COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Micky 32 · 25-11-2020 12:02AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thomas Ryan on virgin media banging on that we'll have no vaccine available until Q4 2021, he absolutely loves this nonsense, continually trying to push zero covid.

I really do find it hard to believe these lads believe what they preach, when other countries are expecting to start rollout very early in new year we've this lad on TV telling people nope another 9 months.

No wonder the country is so divided, the sooner he's out of the media spotlight the better

With all the recent progress of the vaccines i find it hard to believe it would be Q4.

Deeper Blue · 25-11-2020 12:03AM

So the UK are planning to vaccinate their entire population by April yet we won't get access to any vaccines until October?

Does Ryan even think about how stupid he's going to sound when he comes out with that nonsense?

Le Bruise · 25-11-2020 12:17AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Is Hmmsis a virologist or something?

What are his medical qualifications?

He answers and gets asked alot of questions here

No idea as to what their ‘qualifications’ are, but they seem to know what they are talking about, and post in a way that is understandable to the layperson. Their input is very much appreciated!

Hmmzis · 25-11-2020 12:48AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Is Hmmsis a virologist or something?

What are his medical qualifications?

He answers and gets asked alot of questions here

Not a virologist and not a medic. I have questions myself, a lot of questions, so I read a lot to try and find the answers, if there are any. Free access journals are a great help with that.

That said, molecular biology is something I'd like to get a degree in. It's an incredibly fascinating field.

Hmmzis · 25-11-2020 10:36AM

Very good article in Nature about the puzzling results from the AZ/Oxford phase 3 readout:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03326-w

Interesting that this effect of low/high dosing has been observed in mice before. I think everyone is itching to get their hands on the full data set now. It could well turn out be a statistical anomaly at the end, but if it isn't it could well be one of the luckiest accidental results of recent times.

Gael23 · 25-11-2020 10:59AM

Hmmzis wrote: »

Not a virologist and not a medic. I have questions myself, a lot of questions, so I read a lot to try and find the answers, if there are any. Free access journals are a great help with that.

That said, molecular biology is something I'd like to get a degree in. It's an incredibly fascinating field.

Always assumed you were a doctor or scientist

eigrod · 25-11-2020 11:01AM

Hmmzis wrote: »

Very good article in Nature about the puzzling results from the AZ/Oxford phase 3 readout:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03326-w

Interesting that this effect of low/high dosing has been observed in mice before. I think everyone is itching to get their hands on the full data set now. It could well turn out be a statistical anomaly at the end, but if it isn't it could well be one of the luckiest accidental results of recent times.

Wasn’t antibiotic discovered by accident too?

Hmmzis · 25-11-2020 11:11AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Always assumed you were a doctor or scientist

What made you rule out the scientist part? Just wondering how you made that conclusion with the limited information provided?

PopePalpatine · 25-11-2020 11:18AM

eigrod wrote: »

Wasn’t antibiotic discovered by accident too?

Yep. IIRC, a bacteria sample got contaminated with the Penicillium mould sample.

begbysback · 25-11-2020 11:30AM

I’m a doctor, De begby at your service, any prescriptions or prognosis required then just hola.

funnydoggy · 25-11-2020 01:35PM

When is the taskforce meeting again, this week?

Would love an update. Other countries seem to raring to go.

opinionated3 · 25-11-2020 01:37PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

When is the taskforce meeting again, this week?

Would love an update. Other countries seem to raring to go.

Totally agree. It's like we've been hypnotised by talk of not passing gravy boats, don't go to a wet pub etc that we've lost sight of the massive distribution project that's ahead of us.....

DSN · 25-11-2020 01:47PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Totally agree. It's like we've been hypnotised by talk of not passing gravy boats, don't go to a wet pub etc that we've lost sight of the massive distribution project that's ahead of us.....

Boris has a massive PR machine behind him & def the message loud & clear there is you'll have a vaccine in x weeks & that Big Boris will lead his people out of the pandemic in Q1. My in laws over there are SO excited almost booking in with their GP already. I really hope it comes true!!! But its very different over here & I hope its just a messaging difference not that we will have to wait a lot longer.

Deeper Blue · 25-11-2020 02:14PM

DSN wrote: »

Boris has a massive PR machine behind him & def the message loud & clear there is you'll have a vaccine in x weeks & that Big Boris will lead his people out of the pandemic in Q1. My in laws over there are SO excited almost booking in with their GP already. I really hope it comes true!!! But its very different over here & I hope its just a messaging difference not that we will have to wait a lot longer.

This is exactly what our government should do

It'd probably impact the worry index though so it'll never happen

funnydoggy · 25-11-2020 02:15PM

Didn't our govt. hire a PR company a while back? :pac:

Sky King · 25-11-2020 02:24PM

DSN wrote: »

But its very different over here & I hope its just a messaging difference not that we will have to wait a lot longer.

Yes hopefully. Given the out and out lies they all spouted about brexit i wouldn't believe a word of it.

Ashleigh1986 · 25-11-2020 02:40PM

What are all these professors and doctors that are hogging the limelight going to do in 2021 when all this ends ???
Strictly come dancing or I'm a celebrity get me out of here, like the rest of the z listers to keep their names in the media !!!!
Ryan suggesting we should move Christmas to the end of January should do stand up comedy .

Bursanc · 25-11-2020 02:43PM

Interesting to see Ford have purchased extra-cold storage freezers for the Pfizer vaccine for their employees. I wonder if other big corporations are thinking the same thing, I'd say they are.

Hopefully it's only when we're at the stage of vaccinating the general non-vulnerable population that companies will be able purchase vaccines, which should speed up distribution if there's enough supply.

But if there's not enough supply, people won't be happy.

brisan · 25-11-2020 02:54PM

DSN wrote: »

Boris has a massive PR machine behind him & def the message loud & clear there is you'll have a vaccine in x weeks & that Big Boris will lead his people out of the pandemic in Q1. My in laws over there are SO excited almost booking in with their GP already. I really hope it comes true!!! But its very different over here & I hope its just a messaging difference not that we will have to wait a lot longer.

Only problem for NPHET will be how to have lockdowns and close pubs if everybody is vaccinated
I would lay odds that it will be Q4 before we are fully vaccinated

brisan · 25-11-2020 02:57PM

Bursanc wrote: »

Interesting to see Ford have purchased extra-cold storage freezers for the Pfizer vaccine for their employees. I wonder if other big corporations are thinking the same thing, I'd say they are.

Hopefully it's only when we're at the stage of vaccinating the general non-vulnerable population that companies will be able purchase vaccines, which should speed up distribution if there's enough supply.

But if there's not enough supply, people won't be happy.

From what I have read and seen on TV no private companies will have access to vaccines till ALL those in the general population who want to be vaccinated have been
At that stage private companies would have no need to purchase vaccines ,unless they make it a condition of employment that you must be vaccinated

Bursanc · 25-11-2020 03:08PM

brisan wrote: »

From what I have read and seen on TV no private companies will have access to vaccines till ALL those in the general population who want to be vaccinated have been
At that stage private companies would have no need to purchase vaccines ,unless they make it a condition of employment that you must be vaccinated

Yeah that's what I heard too, but I suppose if by the time they're vaccinating the general population and they're manufacturing vaccines quicker than they can distribute them, maybe then they'll give the option to purchase a vaccine privately.

Mitch Connor · 25-11-2020 03:11PM

brisan wrote: »

From what I have read and seen on TV no private companies will have access to vaccines till ALL those in the general population who want to be vaccinated have been
At that stage private companies would have no need to purchase vaccines ,unless they make it a condition of employment that you must be vaccinated

depending on the size of a company it could be a very good way of distributing the vaccine.

I worked for a company that in one location had over 10k employees - they had their own on site doctors (as well as various other things) - so it does seem like a good idea that they could work with government as a vaccination centre for their own employees (and maybe immediate family?).

I dare say Ford has locations with similar numbers.

brisan · 25-11-2020 03:16PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

depending on the size of a company it could be a very good way of distributing the vaccine.

I worked for a company that in one location had over 10k employees - they had their own on site doctors (as well as various other things) - so it does seem like a good idea that they could work with government as a vaccination centre for their own employees (and maybe immediate family?).

I dare say Ford has locations with similar numbers.

I work for a MNC ( not tech ) and we have 400 employees here in a small production facility
We have our own medical staff with 2 nurses and a doctor .
Only problem with them buying vaccines is that the non vulnerable would get it at the same time as the vulnerable in the workplace
Therefore some vulnerable people in the general population will miss out
i would say it will be next year before private companies get vaccines

leahyl · 25-11-2020 03:40PM

Is there going to be a longer wait in Ireland to get the vaccine? I don't understand why we haven't heard about a solid plan for vaccinating yet? I was really hopeful that we would be back to normality more or less by May at the latest.....you have the UK and the US saying how they'll have everyone vaccinated by April....but we haven't heard anything here....it's just worrying

I really don't think I can do anymore than 3 or 4 months!!

ixoy · 25-11-2020 03:56PM

leahyl wrote: »

Is there going to be a longer wait in Ireland to get the vaccine? I don't understand why we haven't heard about a solid plan for vaccinating yet? I was really hopeful that we would be back to normality more or less by May at the latest.....you have the UK and the US saying how they'll have everyone vaccinated by April....but we haven't heard anything here....it's just worrying I really don't think I can do anymore than 3 or 4 months!!

We'll "hopefully" hear their plans by Dec 10th/11th. The HSE have a crap track record but they'll hopefully be kept in line as they're being overseen by people from outside.

noserider · 25-11-2020 04:05PM

ixoy wrote: »

We'll "hopefully" hear their plans by Dec 10th/11th. The HSE have a crap track record but they'll hopefully be kept in line as they're being overseen by people from outside.

I have no faith in the HSE to roll out a vaccine without some delay followed by an excuse.
What’s stopping me flying to UK and getting vaccinated there?

Necro · 25-11-2020 05:06PM

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25-11-2020 05:19PM

noserider wrote: »

I have no faith in the HSE to roll out a vaccine without some delay followed by an excuse.
What’s stopping me flying to UK and getting vaccinated there?

The infrastructure for vaccine rollout is already there. When my wife went for a test in October she commented that the setup was perfect for Vaccine roll out.

I am also sure the NHS in the UK would not look kindly on vaccine tourism and will prioritise to residents

tobefrank321 · 25-11-2020 05:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The infrastructure for vaccine rollout is already there. When my wife went for a test in October she commented that the setup was perfect for Vaccine roll out.

I am also sure the NHS in the UK would not look kindly on vaccine tourism and will prioritise to residents

Depends on the vaccine. I don't believe Moderna is part of EU agreements although I'm open to be corrected on that.

Oxford AZ might be delayed, it seems to be a few weeks behind the others.

So its highly likely the Pfizer vaccine will be the first one available in Ireland probably starting in January. It sounds like there might be a degree of training required different to a normal vaccine. The last thing we need are batches ruined by poor temperature controls and also you need to mix it with other liquids as opposed to traditional vaccines. There's enough variables there to make you question whether the HSE are up to it and not screw it up as is their habit.

stephenjmcd · 25-11-2020 06:01PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Depends on the vaccine. I don't believe Moderna is part of EU agreements although I'm open to be corrected on that.

Oxford AZ might be delayed, it seems to be a few weeks behind the others.

So its highly likely the Pfizer vaccine will be the first one available in Ireland probably starting in January. It sounds like there might be a degree of training required different to a normal vaccine. The last thing we need are batches ruined by poor temperature controls and also you need to mix it with other liquids as opposed to traditional vaccines. There's enough variables there to make you question whether the HSE are up to it and not screw it up as is their habit.

Moderna is indeed included in EU arrangements. Deal was done months ago and formally signed yesterday

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_20_2199

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