Similar to Biden and Clinton (William Jefferson that is) and Obama then


  • #8351
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Oh my god this will be very entertaining! Probably will be held here:

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    I really hope they turn up in South Dakota

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  • #8352
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Similar to Biden and Clinton (William Jefferson that is) and Obama then

    That's the funny thing, modern democrats aren't only to the right of their European counterparts, they are to the right of pre 1980s democrats too. The 'new democrat' movement was a very specific and intentional shift to the right and towards corporate interests because baby boomers simply refused to entertain any alternatives to the same things they contain about endlessly today.

    This is a shining example of a democracy getting the governance it deserves, and should be reminded to those who have been of voting age through the last 40 years.


  • #8353
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,048 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Press conference/hearing/debacle cancelled I'm afraid folks

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8354
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Press conference/hearing/debacle cancelled I'm afraid folks

    Such a shame. That's this evening's entertainment gone to pot

    The change in plans came after Boris Epshteyn, an adviser to the Trump campaign, revealed he tested positive for COVID-19. Epshteyn attended a press conference at the Republican National Committee last week alongside Giuliani, and participated in a radio interview with the former mayor Sunday.

    It's not remotely surprising any more
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-giuliani-gettysburg-pennsylvania-hearing-election-issues-alleged-irregularities-live-stream-today-2020-11-25/


  • #8355
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Biden will have to have the White House fumigated from top to bottom before going in there. It's a major disease hotzone.


  • #8356
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Biden will have to have the White House fumigated from top to bottom before going in there. It's a major disease hotzone.

    the presidential chair will have to be burned but not for covid reasons


  • #8357
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Why is that?

    The case in PA that they brought to try to in validate the mail in votes was dismissed with prejudice. That's the end of that - you can't take a dismissed with prejudice case forward for appeal. It's basically the courts way of saying "please fook off with this load of bollix and if you ever come back with it again you will be in serious shit".


  • #8358
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The case in PA that they brought to try to in validate the mail in votes was dismissed with prejudice. That's the end of that - you can't take a dismissed with prejudice case forward for appeal. It's basically the courts way of saying "please fook off with this load of bollix and if you ever come back with it again you will be in serious shit".

    well not quite. they can appeal the decision but if they win the appeal they will just be sent back to the lower court to argue their case again. if the case has not dramatically strengthened in the meantime they will fail again.


  • #8359
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,719 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm delighted Biden won but Trump got too many votes to be celebrating about it.
    There's four years of hard work ahead to try and bring a sizeable amount of the circa 73 million who voted for Trump back from the abyss.

    Again, I'll make this point.

    A large portion of that 70 odd million DIDN'T vote for Trump. They voted for the Republican Party and it wouldn't have mattered who that party had used as their ticket, they would have voted for them anyway.

    There are millions of Americans who held their noses and put an X beside Trump's name simply because they have always voted Rep in elections. There are many who think he's an insufferable arsehole, but their primary concern is simply keeping a Democrat out of the Whitehouse.

    This is the reality of US politics and the Democrats are never going to win them over anyway.

    As for the die hard Trump cultists, they are a firm minority of the American voting public. MAGA hat wearing imbeciles who are incapable understanding the con that was perpetrated on them and who are more besotted by personality (even an abrasive one) than they are about actual policy.

    There may be a number of floating voters to poach, but I doubt that the Dems will put too much effort into trying to get them onside. But that depends on what the Republican Party do over the next 4 years and they have an uphill struggle, that's for sure. Trump may take a few million of the more idiotic Republican voters with him, if he decides to form his own Gibberish Party. So, as it stands at the moment, I think it's the Republicans who need to be thinking about winning back Trump voters and not the Democrats, who'll never appeal to them.


  • #8360
    Fuzzyduzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Fuzzyduzzy


    https://m.theepochtimes.com/judge-blocks-certification-of-pennsylvania-election-results_3593327.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Pennsylvania judge blocks state from certifying election results in presidential and all other races.

    Doubt it'll make the 6.01 news on RTE


  • #8361
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »
    https://m.theepochtimes.com/judge-blocks-certification-of-pennsylvania-election-results_3593327.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Pennsylvania judge blocks state from certifying election results in presidential and all other races.

    Doubt it'll make the 6.01 news on RTE

    The presidential election was certified yesterday.


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  • #8362
    drogon.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭drogon.


    Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »
    https://m.theepochtimes.com/judge-blocks-certification-of-pennsylvania-election-results_3593327.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Pennsylvania judge blocks state from certifying election results in presidential and all other races.

    Doubt it'll make the 6.01 news on RTE

    But Pennsylvania already certified the results yesterday though!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-certifies-election-results-biden-trump-legal-challenges


  • #8363
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Rudy is talking at this shitshow in Pennsylvania.


  • #8364
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Again, I'll make this point.

    A large portion of that 70 odd million DIDN'T vote for Trump. They voted for the Republican Party and it wouldn't have mattered who that party had used as their ticket, they would have voted for them anyway.

    There are millions of Americans who held their noses and put an X beside Trump's name simply because they have always voted Rep in elections. There are many who think he's an insufferable arsehole, but their primary concern is simply keeping a Democrat out of the Whitehouse.

    This is the reality of US politics and the Democrats are never going to win them over anyway.

    As for the die hard Trump cultists, they are a firm minority of the American voting public. MAGA hat wearing imbeciles who are incapable understanding the con that was perpetrated on them and who are more besotted by personality (even an abrasive one) than they are about actual policy.

    There may be a number of floating voters to poach, but I doubt that the Dems will put too much effort into trying to get them onside. But that depends on what the Republican Party do over the next 4 years and they have an uphill struggle, that's for sure. Trump may take a few million of the more idiotic Republican voters with him, if he decides to form his own Gibberish Party. So, as it stands at the moment, I think it's the Republicans who need to be thinking about winning back Trump voters and not the Democrats, who'll never appeal to them.

    I can vouch for this. Have a good few American friends including a few GOP fans, who voted Trump only because they didn't want to vote Democrat.


  • #8365
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    jimmycrackcorm wrote:
    You only can vote either left or right, no matter how far apart you are politically from the extremes.
    You can vote right or right of centre. There's no left.


  • #8366
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The Epoch Times.

    Fúcking hell.

    :pac:


  • #8367
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    In what way have they done that? I'm not sure I agree. There's a lot of people who vote republican, not all of them are the same.
    The Obama presidency and them actively blocking every bill going, there you go.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the presidential chair will have to be burned but not for covid reasons
    Plus the mattresses....
    Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »
    https://m.theepochtimes.com/judge-blocks-certification-of-pennsylvania-election-results_3593327.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Pennsylvania judge blocks state from certifying election results in presidential and all other races.

    Doubt it'll make the 6.01 news on RTE
    I know it's already been pointed out that the above piece is nonsense. But it must also be pointed out, the level of nonsense linked to his incredible. Here's an idea of the publication's background.
    The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[20] and promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and backs President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[21] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[18][22][23] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[18][24][25] The organization frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company, Shen Yun.[14][21]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times


  • #8368
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »
    https://m.theepochtimes.com/judge-blocks-certification-of-pennsylvania-election-results_3593327.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Pennsylvania judge blocks state from certifying election results in presidential and all other races.

    Doubt it'll make the 6.01 news on RTE

    Lol not only are you using an epoch times article but its easily proved as absolute garbage..... Next


  • #8369
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Similar to Biden and Clinton (William Jefferson that is) and Obama then

    Absolutely. If I lived in the US, I would most likely vote Democrat. In the last 20 odd years, I definitely would have.


  • #8370
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Lol not only are you using an epoch times article but its easily proved as absolute garbage..... Next

    this is the judgement the epoch times are referring to. their summary seems reasonable. as to what steps in the certification process are still outstanding I couldn't tell you.

    https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/kelly-order.pdf


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  • #8371
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,030 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The thing is is that Rudy and the boys are great at talking smack in their extra-judicial press conferences and hearings, but when it actually goes to court it's just.... womp womp womp.

    And the obvious tactic is to de-emphasise the situations as much as possible where is actual jeopardy and consequences to what they're saying, and put on these shows for the usual propaganda outlets to run with. Nice.


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